Frozen Synapse Tournament - Ongoing, incl. Video Footage!

I'm going to try to play my group tomorrow, I've just been sick as a dog. Sorry group!
 
Toma said:
And 18 minute commentary:
https://youtu.be/tPMzlwE0U0c

Wouldnt have thought that talking about these matches takes so long. O.o
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Thanks for the commentary, fun to watch and listen. And about that adventorous part, I felt like I was stalling, so decided to go check the upper part of the map with the MG. But rewatching that match and listening the commentary shows the errors I know I made, and tought me few others I made.
 
archnemesis said:
My guy was indeed moving faster, but he approached at a better angle. The green shotgun had to turn 15º before he could start aiming.
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I am pretty sure that movement speed was the more decisive factor waaay back when I started learning this game in depth. Not sure if thats just my imagination, though.

I need to simulate that some more.
Razakin said:
Thanks for the commentary, fun to watch and listen. And about that adventorous part, I felt like I was stalling, so decided to go check the upper part of the map with the MG. But rewatching that match and listening the commentary shows the errors I know I made, and tought me few others I made.
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Glad to hear you liked it :)
 
archnemesis said:
My guy was indeed moving faster, but he approached at a better angle. The green shotgun had to turn 15º before he could start aiming.
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Sorry for the shitty greenscreen effects, but check this:
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The lower guy was at a MUCH wider angle, than the upper one who directly aimed at the lower shotgunner.
 
archnemesis said:
Perhaps I just got lucky. There is likely a RNG determining the spread of the bullets.
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The game is known for having no RNG though. You can also check this by simulating the same situation over and over again. It will always be the same guy winning.
Also:
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This really shouldnt happen.
 
Contacted the dev about it, they are looking into it now.
 
Large Professor said:
Already 2 losses, and one draw. Looks like I'm not going to make it far. Congrats to the winners.
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Considering how well you were able to predict my moves, I guess I should be happy. But now I might need to play against the guys who predicted the moves of the guy who predicted my moves. o_o

Anyway, still have 3 matches left, win all three and you still have a good shot! :)

Edit: Your matches havent been posted here yet, right?
 
Uh, I have a technical problem. In one game against Super Inframan, one of my soldiers refuses to do anything. The first turn, I had him quickly switch between standing and ducking in order to distract Inframan's shotgunner. Now, in the second turn, there's still a smidge of the 'wait' timer left but it refuses to run out. Any commands I give the soldier is automatically added to the wait timer, and thus never performed. I've tried to delete the 'wait' order, but it doesn't work (and caused the game to stop responding twice). It seems this is a bug.

How should we continue? I don't know if it's fair to redo the match as Inframan killed one unit and I killed none, but on the other hand I lost a second unit due to a bug in the game.

I can make a gif if you want.
 
A Sentient Keyboard said:
Uh, I have a technical problem. In one game against Super Inframan, one of my soldiers refuses to do anything. The first turn, I had him quickly switch between standing and ducking in order to distract Inframan's shotgunner. Now, in the second turn, there's still a smidge of the 'wait' timer left but it refuses to run out. Any commands I give the soldier is automatically added to the wait timer, and thus never performed. I've tried to delete the 'wait' order, but it doesn't work (and caused the game to stop responding twice). It seems this is a bug.

How should we continue? I don't know if it's fair to redo the match as Inframan killed one unit and I killed none, but on the other hand I lost a second unit due to a bug in the game.

I can make a gif if you want.
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Yeah, please make a gif. If it really is such a big bug, we'll redo the match. I hope Infra is fine with it.
 
Corto said:
Those last 2 kills were strange though. The bullets can go through walls? :P hehe
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I don't think you're actually questioning the result, but still, I don't see bullets going through walls in the video or even in the game itself?
The way the game renders the bullets is independent from its calculations about which unit should die, so sometimes you do see weird stuff like a unit dying from a shotgun bullet even though the unit seems to have walked away behind a wall and should be safe, but I don't see that happening here.

A Sentient Keyboard said:
Uh, I have a technical problem. In one game against Super Inframan, one of my soldiers refuses to do anything. The first turn, I had him quickly switch between standing and ducking in order to distract Inframan's shotgunner. Now, in the second turn, there's still a smidge of the 'wait' timer left but it refuses to run out. Any commands I give the soldier is automatically added to the wait timer, and thus never performed. I've tried to delete the 'wait' order, but it doesn't work (and caused the game to stop responding twice). It seems this is a bug.
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I can confirm that this happens sometimes, I've had it happen to me several times recently... I never saw it before (ie when I played it after the game's and the dlc's releases, and on and off after that) so it must be linked to changes the devs made fairly recently :s

I think the orders actually go through, like if you continue on sight then duck the unit does duck in the actual turn, but you just don't see it in the preview, so it can be hard to plan ahead obviously. Just specifying this in case it doesn't affect games and people can avoid restarting them; if you don't actually need the preview, try priming after giving the orders even if the behaviour seems off in the preview, and maybe it will actually behave like it should during the proper outcome.
 
A Sentient Keyboard said:
Uh, I have a technical problem. In one game against Super Inframan...
I can make a gif if you want.
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Toma said:
Yeah, please make a gif. If it really is such a big bug, we'll redo the match. I hope Infra is fine with it.
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Yeah, let's rematch. I noticed myself that the guy wouldn't move but I thought it was just a bug on my side during testing my superior strategies ;)

edit: after seeing the new match I'm against playing a new round!

just joking, but damn, that shit is rough
 
Acccent said:
I don't think you're actually questioning the result, but still, I don't see bullets going through walls in the video or even in the game itself?
The way the game renders the bullets is independent from its calculations about which unit should die, so sometimes you do see weird stuff like a unit dying from a shotgun bullet even though the unit seems to have walked away behind a wall and should be safe, but I don't see that happening here.



I can confirm that this happens sometimes, I've had it happen to me several times recently... I never saw it before (ie when I played it after the game's and the dlc's releases, and on and off after that) so it must be linked to changes the devs made fairly recently :s

I think the orders actually go through, like if you continue on sight then duck the unit does duck in the actual turn, but you just don't see it in the preview, so it can be hard to plan ahead obviously. Just specifying this in case it doesn't affect games and people can avoid restarting them; if you don't actually need the preview, try priming after giving the orders even if the behaviour seems off in the preview, and maybe it will actually behave like it should during the proper outcome.
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Oh no, sorry. It just appeared to me that my shotgun blast went thorugh the wall, and both our machinegun units had shots passing through the walls. Just an oddity.
 
Corto said:
Those last 2 kills were strange though. The bullets can go through walls? :P hehe
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Yeah, these shots dont actually go through walls. Its just the game showing stray shots, the actual shot should be right along a perfect line between the 2 soldiers outside of the wall. Thats normal.
 
First match down!

Group: C
Player A: xVladx // Win // Killed Soldiers: 4 // Lost Soldiers: 3
Player B: SuperMuffin // Loss // Killed Soldiers: 3 // Lost Soldiers: 1
Game ID: 1340045
Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/TcAy2DTFNQM

So yeah, two grenadiers per team makes for a quick game.
 
Did a commentary on Toma V AnotherDinosaur.

It breaks down the match, starting areas and I go into a bit of game theory. Also touches on a few key elements (like make sure your explosives detonate in the same turn!)

A bit lengthy, but hopefully helpful, especially for those who will face Toma ahead.

https://youtu.be/cLF1nj03EDA
 
Group: D
Player A: Acccent // Win // Killed Soldiers: 4 // Lost Soldiers: 1
Player B: Balthuk // Loss // Killed Soldiers: 1 // Lost Soldiers: 4
Game ID: 1340100
Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/orz3VZCdruU

gg Balthuk (you didn't get my reply in the ig chat)

edit:
DunderHassan said:
Group: E
Player A: DunderHassan // Win // Killed Soldiers: 3 // Lost Soldiers: 0
Player B: Large Professor // Loss // Killed Soldiers: 0 // Lost Soldiers: 3
Game ID: 1340108
Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/jcz5tAQ7OVo
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wow lol
 
Group: C
Player A: xVladx // Draw // Killed Soldiers: 2 // Lost Soldiers: 2
Player B: smalltrouble // Draw // Killed Soldiers: 2 // Lost Soldiers: 2
Game ID: 1340049
Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/7vRxTmD9jyM

For posting these results, in a case where someone's FS name is different from their GAF one, which should I be using?
 
Najaf said:
Did a commentary on Toma V AnotherDinosaur.

It breaks down the match, starting areas and I go into a bit of game theory. Also touches on a few key elements (like make sure your explosives detonate in the same turn!)

A bit lengthy, but hopefully helpful, especially for those who will face Toma ahead.

https://youtu.be/cLF1nj03EDA
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You can overthink it until you are blue in the face :D
Lovely commentary. I totally agree with most tactic advice, I definitely did do more obvious moves in this one.

Also, better have an eye on archnemesis, who is my... archnemesis :p
 
Vlad said:
Group: C
Player A: xVladx // Draw // Killed Soldiers: 2 // Lost Soldiers: 2
Player B: smalltrouble // Draw // Killed Soldiers: 2 // Lost Soldiers: 2
Game ID: 1340049
Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/7vRxTmD9jyM

For posting these results, in a case where someone's FS name is different from their GAF one, which should I be using?
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Doesnt matter tbh. Maybe the gaf name makes more sense.
 
A Sentient Keyboard destroyed me in our second match... I blame the starting positions... and my bad playstyle ;)


Group: H
Player A: A Sentient Keyboard // Win // Killed Soldiers: 4 // Lost Soldiers: 1
Player B: The_Super_Inframan // Loss // Killed Soldiers: 1 // Lost Soldiers: 4
Game ID: 1340346


https://youtu.be/E7YkyECSdiA
 
The_Super_Inframan said:
A Sentient Keyboard destroyed me in our second match... I blame the starting positions... and my bad playstyle ;)


Group: H
Player A: A Sentient Keyboard // Win // Killed Soldiers: 4 // Lost Soldiers: 1
Player B: The_Super_Inframan // Loss // Killed Soldiers: 1 // Lost Soldiers: 4
Game ID: 1340346


https://youtu.be/E7YkyECSdiA
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GGs. That match felt like shotgun vs shotgun with artillery support. If I hadn't made the right call (read: flipped the right coin) on that first turn grenade, the match could've turned out way different.
 
Damn, I remember playing in the first tournament for this! I'll have to look into the beta for this.

Edit: Also just noticed CzarTim and Kalor in here. I'll cheer for you!
 
Played all my moves today, your turn guys.
 
A Sentient Keyboard said:
GGs. That match felt like shotgun vs shotgun with artillery support. If I hadn't made the right call (read: flipped the right coin) on that first turn grenade, the match could've turned out way different.
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yeah, but thats the nature of the game :)

GG!

Toma said:
Played all my moves today, your turn guys.
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A Sentient Keyboard and I still got no response from the other two players in our group, I hope they didn't forgot about this :)
 
Wok said:
We do not share the same timezone, so it is 2 moves per night for the first game.

Games are ongoing against everyone except Volodja.
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Thanks for the info, I am more worried about the two guys from group H anyway, but whatever. If nothing else happens, sentient and infra are going to have the easiest group phase ever. :p
 
Toma said:
I am onto your "How to beat Toma"-talk, Najaf. Trying to get nobody to notice how good you are actually playing. :p
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Ha-ha! Maybe next commentary I'll suggest the most arbitrary/random moves so no one can get a read on me!
 
Another one in the books. Good game CzarTim! Explosions everywhere.

Group: G
Player A: Najaf // Win // Killed Soldiers: 4 // Lost Soldiers: 2
Player B: CzarTim // Loss // Killed Soldiers: 2 // Lost Soldiers: 4
Game ID: 1340162
Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/UR4FBTxNuwI
 
Najaf said:
Another one in the books. Good game CzarTim! Explosions everywhere.

Group: G
Player A: Najaf // Win // Killed Soldiers: 4 // Lost Soldiers: 2
Player B: CzarTim // Loss // Killed Soldiers: 2 // Lost Soldiers: 4
Game ID: 1340162
Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/UR4FBTxNuwI
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Good games! I really should have practiced more before the tournament. I haven't played since the iPad version released.
 
CzarTim said:
Good games! I really should have practiced more before the tournament. I haven't played since the iPad version released.
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Well it looks like our fourth group member is MIA. So you may very well progress to the next round depending on your two matches with Swarley64. Good luck.
 
I haven't gotten match requests from everyone in my group yet so I'm going to send the rest out.

Are there specific rules I should put in? I'm not quite sure how to set things up with the invite.
 
Super Muffin said:
I haven't gotten match requests from everyone in my group yet so I'm going to send the rest out.

Are there specific rules I should put in? I'm not quite sure how to set things up with the invite.
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Nope, just Dark Extermination and go.
 
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