Marc Laidlaw has left Valve

Breakbeat

Banned
The last thing he wrote for Half-Life (BreenGrub) was a couple years ago, and I guess its canon status may be dubious, but it's worth a read for all HL fans who may have missed it. Interesting lore and implications for the overall HL story.

https://twitter.com/breengrub

Happy trails to Marc! A really talented writer, the games industry doesn't get very many like him.
 
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Deleted member 80556

Unconfirmed Member
Best of luck to Mark. I guess this is it for whatever small glimmer of hope I had for HL3. Oh well.
 

Metal-Geo

Member
For what it's worth, I truly hope all the talent at Valve are enjoying their place. The pessimist in me thinks they're still there because they get paid a ridiculous amount, and they know no other (game) studio could ever match it. But hopefully that's not the case.
 

Teletraan1

Banned
Who cares if they made DOTA2, TF2, CS, Steam. They also made a game series that 9 years ago ended on a cliffhanger. They should have never made those episodic games or at least made a/the final episode that ended the fucking thing. This is like when a good show gets canceled before any sort of resolution, but the fucked up thing is that the creators are the ones doing the cancelling here which almost never happens. Shows a lack of respect for the fan base. Even the ultra vocal Firefly fans got Serenity. Valve can't even address the game properly, too busy selling hats and laying in the cut on Steam.
 

dmr87

Member
At least fucking make an honest statement to the fans regarding what happened and what is going to happen with the franchise.

This is what pisses me off. It's a video game, not pandora's box.

Well, for the fans it's pandora's box.
 

Hakkelus

Member
If Valve announced that they are not making Half-life 3 and are not planning to, in my eyes the respect and interest for the company would totally collapse. In a blink of an eye it would be just another game developer instead of this mythical, interesting and exciting company it is now.
 
If Valve announced that they are not making Half-life 3 and are not planning to, in my eyes the respect and interest for the company would totally collapse. In a blink of an eye it would be just another game developer instead of this mythical, interesting and exciting company it is now.

I don't think so. They have CSGO, Dota 2, and other series.

There would be Internet outrage for a while amongst nerds, but I would prefer if they just said it.
 

Bluth54

Member
I must say I love how every Valve tread is full of salty people complaining about how Valve doesn't make games anymore because they don't make the type of games they like while completely ignoring Valve's 3 big multiplayer games that have gotten more support between them then most devs and pubs give to all their games combined.. It's maybe the most predictable thing in any GAF thread and a little old.

Just a perspective on what the other Valve writers are seemingly working on

Chet Faliszek is doing PR for the Vive
Jay Pinkerton is doing comics
Erik Wolpaw is doing comics and soon Psychonauts 2
Ted Kosmatka left for Bungie
Steve Jaros was doing Dota the last time he talked about work

of course there's unannounced stuff, which might not see the light of day at all... but the point is they haven't exactly knocked it out of the park in these last years

Speak for yourself I love the TF2 comics, the writting in them is just as good as the TF2 videos (which makes sense since it's the same writers).
 

injurai

Banned
I don't think so. They have CSGO, Dota 2, and other series.

There would be Internet outrage for a while amongst nerds, but I would prefer if they just said it.

I think they don't say it because it would hurt them. Plus a company always wants to be open to resurrecting their series, and HL was an important one to them.

I'm almost certain they will make L4D3 and leaks show as much. They have an engine that is prime for FPS games. Why not make a single player experience down the road. Even if they keep kicking that can down the road for the time being, eventually they like to think they will pick up that can.
 
If Valve announced that they are not making Half-life 3 and are not planning to, in my eyes the respect and interest for the company would totally collapse. In a blink of an eye it would be just another game developer instead of this mythical, interesting and exciting company it is now.
I'm positive this is why they haven't said anything. I too gave up any hope long ago, but hey- Steam is great.
 

NervousXtian

Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
They built Source 2 for something... and no way that was just Dota2. What boggles my mind really isn't that HL3 isn't coming.. it's that L4D3 hasn't been released or announced yet... after 2 games like a year apart.. it's been 6 1/2 years now since L4D2.

..and that's a game they can monetize to some extent. We've never gone 2 full calendar years without any new releases.

So, now the people who complain when people say Valve doesn't make games anymore... Valve hasn't made a new game since 2013.
 

karnage10

Banned
I urge everyone saying that half life 3 is dead and never is going to be made i'd just like to remember the shenmue 3 example.
 

inky

Member
I urge everyone saying that half life 3 is dead and never is going to be made i'd just like to remember the shenmue 3 example.

Shenmue 3's situation is completely different and irrelevant to the chances of Half Life 3 happening or not.

Half Life 3 hasn't happened because Valve doesn't want to make that game. It is that simple.
 
This makes sense.

Laidlaw is retiring.

Wolpaw is on loan to Double Fine.

Valve doesn't make narrative games anymore so they don't need writers anymore.
 

Skinpop

Member
I think they don't say it because it would hurt them. Plus a company always wants to be open to resurrecting their series, and HL was an important one to them.

I'm almost certain they will make L4D3 and leaks show as much. They have an engine that is prime for FPS games. Why not make a single player experience down the road. Even if they keep kicking that can down the road for the time being, eventually they like to think they will pick up that can.

valve will make hl3 if they have some tech or business model ready that will bring it to the next level. there's no point in making hl3 just for the sake of it, except making quick money.
this is a good thing - it means that if we get a hl3 it will probably be the best thing ever, introducing lots of new tech and gameplay ideas, pushing the industry forward again. if not, well then it wouldn't have been anything but your regular content-focused sequel that ends up hurting the brand and wasting the brains of the people working on it anyway. I expect a hl3 when/if valve makes a breakthrough in storytelling-tech. personally, I think authored storytelling is a dead end in game-dev but that's another discussion.
 
I urge everyone saying that half life 3 is dead and never is going to be made i'd just like to remember the shenmue 3 example.

Shenmue 3 had trouble getting any amount of funding. It's been ready to be made for over a decade but didn't have the cash to support it.

Valve is a multi-billion dollar corporation
 

dave is ok

aztek is ok
Shenmue 3 had trouble getting any amount of funding. It's been ready to be made for over a decade but didn't have the cash to support it.

Valve is a multi-billion dollar corporation
Valve don't have the hundreds of people required to make a AAA single player game.

Even if they assigned everyone on other projects to HL3, it would mean 3 years of nothing else.
 

collige

Banned
Shenmue 3's situation is completely different and irrelevant to the chances of Half Life 3 happening or not.

Half Life 3 hasn't happened because Valve doesn't want to make that game. It is that simple.
I think it's more of a case that they can't figure out a good way to make it than they simply don't want to. Valve generally couples tech advancements with their games and from what I've heard over the years they want to make a game that innovative and has something to justify existence beyond just finishing the plot. Do you really think people will be happy getting a Half-Life 3 in 2016/2017 that's just a prettier version of Episode 2?
 
They should have just had Marc write the final episode and had that shit outsourced to another developer. Doesn't make any god damn sense to me.
 
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I've made peace with the fact that Valve doesn't have an interest in making single player games any more. The sooner you all get to the same place the happier you will be.

Source: http://kotaku.com/5795355/valve-probably-done-with-single-player-games

Yep, I've given up

That being said, how they ended up handling the HL franchise is really fucking sad :(
 

GlamFM

Banned
I think it's more of a case that they can't figure out a good way to make it than they simply don't want to. Valve generally couples tech advancements with their games and from what I've heard over the years they want to make a game that innovative and has something to justify existence beyond just finishing the plot. Do you really think people will be happy getting a Half-Life 3 in 2016/2017 that's just a prettier version of Episode 2?

So..... what tech advancement got HL, L4D, Portal out of the door?
 
I think it's more of a case that they can't figure out a good way to make it than they simply don't want to. Valve generally couples tech advancements with their games and from what I've heard over the years they want to make a game that innovative and has something to justify existence beyond just finishing the plot. Do you really think people will be happy getting a Half-Life 3 in 2016/2017 that's just a prettier version of Episode 2?

Right, they sort of worked themselves into a corner with the episodes. Episode 2 wasn't bad by any means - I think it's fantastic - but it's iterative rather than revolutionary. Iterative, spit-polished episodes are a fine idea, but Half-Life 2 was already slightly long in the tooth by the time Episode 2 came out. If they were working on Episode 3 for all these years and it was the same sort of scope as 2... I'm sure it wouldn't be bad, but it might just not have been something they felt good about releasing in 201X. Or hell, maybe they just straight up couldn't think of any ideas, revolutionary or not. It happens.

As a fan that's frustrating, because I would be happy with something else in Episode 2's vein that wrapped up the story. But from a creative perspective, I get it. If the creators aren't happy with something there's no real getting over that. I just wish we'd get something.
 

Easy_D

never left the stone age
They could release a Half Life webcomic for all I care, just give me some closure. Their webcomics are usually really good too so yeah.
 
Valve don't have the hundreds of people required to make a AAA single player game.

Even if they assigned everyone on other projects to HL3, it would mean 3 years of nothing else.

Yea, money is no issue for Valve, man power is. It takes a lot of resources to maintain three large games, along with the entire infrastructure of Steam itself (which must be massive)

Now, they could convert their basically infinite money into more man power, but their company culture makes that challenging.

You start dividing out rough estimates of team sizes, and there's very little left for an entirely new game. Either they'd have to hire more people, or shift resources away from their three core money making games. And even then, those three core games could use more resources as well, since all three update fairly slowly, often quite a lot slower than their peer games from other companies.
 

inky

Member
I think it's more of a case that they can't figure out a good way to make it than they simply don't want to. Valve generally couples tech advancements with their games and from what I've heard over the years they want to make a game that innovative and has something to justify existence beyond just finishing the plot. Do you really think people will be happy getting a Half-Life 3 in 2016/2017 that's just a prettier version of Episode 2?

I'm not sure that's the case, but either way, whether it is the will or the tech advancements they don't have is irrelevant imo.

Valve is a top studio, with top talent and resources. That doesn't sound like an impossible barrier to overcome. It's not a priority, that's all. Their other services are.
 

collige

Banned
So..... what tech advancement got HL, L4D, Portal out of the door?

The original Half-life was on a brand new engine and also basically reinvented FPS campaigns.

L4D had the director AI. It also wasn't made by Valve.

On top of the actual portal mechanic, Portal was basically just an experiment for Valve which is why it wasn't even sold on its own. It was also used to launch Mac support for Valve games and Steam.
 
I was dredging this day but I was expecting it.



RIP half life. Without him I don't ever see it actually happening.



A shame Marc never got to go out on a high note. Instead fading away on f2p stuff and Web comics.
 

mrpeabody

Member
If Valve announced that they are not making Half-life 3 and are not planning to, in my eyes the respect and interest for the company would totally collapse. In a blink of an eye it would be just another game developer instead of this mythical, interesting and exciting company it is now.

So developing a single-player first-person shooter sequel is mythical, interesting, and exciting, while reinventing interactive entertainment makes you just another game developer. I think you misunderstand what Valve even is.
 

dex3108

Member
Valve can't even handle staff departure right. I really wonder how that company even manages function. I just wonder how long it will be until people really, really start to hate them for lack of communication.
 

Pakoe

Member
For the first time, i actually believe it isn't coming.
I know it sounds weird, after all these years without any info and half asses "leaks" but i just always wanted to finish te story. Guess it will never happen.
It's sad not knowing how something you experienced in your youth will end, weird feels all around.

They could release a Half Life webcomic for all I care, just give me some closure. Their webcomics are usually really good too so yeah.

This would be nice as a closure, yeah.
 
Steam client is a bloated disaster, Greenlight's a punchline of a service, SteamOS/Steam Machines/Steam Controllers are all basically DOA, Steam sales are a shadow of their former selves, the winter ARG was a waste of everyone's time, TF2 is made more by the community than by Valve at this point, the 75% cut they take selling user-created content for their games is an absolute ripoff, every new service or feature they roll out is half-baked at best, they haven't made a single player game in four years with no signs of that changing any time soon, and they keep making mistake after mistake without ever learning because all their failures are subsidized by the endless cash flow that is the Steam store. I also don't give a fuck about Dota or CS:GO, which I fully realize is Just My Opinion, Man, but the fact that all Valve makes now seems to be microtransaction-funded multiplayer stuff makes them all the less appealing to me, especially after watching how their business model shift kinda fucked one of my favorite games of all time (TF2). I'd almost call them the Nexon of the west but at least Nexon is prolific.

:(
 

fantomena

Member
If HL3 is indeed not coming then I would be very nice to hear why it isn't coming and hopefully how Valve planned to end the story.
 
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