Agreed. Very very bad
How Microsoft plans to make Xbox great again [The Verge]
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Agreed. Very very bad
If we tally it up bungie has made 5 halo games 343 has made 2.
we'll give bungie 3/5 since some people don't like reach and most people complain about halo 2's ending.
If and a Big ass If we go off of Gaf 343 has a 0/2 If we go off of haloGaf or people who
actually know the story they might give them a 1/2 It's up to you weather it's halo 4 or 5.
I say lets let them make 5 games and then we look back and see.
and that whole 4 hours on normal stuff (pretty much all of them halo's can be done at that speed or that childish ass difficulty)
Id take any Bungie halo campaign over 4 or 5. ESPECIALLY 5.
Really? Why? Locke has zero personality. His script is horribly bad. If I here double time Osiris one more time I will puke. The gameplay is straight as an arrow with no really large moments. Nothing ever felt epic besides cut scenes. I did like the master chief segments but even that was nonsensical plot wise.
Funny, 5 has my favorite campaign since the original Halo.
The fact that I get to see actual Spartans show off of their abilities in 4 and especially 5 makes them so much more interesting. Plus 343 embracing the lore is the best thing to happen to the series.
More Fun To Compute
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Is this greatness going to happen before or after the year of the PS3?
That was actually a bit hard to read. A puff piece through and through. The fact it doesn't even mention the DRM scandal is a worrying attempt of misdirection and rewriting history.
And Xbox doesn't even need this. I've seen a turnaround in opinion on them here and anecdotally with all the corrective moves they've done since Mattrick sailed away. It's quite the achievement (lol) after the dire position they were at in 2013. It's seemingly selling well (in USUK at least) and appears to be making money with a good amount of games on the docket. It could of turned out like Wii U but it so kudos to the team. They've certainly lost this generation though, that's the cost of the weaker koolaid led design of the xbone hardware sadly. If they keep putting out interesting games though and release a slim version then I might get one cheap in the latter half of the gen.
And Xbox doesn't even need this. I've seen a turnaround in opinion on them here and anecdotally with all the corrective moves they've done since Mattrick sailed away. It's quite the achievement (lol) after the dire position they were at in 2013. It's seemingly selling well (in USUK at least) and appears to be making money with a good amount of games on the docket. It could of turned out like Wii U but it so kudos to the team. They've certainly lost this generation though, that's the cost of the weaker koolaid led design of the xbone hardware sadly. If they keep putting out interesting games though and release a slim version then I might get one cheap in the latter half of the gen.
Trump 2016 & Hitler 1932
Anyway, Xbox IS great. However, it is not as desirable as the PS4. They probably mean from a business stand-point. Xbox really needs new IPs.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Halo 4 is my second favorite campaign (and it's very close), and if it weren't for its narrative issues Halo 5 would be up near the top for me as well.
Chuckwagon
Banned
Halo 5 is has my favorite since Halo 3. Halo CE would be #1, but fuck the library. Fuck it to hell.
i want to post this again and again and again:
most xbox fans simply bought the system despite the shit about neccessary kinect.
ms and sony had similar plans about the cam, sony waited until the masses loaded their shitdrops on ms so the kicked the ps-cam out of their systems environment.
you clearly see that the controller was clearly built with the ps cam in mind. the ds4-light is clearly the evolved ps move.
sony literally kicked out the cam in the last minute and didnt tank at all unlike ms.
ms tried some innovation with the new kinect cam, sadly it didnt turn out well.
now we see another go with the ps cam:
it seems to be neccessary if you want to use ps VR. there are built-in sensors, but i have seen a couple of screenshots where the ps cam enhances the tracking of the movements.
hope this will help bringing back the cam into the game, literally.
right now, ms does a good job:
a better controller, the environment of xbl works flawless(unlike) psn.
but both systems lack games.
i want cuphead, i want recore and quantum break. all other games are accessible on all other platforms.
its not the fans who felt betrayed, its mostly people who were never initially interested who pretty much wrote shit all over the internet about the xbox.
most xbox fans simply bought the system despite the shit about neccessary kinect.
ms and sony had similar plans about the cam, sony waited until the masses loaded their shitdrops on ms so the kicked the ps-cam out of their systems environment.
you clearly see that the controller was clearly built with the ps cam in mind. the ds4-light is clearly the evolved ps move.
sony literally kicked out the cam in the last minute and didnt tank at all unlike ms.
ms tried some innovation with the new kinect cam, sadly it didnt turn out well.
now we see another go with the ps cam:
it seems to be neccessary if you want to use ps VR. there are built-in sensors, but i have seen a couple of screenshots where the ps cam enhances the tracking of the movements.
hope this will help bringing back the cam into the game, literally.
right now, ms does a good job:
a better controller, the environment of xbl works flawless(unlike) psn.
but both systems lack games.
i want cuphead, i want recore and quantum break. all other games are accessible on all other platforms.
The teams were great to finally see together, the standard abilities that made it faster, and the large levels. I've played through the campaign twice now, tackling things differently thanks to the bigger levels that offer so many options, and I'm already thinking about my next play through. It also helps that I think it has the best art of the series, it's rendered beautifully, and it's silky smooth in fps.
Nothing felt epic? Okay, we'll just have to disagree there.
The first time I saw a Guardian emerging while I had to run to a warthog and ride it back to the mining base gave me a rush. Seeing that Kraken for the first time and then taking it down. Running down the side of a Guardian was awesome. Seeing all of the Guardians gathered at the Domain, knowing Cortana wiped out millions of lives in the process. Having Cortana declare that she intended to uphold the Mantle. Exuberant taking the Cryptum with Blue Team in it from Cortana at the last moment. I've seen these things twice now and it still feels fresh to me.
I also really dig the setup with Halsey, Cortana, and Chief. Halsey did a horrific thing to create the Spartans, but she defends it for the greater good of humanity's fight against the Covenant, and now Cortana, who was flashed from Halsey's brain, is doing it on a galactic scale, thinking of the greater good across tens of thousands of years, the way only an AI is capable of.
I also really dig the setup with Halsey, Cortana, and Chief. Halsey did a horrific thing to create the Spartans, but she defends it for the greater good of humanity's fight against the Covenant, and now Cortana, who was flashed from Halsey's brain, is doing it on a galactic scale, thinking of the greater good across tens of thousands of years, the way only an AI is capable of.
It just clicked with me to the point that I'm now more interested in the series than ever and I'm very excited to see how they close this trilogy.
The story draws some parallels to when Mendicant Bias, the Forerunner AI that was assigned to coordinate all Forerunner defenses against the flood, defected to the Flood, convinced by Gravemind that life had become stagnant and it must be reset. It came to the realization that the enforced peace that the Forerunners were imposing didn't allow for life to evolve, so it turned on all of the Forerunners.
Humanity isn't going to let Cortana enforce peace, but she's got an arsenal capable of wiping out life from the entire galaxy if that's what it takes. Humanity has to go up against her and powerful Forerunner technology, probably resulting in the destruction of a lot of the things we've been learning about the last 15 years.
Humanity isn't going to let Cortana enforce peace, but she's got an arsenal capable of wiping out life from the entire galaxy if that's what it takes. Humanity has to go up against her and powerful Forerunner technology, probably resulting in the destruction of a lot of the things we've been learning about the last 15 years.
Outrun
Member
Agreed.
They just had an amazing November and yet we still have this Ricky Bobby "If you are not first, you're last" BS...
poodaddy
Member
I'm mad late in this response, but this is my sentiment exactly. I'm torn as to whether it would help though; I still think Sunset Overdrive and Killer Instinct are the best games on Xbox one and they're also exclusive, but Sunset didn't sell what it deserved to so I think at the end of the day we can't really say it's Microsoft's fault at this point as they really are trying it seems, but gamers just don't speak with their wallets when they're presented with that colorful, inventive game that they claimed to of been wanting. I will say that Microsoft's backwards compatibility beats the shit out of Sony's money grubbing PS2 classics bullshit on PS4; at least I still own those digital games and can play them on my Xbone whereas Sony wants me to buy Twisted Metal Black a third time.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
If ms want to success with the xbox one do like the 360. New ip's and powerful hardware. The powerful hardware is not equal to xbox one and that's the very big problem they have in this generation.No matter what they do, the new ip's they make,nothing.Every multiplatform game in the ps4 is better technical due to the more powerful hardware and works better. This is the big problem.
You have the multiplatforms games in the ps4 with better resolution and better fps than the xbox one,so you think the people who are not a fanatic of a console paying for a inferior hardware?No.
Launch the next xbox sooner than later and better be a really powerful console to erase the memories of the xbox one.
The xbox was a beast of his generation,the xbox 360 was a great machine equal to the ps3 more or less but the xbox one is the black sheep of ms and of this generation.
It's my opinion of course and for me the weaker hardware of the xbox one vs ps4 is the main problem and not the games.
You have the multiplatforms games in the ps4 with better resolution and better fps than the xbox one,so you think the people who are not a fanatic of a console paying for a inferior hardware?No.
Launch the next xbox sooner than later and better be a really powerful console to erase the memories of the xbox one.
The xbox was a beast of his generation,the xbox 360 was a great machine equal to the ps3 more or less but the xbox one is the black sheep of ms and of this generation.
It's my opinion of course and for me the weaker hardware of the xbox one vs ps4 is the main problem and not the games.
Monocle
Member
I think the key is to set up internment camps for all indie developers until we can figure out what the hell's going on in the industry.
We also need to track down indie developers' families and force them to play Xbox and purchase lifetime XBL subscriptions.
This is a console war. We can't afford to play nice. The gloves have to come off if we're going to make Xbox great again.
We also need to track down indie developers' families and force them to play Xbox and purchase lifetime XBL subscriptions.
This is a console war. We can't afford to play nice. The gloves have to come off if we're going to make Xbox great again.
Steverulez
Member
Keep making games in franchise I love - Gears, Halo, State of Decay, Crackdown and keep getting me interesting new IPs and building them into franchises with good developers (Quantum Break, Scalebound, Recore, Sea of Thieves) and we'll be all good Xbox.
Their current path might not win them many NPDs and sales charts comparisons but as long as the system is ticking along and they are making the right decisions I will be a happy Xbox owner at least.
Feel free to stick the games on PC if necessary too
Their current path might not win them many NPDs and sales charts comparisons but as long as the system is ticking along and they are making the right decisions I will be a happy Xbox owner at least.
Feel free to stick the games on PC if necessary too
Abinash117
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I personally think that the Xbox one will be in the distant 2nd for a long time. Microsoft really did turn their image around, but I don't think that is enough for it to catch up. The ps4 is the ps2 or the Xbox 360 in the US; overcoming that image that the PS4 built up is going to be hard I would image. I don't think having good exclusives is going to help in a partial sense. Obviously the Xbox one is not the Wii U, but it demonstrates you need much more than really good games for a console to sell a lot. I think they are on the right track of differentiating themselves from the PS4 with the cloud computing, universal apps, PC to xbox streaming ect. The Xbox should provided more of that and that is also relevant to gamers in general( causal, core, etc) especially in their exclusive games like what Crackdown 3 is doing. Traditional AAA game mechanics need to have some freshness to them.
Still I don't know that will help them catch up, including some other things.
Still I don't know that will help them catch up, including some other things.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Amen.
The problem is like I said in the PS4 thread. Until MS start thinking about more about then just the US they will always lose out to Sony.
Steverulez
Member
I would have said games like Quantum Break, Scalebound and Sea of Thieves are exactly that sort of game, I think, I don't see them doing gangbusters in the US. Plus we're yet to see more of what Recore is, which could very well fit that sort of game too. I've no idea if Crackdown is a big US sort of franchise either?
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Because the Chief had that in spades...
It's not just about the games, it's about how they come across as well. MS comes across as only having thought about their customers in the US. The tiered release system needs to be the first thing to go. Nothing pisses people of more then waiting and accepting they aren't seen as important as other countries.
Monocle
Member
Halo 4? Yes. Halo 5? Hell no, it's great.
11/10
All about opinions.... but it really isn't!
AtomnayaKlubnika
Member
Is the Kinect dead? It had great potential, it just needed well designed game to go with it.
GHG
Member
Not that this is suprising coming from a company also known for its "Embrace, Extend and Estinguish" strategy, but in my opinion that quote summarizes very well all what's wrong with Microsoft: instead of nurturing its first-party studios, also allowing them to take some risks and try developing new IP/ideas just like Nintendo or Sony do, they just throw around big bags of cash to external developers, hoping that sooner or later something sticks on the wall and a hugely successful new IP comes from there.
This way risks for MS are very low and when that new IP bombs they immediately can ditch that external developer and move on to the next. All of this while MS first-party studios are forced to keep pushing out sequels and more sequels to their known few big IPs.
What a shame.
Seems like PS4 has officially turned into the underdog console in 2015.
Lol, thats good!
Lol, thats good!
Memorabilia
Member
Sony and MS have both demonstrated they are much better when in second place.
Best part reading this thread is the requisite hyperbole by a few people saying how Xbone is "beyond saving". Lol Sheesh.
Best part reading this thread is the requisite hyperbole by a few people saying how Xbone is "beyond saving". Lol Sheesh.
Memorabilia
Member
I've got (2) Kinect 2.0's nestled in their Day 1 launch boxes. Will consider trade for a bag of chips and a Star Wars snuggy.
Seriously though, after trying one out for a couple weeks I figured out pretty quick that based on how I prefer to use my consoles there's literally zero reason for me to use it. From a market standpoint, Kinect seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Microsoft has a habit of forcing things on consumers they don't want, which generally doesn't end well. It feels like the Xbox division has turned a corner w/ Phil though.Krystopher McConnor
Banned
Okay so with Halo 4 343i messed up, and guess what, they made it up with Halo 5, and them some. The mechanics, story, warzone, how can anyway say Halo 5 is a bad game. It's a great game
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Bits N Pieces
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Agree with all of this.
I've said it a few times now but its going to be interesting to see how MS react to the market. They ain't going to be beating Sony in NA or the RotW anytime soon so how is this going to impact game development?
There are some established heavy hitters coming next year along with some returning loved franchises and new IP's. If they can carry this on for the next 3/4 years then yeah, they ain't going to be beating Sony in any sales competitions but it will hopefully pave the way for the NextBox to come out firing on all cylinders rather than firefighting poor messaging and decisions.
We did not target high end specifications with the Xbox One.
I mean what the actual fuck
Fox Mulder
Member
It is great. I've been a Xbox fan since the first one and I'm okay with it as long as they provide compelling exclusives. Forza is getting stale to me, and I've given up on halo though.
I did get a ps4 on black Friday and already switched to buying third party multiplatform games on it. I still immediately noticed how the ps4 doesn't let you hook up an external drive and doesn't pause a game when your controller dies. MS nails the little things like that which go unnoticed I guess.
The fuck does Trump have to do with Xbox? Is it a hobby to shit on anything Xbox related? I know this is bait, but it's in poor taste.
OT - X1 is doing far better than anyone could have anticipated given its catastrophe level launch, that being said critiquing the PS4 for stagnating is wrong, Sony just did everything right so they had little need to push as hard as MS did. Both cracking consoles imo.
JailDesigner
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We have an answer here
It is, and the machine's offerings is top notch. It's release has corrupted its image and they will not be able to remove that mark no matter how hard they try. MS should continue on thier current trajectory, they're building alot of good will with their fans, x1 is selling well the same markets that favoured 360 and be hopeful that will transition into next gen with enthusiasm rather than disdain.
I really don't know what else they could do to improve apart from the obvious like more Japanese games or variety .
Impeccable
Member
Thread title made me think of Donald Trump.
Microsoft just needs to ride the new IP train it's been the same rotation for like a decade.
Microsoft just needs to ride the new IP train it's been the same rotation for like a decade.
Catering to outside the US requires more than just games but some of those are out of the xbox divisions hand. Where's the Microsoft retail stores? Where's the price cuts outside US? Where's all these good deals like TV+Xbox for $500 outside US? Where's the advertising in EU? Or better yet, fix the damn language locking to region issue on xbox.
Look at a Forza, that's a EU centric game and yet outside of the UK adverts were practically non existent. How are people supposed to know which games Xbox has when they barely even advertise them? Making games for EU countries doesn't matter if those countries don't even know the games exist.
Phil seems to be doing more for non US countries like their big Gamescom this year, but it extends beyond just simply releasing games if they want to win brand loyalty there. It's not a €60 game they're trying to sell, it's a €500 console and a game or two simply won't cut it for most people.
Halo 5 needed a better narrative IMHO, you can clearly see how they cut their original idea (
) and didn't succeed in making it memorable (unlike Halo 2, which was cut but, except for the cliffhanger ending, was a damn great campaign). I really liked the
bossfights, and I don't agree that they're repetitive.
Halo 4 had much better narrative than Halo 3 but missed the epic and memorable set pieces like the
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About Xbox One: I don't know how it was at launch since I only bought it 2 and half months ago, but I use it daily and think it's a solid choice for any gamer. The UI was clunky before the NXOE update (and something could be better: they need to add a "Redeem code" button in the snap menu), install times are too long, but if you can go over those issues the games are really good. They're trying to diversiry their games (they already financed Titanfall, Ori and Sunset Overdrive, and are going to publish Recore, Quantum Break and Scalebound next year) but I don't think they should move away from the Gears, Halo, Forza trio. They're the best online tps, fps and racing you can find on the market and I want them to release one every 2-3 years. I wouldn't care if they moved to new IPs if they're not going to be as good as the old ones. That's why Nintendo keeps doing Mario and Zelda instead of <insert bad Nintendo games here> and Sony keeps doing GT and Uncharted instead of <insert bad Sony games here>.
What I was disappointed with is that it feels much different from the Xbox 360 I bought almost 6 years ago. That was a console that could do a lot of things, Xbox One feels like a box that can do (almost) everything and occasionally games. I have the same feeling whenever I turn on my PS3, and that's one of the reasons I don't trust Sony (others are too many PSN maintenances, progressively worse PS3+ choices and cut features SKU after SKU).
Kinect is a dead plugin because it costs too much for casuals and doesn't offer enough for hardcores. The Wii market already shifted to something else YEARS ago (it stopped selling in 2011? or 2012?) and they wouldn't spend 500$ to play Dance Central anyway.
dialogue-only missions were clearly meant to be something else
Eternal Guardian
Halo 4 had much better narrative than Halo 3 but missed the epic and memorable set pieces like the
Scarab fights, escaping the Halo control room after killing the Prophet, final run with the Warthog
About Xbox One: I don't know how it was at launch since I only bought it 2 and half months ago, but I use it daily and think it's a solid choice for any gamer. The UI was clunky before the NXOE update (and something could be better: they need to add a "Redeem code" button in the snap menu), install times are too long, but if you can go over those issues the games are really good. They're trying to diversiry their games (they already financed Titanfall, Ori and Sunset Overdrive, and are going to publish Recore, Quantum Break and Scalebound next year) but I don't think they should move away from the Gears, Halo, Forza trio. They're the best online tps, fps and racing you can find on the market and I want them to release one every 2-3 years. I wouldn't care if they moved to new IPs if they're not going to be as good as the old ones. That's why Nintendo keeps doing Mario and Zelda instead of <insert bad Nintendo games here> and Sony keeps doing GT and Uncharted instead of <insert bad Sony games here>.
What I was disappointed with is that it feels much different from the Xbox 360 I bought almost 6 years ago. That was a console that could do a lot of things, Xbox One feels like a box that can do (almost) everything and occasionally games. I have the same feeling whenever I turn on my PS3, and that's one of the reasons I don't trust Sony (others are too many PSN maintenances, progressively worse PS3+ choices and cut features SKU after SKU).
Kinect is a dead plugin because it costs too much for casuals and doesn't offer enough for hardcores. The Wii market already shifted to something else YEARS ago (it stopped selling in 2011? or 2012?) and they wouldn't spend 500$ to play Dance Central anyway.
I agree it does seem like Halo 5 had sections cut from it, I always felt like there was something missing.
If the next consoles come out in 2019 like AMD predicts I feel like MS should just give 343 another year and release Halo 6 as a launch title for the Xbox 2 and in the meantime release a Halo 5 expansion or something like ODST. That'd give them 4 years and time to make a damn good campaign and meaty multiplayer experience.
Halo 6 launch title with MCC&5 BC tokens, $399, powerful machine, backwards compatible with XB1 and 360. Add in a few new IP's and sequels (Alan Wake 2, Minecraft 2?) as a launch title and the console should fly off the shelves.
Honestly MS is just too little too late on everything they've done this gen. Big hitters too late, BC too late, new UI too late, cloud destruction demo too late. The only thing that hasn't been too late is MCC lol. Next gen everything needs to be ready from the get go.
And by focusing on Europe you mean making the environment offline based as well? i mean i can support that but i'd rather them focus on innovation and moving the industry forward.
A lot of the backlash from europe was because of the whole online always thing, and the privacy scare and all that. I can understand the latter but not the former. Being a U.S/South american player i'm ok with the online focus.
Is Sony wants to continue to sell traditional gaming units to Europe i'm ok with that, let them. I want Microsoft to keep pushing forward.