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[dskillzhtown]

Obviously we still have 3/4th of a year to go, but twitter has never had actual net income for a year.

From left to right 2011-2015

Their SG&A keeps climbing ,but nothing has come of it yet, unlike how corporations like Amazon keep low net income and low losses because of SG&A ,but are building innovation off of it.

Yes, and earlier this year they lowered their projections for user growth. Look, I use twitter but it isn't something for everyone. It isn't something that is going to get the mass appeal that Facebook has. It never will. People who go on Facebook are looking at pictures, getting family/friends updates, etc. Twitter by it's very design is for bite-sized pieces of content, on a mobile device. How in the hell do you monetize that on a grand scale?

Also, add the money they are paying to the NFL in a couple of seasons to broadcast games to the negative side of that ledger as well.

 

[Brinbe]

Who the fuck would invest in a thing that has no good idea how to build upon its platform in a meaningful way. NFL games is a stupid road

 

[FuuRe]

#jeSuisDennis
#camelCase
#oldmanyellsatcloud
#grandpa

 

[milanbaros]

It's sad to see Snapchat, a much younger product be monitized more effectively. Twitter are going out and buying NFL games instead because ?????

I think their line of thinking with the NFL is that it will get a captured twitter audience who are the prime advertiser target market.

If you are able to attract users in that group, and have them frequently watching the games on their mobile whilst fully engaging in twitter discussion of the match, you could bombard them with promoted tweets throughout.

 

[milanbaros]

Who the fuck would invest in a thing that produces no income

It's underlying income in positive, excluding extraordinary items. There is a business that can make money, just not as much as any of the investors hoped.

 

[Mr Nash]

It's only a matter of time before we enter an age where we can say something like, "Oh yeah, I remember Twitter."

 

[KidJr]

I'm echoing a sentiment I saw in the comments over at The Verge, but...

...maybe not every company needs to have an IPO.

They made $550 million with 4,000 employees. That's pretty rad.

Not sure what it would take to go private again, but if they were able to just keep on keeping on, and NOT try to be Facebook, and just do what works best for them and their userbase, they'd have a longer future ahead of them.

Why do you feel they are trying to be like facebook?

I mean the only I ask, I was at a tech meet up they were hosting and they went to great lengths to explain how they were not like facebook at all and will never be (recommendations etc)

 

[vern]

I've tried Twitter a few times and I still don't understand it. It makes zero sense to me and I actually enjoy quite a bit of social media. It's not a good platform for images or video, and for words from what I've seen it is a jumbled mess because of the character limit and posts being in chronological order of people you follow. I know that I'm using it wrong because otherwise it makes no sense why it's so popular.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

I've tried Twitter a few times and I still don't understand it. It makes zero sense to me and I actually enjoy quite a bit of social media. It's not a good platform for images or video, and for words from what I've seen it is a jumbled mess because of the character limit and posts being in chronological order of people you follow. I know that I'm using it wrong because otherwise it makes no sense why it's so popular.

I didn't "get" Twitter until ~6 months ago. My account was following things like video game publishers, reviewers and sites (along with actually interesting people here and there mostly from my career branch). When I tried to "get it" I noticed a pattern: most of my feed was just PR bullshit that I could easily (left unread) on NeoGAF too. I cut out everyone and everything that just spouted PR all around (even left some good novelty accounts to the mix) and Twitter suddenly got billion times more interesting.

This is hilarious in retrospect as I like to yell to people how they don't know how to use Facebook / Instagram / whatever on topics where they complain that Facebook is full of assholes and Instagram is full of ads, none of which applies to "my" experiences of the sites.

 

[StMeph]

Everybody Pound Dennis.

 

[Dennis]

Everybody Pound Dennis.

😳

 

[flyover]

I wish they hadn't gone public, so they'd have more freedom to think long-term and not have the pressure to be more successful than they may be capable of.

 

[Joe]

Even Twitter sucks at Twitter

https://www.twitter.com/twitter

They only follow 140 people (ha-ha get it?), and they have 55 million followers yet some of their tweets only have 200 retweets.

And this classic moment when a Twitter engineer saw a side of Twitter he didn't know existed... http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/6/10926816/twitter-employee-experiences-harassment-on-twitter

 

[Respect]

"Our new policy: A swear box."

 

[dave is ok]

Record profits if they did this.

 

[blast0rama]

Why do you feel they are trying to be like facebook?

I mean the only I ask, I was at a tech meet up they were hosting and they went to great lengths to explain how they were not like facebook at all and will never be (recommendations etc)

Focus on algorithmic timelines (which apparently didn't move the needle either way) and a need to be a billion user+ service, as opposed to focusing on their core.

Basically, they don't really like the user base they have - they want the user base that Facebook has.

 

[sflufan]

I'd say that Wall Street "gets" Twitter just fine - they just don't see the value proposition in it.

 

[dskillzhtown]

Even Twitter sucks at Twitter

And this classic moment when a Twitter engineer saw a side of Twitter he didn't know existed... http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/6/10926816/twitter-employee-experiences-harassment-on-twitter

And that resulted in them doing a campaign on twitter telling people about the Mute button. "If you are harassed or threatened, use the Mute button because we aren't going to do jack!"

 

[KidJr]

Focus on algorithmic timelines (which apparently didn't move the needle either way) and a need to be a billion user+ service, as opposed to focusing on their core.

Basically, they don't really like the user base they have - they want the user base that Facebook has.

What do you mean by this? they specifically dont use any form of ML etc. on their timelines which was something they wanted to make very clear. That was their way of differentiating themselves from fb that you control your content.

 

[liquidtmd]

A social media platform that initially had a massive overvaluation and is now declining?

WHAT SOURCERY IS THIS????

 

[Ominym]

Twitter is such a bizarre thing in that people agree it has undeniable social value, but in terms of actual profit no one can figure out how to make money off of it in a way that's not toxic to the platform.

I will say as remarked earlier in this thread, Snapchat is excelling in many ways where Twitter isn't keeping up. They should really be taking notes.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

December 26, 2013: TWTR closed at 73.31.

Right now: 14.99. (-80%)

 

[DEAD RABBIT]

They should monetize hate speech

They could organize special Hate Speech weekends or give out Hate Speech gift cards!

 

[Hari Seldon]

I have never found a use at all for twitter except for following breaking news (aka NHL trade deadline day). I guess it is good if you like to follow celebrities or someshit.