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[jhmtehgamr20xx]

So you think 99.8% of people with an Xbox booted it up in the past month? That's pretty optimistic, but okay.

The point is that we don't know how many it sold just based on this data. It's all conjecture. We know it sold 18M + X, but we don't know what X is.

You really think people would spend $300-$500 on something and not use it in any way for over a month? If I spend that much money on something, I'm gonna make sure it gets used pretty often. Get my money's worth out of it. Most people I'd like to think are the same in that regard.

I mean if Oprah or Warren Buffet bought an XBO I can see them not using it for months at a time, but they're hardly among the "crop of common folk" either.

 

[Welfare]

So, just wondering then, what would be you guys' prediction for both sold through and shipped? And like, no ranges. A number.

20.5 million shipped. >19 million sold through.

I doubt most people use it for more than gaming.

Back in 2012 http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/27/2905923/xbox-live-entertainment-overtakes-multiplayer-gaming-stats

I thought there was something more recent, but I will have to look.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

An Xbox one without a internet connection is essentially a brick.

Or have people forgotten that each console needs to connect online at least once to remove the always online check in?

Its amazing the ridiculous mental hoops people try to go through to make out the Xbox is selling better than it is.

always the same usernames as well. Painfully transparent.

So on one hand we have people wanting to believe that 9/10 people are buying digital so as to make software sales look better than they appear.

And on the other hand we have people wanting to believe that there are now millions of consoles that are out there not being connected to the Internet at all.

So which one is it?

This.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Damn first digital is all the rage, now millions of consoles are just collecting dust during the busiest gaming time of the year...

 

[boredandlazy]

An Xbox one without a internet connection is essentially a brick.

Or have people forgotten that each console needs to connect online at least once to remove the always online check in?

Its amazing the ridiculous mental hoops people try to go through to make the Xbox is selling better than it is.

always the same usernames as well. Painfully transparent.


This.

Still? Surely they've fixed that by now...

 

[anothertech]

False alarm guys

Well, Xbox One is surely a worthy opponent to the PS4, but it looks like the gaming community considers it only half as good. While Microsoft has conveniently decided not to share sales figures any more, some statistics revealed recently suggest that so far they have managed to sell 18 million Xbox Ones.

they based this on Windows activations on xbones, and I have 8 accounts on mine. The number could mean anything.

 

[etta]

False alarm guys they based this on Windows activations on xbones, and I have 8 accounts on mine. The number could mean anything.

Profile does not equal Windows activation.
Windows activates only once per system, not once every account. It's tied to the hardware ID.

 

[Sydle]

False alarm guys they based this on Windows activations on xbones, and I have 8 accounts on mine. The number could mean anything.

They are measuring by number of active devices, not active user accounts.

Here

 

[SPDIF]

An Xbox one without a internet connection is essentially a brick.

Or have people forgotten that each console needs to connect online at least once to remove the always online check in?

Its amazing the ridiculous mental hoops people try to go through to make out the Xbox is selling better than it is.

always the same usernames as well. Painfully transparent.



This.

You think that's still a requirement?

 

[Glorified G]

I don't even know what PS Vue is and I'm on GAF regularly.

 

[wapplew]

We just need to post some low ball numbers like 15m sold through on twitter like it's real, Greenberg might get annoy enough to give us the real number.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

You think that's still a requirement?

Has there been evidence otherwise?

 

[Sydle]

We just need to post some low ball numbers like 15m sold through on twitter like it's real, Greenberg might get annoy enough to give us the real number.

It's sad to think this tactic has a chance of working on him.

 

[Ray Down]

Watch closely, people

 

[semiconscious]

It's sad to think this tactic has a chance of working on him.

hey! - he's an excitable boy! ...

 

[bishoptl]

You think that's still a requirement?

It is.

"After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again."

 

[Apathy]

I don't even know what PS Vue is and I'm on GAF regularly.

Cable alternative

 

[Fat4all]

I don't even know what PS Vue is and I'm on GAF regularly.

It's kinda like Sling TV.

I think it's usable on PS4, Sony Bluray players and some Sony TV's.

 

[etta]

It is.

"After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again."

Don't they update the consoles with the latest firmware as they manufacture them?

Not Ones. They don't have offline profiles.

What does that mean?

 

[SPDIF]

Has there been evidence otherwise?

Officially? I don't think so. But it seems quite reasonable to think that any console sold since say, mid-2014, has had the DRM-free firmware factory installed. So therefore I doubt any new Xbox needs to connect at all. I guess a quick way to find out would be to ask someone who's recently bought one whether they needed to update or not.

It is.

"After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again."

That's what they were saying in June 2013. Surely the newer consoles come with the update preinstalled. It'd be pretty stupid if they didn't.

 

[FyreWulff]

Don't they update the consoles with the latest firmware as they manufacture them?

Not Ones. They don't have offline profiles.

 

[FyreWulff]

Just so you know, Foley's number are (supposedly) for the active XBO devices, so assuming that's true, the sold through should be a bit higher than 17.5m.



Source?

http://mynintendonews.com/2014/08/2...sers-males-account-for-93-and-females-only-7/

Also revealed Wii U's absolutely atrocious 93:7 male/female eshop demographic

 

[slavesnyder]

We are talking about the console that was supposed to be always online.
Now we are not even sure about once a month.

 

[statham]

We are talking about the console that was supposed to be always online.
Now we are not even sure about once a month.

oh no!

 

[Tommy DJ]

Don't they update the consoles with the latest firmware as they manufacture them?

Definitely not, I had to grab more than a few updates for the Xbox One before I could do anything and I just got mine recently straight from Microsoft. If you can skip the whole update step, Microsoft has hidden that option extremely well.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

So, just wondering then, what would be you guys' prediction for both sold through and shipped? And like, no ranges. A number.

~20m shipped, ~18.5m sold.

 

[Manmademan]

yes, it was because of the GPU, and not the massive anti-consumer and anti-developer backlash

just like the inferior graphics of the PS2, the PS1, the Wii, the Game Boy, and the NES held those back...

Uh..that's some revisionist history there.

The PS2 was far and away the most powerful system at release in 2000. It's 2001 lineup (FFX, Gran Turismo, MGS2, Devil May Cry) absolutely buried the best the DC had to offer. Sony's PR machine was on full blast with how advanced the PS2 was, even spreading that ridiculous story about PS2's being used to launch missiles by saddam or whatever. Yes, the Gamecube and Xbox were more powerful, but by then the PS2 had the market virtually to itself for 2 straight years and it was too little too late.

The PS1 is an even worse example. The PS1 launched in 1994. It's competition was the sega saturn, the atari jaguar, and the 3D0. two of those were rendered irrelevant IMMEDIATELY as they couldn't handle 3D anywhere close to what the PS1 pulled off, and the PS1 easily outclassed the saturn in that area as well, despite being $100 cheaper. The PS1 being "weak" is flat out wrong. The N64 while a more powerful system didn't launch until late in 1996- once again leaving Sony with nearly 2 straight years to run up the score with no significant competition- and even then the N64's lack of multimedia capability let sony give the appearance of still being more powerful with advertisements full of CGI that wouldn't fit on a cart.

Momentum in the marketplace is a thing. It doesn't matter if nintendo releases an NX console that outclasses the PS4 next year or not, the thing has built up too much of a lead to reverse.

The NES? What was the NES competing with at launch? The US gaming industry was in shambles. The Atari 5200? The Intellivision? It destroyed both by a mile. The sega master system didn't launch until a year later in the states...if you could find one. Nintendo leveraged it's stranglehold on retailers and third parties to prevent games being made, and retailers from carrying it. The game boy also had no significant competition for the same reason.

The Wii is the sole example of power not mattering- and that didn't last all that long before the bottom fell out of that market.

 

[ethomaz]

Xbone needs to connect at least one time to Internet to works... that was not changed.

 

[NullPointer]

You really think people would spend $300-$500 on something and not use it in any way for over a month?

Yes. Definitely yes.

Case in point: My PS3 and PSP last gen, and my Xbox One this gen.

 

[Bgamer90]

Uh..that's some revisionist history there.

The PS2 was far and away the most powerful system at release in 2000. It's 2001 lineup (FFX, Gran Turismo, MGS2, Devil May Cry) absolutely buried the best the DC had to offer. Sony's PR machine was on full blast with how advanced the PS2 was, even spreading that ridiculous story about PS2's being used to launch missiles by saddam or whatever. Yes, the Gamecube and Xbox were more powerful, but by then the PS2 had the market virtually to itself for 2 straight years and it was too little too late.

The PS1 is an even worse example. The PS1 launched in 1994. It's competition was the sega saturn, the atari jaguar, and the 3D0. two of those were rendered irrelevant IMMEDIATELY as they couldn't handle 3D anywhere close to what the PS1 pulled off, and the PS1 easily outclassed the saturn in that area as well, despite being $100 cheaper. The PS1 being "weak" is flat out wrong. The N64 while a more powerful system didn't launch until late in 1996- once again leaving Sony with nearly 2 straight years to run up the score with no significant competition- and even then the N64's lack of multimedia capability let sony give the appearance of still being more powerful with advertisements full of CGI that wouldn't fit on a cart.

Momentum in the marketplace is a thing. It doesn't matter if nintendo releases an NX console that outclasses the PS4 next year or not, the thing has built up too much of a lead to reverse.

The NES? What was the NES competing with at launch? The US gaming industry was in shambles. The Atari 5200? The Intellivision? It destroyed both by a mile. The sega master system didn't launch until a year later in the states...if you could find one. Nintendo leveraged it's stranglehold on retailers and third parties to prevent games being made, and retailers from carrying it. The game boy also had no significant competition for the same reason.

The Wii is the sole example of power not mattering- and that didn't last all that long before the bottom fell out of that market.

Power always matters but I disagree about it being the main quality that decides a system's fate. In terms of the PS2, the majority of the PS2's sales came after the Xbox and GameCube released. People wanted the (huge) graphical leap from the PS1, the various games (whether exclusives or the visually worst multiplats of the gen), and the DVD player.

 

[icespide]

You really think people would spend $300-$500 on something and not use it in any way for over a month? If I spend that much money on something, I'm gonna make sure it gets used pretty often. Get my money's worth out of it. Most people I'd like to think are the same in that regard.

I mean if Oprah or Warren Buffet bought an XBO I can see them not using it for months at a time, but they're hardly among the "crop of common folk" either.

lots of people have more money than time

 

[Inuhanyou]

Glad to see consoles selling well in general.

We knew it was gonna be 2 to 1, but XB1 is still destroying 360 and PS3, and that's grand

 

[Primethius]

Glad to see consoles selling well in general.

We knew it was gonna be 2 to 1, but XB1 is still destroying 360 and PS3, and that's grand

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure PS3 was ahead of the XB1 in the same time frame in terms of shipments and likely sales as well.

 

[Welfare]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure PS3 was ahead of the XB1 in the same time frame in terms of shipments and likely sales as well.

It is. After 2 years (2008), the PS3 was at 21.1m units shipped.

 

[Raist]

Glad to see consoles selling well in general.

We knew it was gonna be 2 to 1, but XB1 is still destroying 360 and PS3, and that's grand

It's certainly not destroying the PS3. It's actually below it.

 

[Meaty]

Don't they update the consoles with the latest firmware as they manufacture them?

What does that mean?

This is a better anti-piracy measure. If the crackers break any os version it wouldnt matter, if you just bought the console you are forced to get the most recent version

 

[bishoptl]

That's what they were saying in June 2013. Surely the newer consoles come with the update preinstalled. It'd be pretty stupid if they didn't.

Well that's an unkind thing to say

 

[joecanada]

You really think people would spend $300-$500 on something and not use it in any way for over a month? If I spend that much money on something, I'm gonna make sure it gets used pretty often. Get my money's worth out of it. Most people I'd like to think are the same in that regard.

I mean if Oprah or Warren Buffet bought an XBO I can see them not using it for months at a time, but they're hardly among the "crop of common folk" either.

Of course but there still might be 5-10 percent who didn't like it, it broke, they lost their Internet, busy, holidays there's lots of factors. But yeah not millions and millions that's ridiculous and besides what does ms care if they sold a brick to someone they aren't making any money off someone who never plays.. If it's 18 million or so active people then that's important for them to know

 

[SPDIF]

Well that's an unkind thing to say

So you're telling me that every console manufactured and sold in 2015 still had the same DRM-ridden OS from 2013 preinstalled? Maybe I should go and buy a new XB1 and see for myself, since that seems unbelievable.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Doesn't matter, "just another Halo game," isn't going to significantly expand Microsofts audience. There's just not enough there to capture the imagination of people that aren't already invested in that franchise, and that audience was probably largely factored into the XBO's install base before the game released.

Again, this isn't about quality, nor even Halo's ability to generate healthy sales. It's all about expanding the install base, and Halo wasn't well equipped to do that.

Really, what Microsoft needs is something new, different, and exciting.

hmmm...maybe, well they did buy Minecraft the inevitable sequel pushing hardware could be a thing.

 

[QaaQer]

Surface devices would be in the PC category, and win10 mobile hasn't been launched officially yet, so these numbers could very well be real.

I thought they launched some w10 phones in Nov. I swore saw some in the windows store.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure PS3 was ahead of the XB1 in the same time frame in terms of shipments and likely sales as well.

It's certainly not destroying the PS3. It's actually below it.

Yeah...i only remembered after the fact that PS3 launched a year after the 360 and largely negated the 10 million gap...shit..

Don't underestimate Playstation as a global brand

Well....atleast XB1 is beating 360 right?

 

[SPDIF]

I thought they launched some w10 phones in Nov. I swore saw some in the windows store.

They've launched some phones with W10 preinstalled, but I don't think they've officially released the update for all the older phones running 8.1 yet.

 

[QaaQer]

They've launched some phones with W10 preinstalled, but I don't think they've officially released the update for all the older phones running 8.1 yet.

Cheers

 

[FyreWulff]

Yeah...i only remembered after the fact that PS3 launched a year after the 360 and largely negated the 10 million gap...shit..

Don't underestimate Playstation as a global brand

Well....atleast XB1 is beating 360 right?

PS3 actually overtook the 360. 360 ended up in third place for last generation. (This was also after Sony spent a giant mountain of cash paying for exclusive DLC and giving most of their games away for free via Plus)

 

[SPDIF]

PS3 actually overtook the 360. 360 ended up in third place for last generation. (This was also after Sony spent a giant mountain of cash paying for exclusive DLC and giving most of their games away for free via Plus)

Was that ever confirmed? Last I heard the 360 had sold 80 million in October 2013, while Sony announced the PS3 had reached 80 million in November 13.

 

[Omnistalgic]

So you're telling me that every console manufactured and sold in 2015 still had the same DRM-ridden OS from 2013 preinstalled? Maybe I should go and buy a new XB1 and see for myself, since that seems unbelievable.

Some one has answered you in the thread mate, you still have to update it at least once, even recent Xbones

 

[Neuromancer]

Please don't refer to it as "xbone". If you were being sincere you would say X1, XB1 or Xbox One. A game console deserves more respect than that.

You're the best junior.

 

[SPDIF]

Some one has answered you in the thread mate, you still have to update it at least once, even recent Xbones

Yeah, apparently so. I guess I'm shocked that they still haven't rectified that.

 

[AmuroChan]

So you think 99.8% of people with an Xbox booted it up in the past month? That's pretty optimistic, but okay.

It doesn't have to boot up. As long as the system is not completely shut down it's going to ping XBL from time to time.

Was that ever confirmed? Last I heard the 360 had sold 80 million in October 2013, while Sony announced the PS3 had reached 80 million in November 13.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/10/report-ps3-surpasses-xbox-360s-worldwide-shipped-total