Xbox One at 18 million (activated units)
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PS2 launched 18 months before Xbox and Gamecube, so your comparison doesn't hold water.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Except they sold more than 18 million. That number does not include people who haven't used their system in four weeks. I know this is NeoGAF but oftentimes people go a long time without playing games. I booted up my PS4 for the first time in like 3 months the other day.
Night Angel
Member
People are confused because the Wii-U is almost universally considered a direct competitor to the current gen consoles. You must know this already, so most people assume you're being disingenuous. Your supposed confusion to everyone else's confusion only increases my suspicion of your genuineness.
BRocknRolla
Member
I think most people reasonably think MS cannot retake the majority of the market. Suggesting that MS take a $2 billion bath or offer Xboxes for free isn't reasonable. (The 360 situation was about avoiding a potential billion dollar consumer suit, not just good PR and sales.)
PS4 overtook (or at least met MS) in sales last gen, but that was because of their growth in territories where MS didn't really compete. As MS continues to not compete meaningfully in those territories, and is losing in its core territories, MS doesn't have a lot of avenues to take back the lead. Perhaps if they could have blown up in a huge emerging market, but they've failed to do that this far.
Mendax
Member
yes if you see it in isolation but if you consider the broader devices/gadgets market or the direct competition it is not so much so I'd say
if the 18 mln active consoles is correct yes but it is an estimate. a guess. or guesstimate. And those can be way off, just look at Pachter's track record
maybe not if you buy it just to watch live tv through it?
Don't you have to initially connect it to the Internet to use it?
Well that's pretty friggin convenient that you're not counting the Wii U.
If you add in the latest number I can find for Wii-u the Xbox one market share is 28%, not a huge difference.
36+18+10 = 64. 18/64 = 0.28125 or ~28%.
gundamkyoukai
Member
18 million sound about right .
Good idea, going after China and India would have seemed like a good strategic move. Of course the economy in China is tanking at the moment, but it seems reasonable that there is a huge untapped market there.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
So "activated units" would include used consoles? So that could mean two "activations" if a system had two owners?
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Of course it's sold more than 18 million....
....to retailers.
It's not any higher than 18 million sell-through atm tho, or if so, only by a few dozen thousand.
Pathfinder
Member
Since we don't have official numbers, it's safe to assume that at this point.
pixelation
Member
PS4 is a beast!!!
Why are you not counting the Wii U as part of the generation?
That because no third party publisher support the Wii U
Face it, the Wii U is consider part of this generation.
It's still about 28% counting Wii U.
36+18+12* = 66 18/66 = 27.3%
Welfare
Member
Activated means within the last 28 days, and that only counts the systems that are updated to W10.
28% is not 1/3
You failed math 101?
joecanada
Member
So you think the percentage of non activated units is like 0 . 2 %? Seems pretty low to me
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Unless you're using an XB1 offline, doesn't that mean that any XB1 that connected to the internet in the past 28 days would be upgraded to their win10 variation?
blame space
Banned
AFAIK you need an Xbox live account to even get to the home screen of an Xbox One.
No, I passed math 101.
I was using just the PS4 and Xbox one numbers. I'm not sure why you have to retort to insults.
BRocknRolla
Member
They did launch is China. PS4 too. Both tanked. http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-08/game-over-in-china-for-playstation-and-xbox
And unless India or Brazil see a huge increase in wages for the average person, those markets likely wouldn't explode in the manner required either. There just doesn't seem to be a reasonable way to make it happen this gen.
Welfare
Member
Yes, so it would only be counting those units. Offline and non used consoles would not count.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
I haven't played my X1 since my last Halo match (mid Dec), was this update since then?
I don't remember any game changing update to Windows 10.....
Got to remember lots of gamers have all the different platforms, and PS4/PC are my go to ones really. If this is based solely off 18 million active upgrades, that doesn't speak to an exact sold through number at all IMO.
I don't remember any game changing update to Windows 10.....
Got to remember lots of gamers have all the different platforms, and PS4/PC are my go to ones really. If this is based solely off 18 million active upgrades, that doesn't speak to an exact sold through number at all IMO.
slavesnyder
Member
When you ignore that this previous iteration was US market dominator and was WW or par with the competition and threw all these hardly worked for achievements down the drain in a jiffy - yes.
I don't remember that being the case?
No insult intended.
Just trying to understand why you don't count the Wii u sales as part of this generation.
joecanada
Member
Let's not get out of control, consoles can auto update, connect, etc without you doing anything other than hooking it up. Also users have reported not being able to play games without updates, we've had threads about it.... So the number of units offline is likely pretty low
50-60 percent isn't going to help here, this doesn't mean they sold double
"China is home to 515 million gamers, of which only around 9 million, according to Bloomberg News, play on televisions".
Wow, you would have thought they would have research that before launching into China.
diffusionx
Gold Member
So you think 99.8% of people with an Xbox booted it up in the past month? That's pretty optimistic, but okay.
The point is that we don't know how many it sold just based on this data. It's all conjecture. We know it sold 18M + X, but we don't know what X is.
Yes, the new dashboard has been pushed to everyone now, but there would still be some offline consoles or those who did not connect within 28 days.
Yes, any Xbox One system needs at least one Xbox Live account. If you don't have one, it will create one as part of the initial setup.
gamechanger87
Member
Jesus, this isn't difficult. I've posted the video where she gives the definition. She was saying that there are 18 million Xbox ones that have been turned on in the past 28 days. This is active Xbox ones. Not sold just ones that have turned on and pinged home in the past 28 days.
KillerMan91
Member
Maybe in isolation but when you consider that X360 didn't really start that strong compared to later years (as it was successor to original Xbox that only sold 24 million so they had to built the brand) it doesn't look as good to be barely ahead of that. It's like when Nintendo touted how 3DS was outpacing DS early in its life. We know what happened to that comparison later on.
But the data it self is not solid. List to the podcast. It is unconfirmed
Eh, I dunno. Since the Xbox One is more of a multimedia center, I'm betting quite a few people run their TV through it, so they'd still go online even if not playing anything.
If this data is accurate, I do still think there's ~20 mil sold through.
The Artisan
Member
Wii also launched a year after its competition and wii u launched a year before its. We can keep adding factors to why this and that succeeded or didn't but in my personal opinion, while Ps4's lead is substantial, the xbone doesn't look that far behind.
I'm not thinking about this as winner-takes-all. My statements were made about this gen alone and I feel that last gen showed the Xbox brand wouldn't have a chance at the top spot in worldwide sales this gen if Sony didn't make screw ups + if both systems launched at the same time.
I feel that the possibility of the Xbox being a big worldwide brand is still there (again, if they start a future gaming gen doing what I said in my previous posts); I just feel that it was impossible for it to happen this particular gen.
Edit: Regardless of if MS didn't make any mistakes.
joecanada
Member
Lol I don't get it. What if they turned the console on but it was wrapped in tinfoil? And underwater at the time?
Can you please simplify in chart form or diagram?
No. It's safe to assume the Xbox One activated units are significantly higher than all market and sales-number indications.
MS concern should be for PS5, since Sony went the x86 architecture it should be much easier for them to implement BC. One could see much quicker revs in hardware and whoever gets a stranglehold on the "game store" as Apple did, will be the big winner.
This could be why their unified store could be their plan to prevent that. "If you game on windows, you get the same games on your console (or handheld)"
This could be why their unified store could be their plan to prevent that. "If you game on windows, you get the same games on your console (or handheld)"
3rdamention
Member
Seems a bit high to me, cause with all those little variables, it could be up around 20 million and I just find that hard to believe.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Reading through and assuming not 100% of Xbox Ones are online it could actually be higher than 18 mill sold through. That's good.
If they can manage to sell 50 million when all is said and done they should be happy with it. That launch was beyond a disaster.
If they can manage to sell 50 million when all is said and done they should be happy with it. That launch was beyond a disaster.
Mexen
Member
Yes, but that figure you gave is awfully specific for an estimation... Not to mention far much higher than I would like to believe, but then again, Unit sales numbers are things I've never taken an interest in until today.
I can understand 18+X million, but how did you get to 97.9? A chart would be nice too.
EDIT:NVM
gamechanger87
Member
Well this is what we are going off of. She was told 200M W10 active units and was given a breakdown. 180M computers, 18M XBO and 2M W10 phones have been active and used in the past 28 days. Assuming that not all XBOs have been used in the past 28 days, the number moves north.
I don't think a console that is plugged in, did a background update without being turned on and hasn't been used would be counted in this figure. This is targeting "active" consoles which is MS' big investor focus now.