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I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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Last Crusade > Temple of Doom > Raiders >
Crystal Skull > Batman v Superman
Dash_Riprock
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Is this even a controversial opinion?
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Well, the Thor movies ARE dumpster fires though. I mean, they are awful. As is Ironman 3 and even 2 to a degree. As far as Im concerned there have been 3 great Superhero films
1. Civil War
2. Avengers
3. TDK
The rest is Ironman 1, Winter Soldier, Batman Begins, TDKR, GoTG and AoU. With alllll of the rest being below those. Thor movies in particular are like the worst part outside of that trash Hulk Movie. And I haven't yet watched AntMan
But these two? I mean, damn. Civil War was great man, and BvS is just... not in the territory of the greats. Its hard for me to see feeling that the movie was good. I laughed as everyone asked me after BvS who the Flash was in that dream sequence.... I hadn't realized, but BvS never explained who that was, nor the dream sequences at all. They just threw parademons and shit in there and didn't explain ANYTHING assuming 100% of people read the comics. Thats poor filmmaking man.
They aren't 6 movies deep here, this is merely their second film in their Universe. They need to keep the audience informed.
I dunno man....
Oh... LORD what the hell is this...
BadAss2961
Member
Begins falters before getting to Z. I loved the movie when I first saw it, but it feels dated now and doesn't quite hold up anymore.
I think Batman v Superman will be more rewatchable and have longer relevance. The story doesn't unfold nearly as well, but for starters, the Batman in BvS is just far cooler and more accurate. The Batman/Superman fight looks spectacular, and that warehouse fight is legendary material.
Batman 89 > TDK > BvS for me right now.
Nah, give me one.
No but seriously
Every superhero movie ever made is being added right now, but for me right now it's just about BvS and I just can't enjoy it. There are tons of reasons why the movie doesn't work as a stand alone thing and I think there enough posters discussing this in a normal way.
Sigh.
Every superhero movie ever made is being added right now, but for me right now it's just about BvS and I just can't enjoy it. There are tons of reasons why the movie doesn't work as a stand alone thing and I think there enough posters discussing this in a normal way.
Sigh.
You're not wrong. Quality kept going down with each new addition.
KOMANI
KOMANI
? You want me to give you an address? Are you homeless?
he's right, you know
Vicetrailia
Banned
Both are solid entertainment experiences. There's much more to complain about in bat vs Superman though. I just gotta look at both movies as "did I like the characters?", and "did the action engage me?". Both occurred so they weren't a waste of my time. If I think deeper than that then I'll be trashing both of them.
KOMANI
KOMANI
Sure. Nothing wrong with that either.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Meh, they're about even. At least Batfleck doesn't have throat cancer.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Saw this thread pop up awhile ago. Didn't go in. Was sure it'd be fuckery.
Saw it again about a minute ago. Said "Fuck it. Let's ogle for a sec."
Skipped to the last page.
Exit: Stage Left.
Saw it again about a minute ago. Said "Fuck it. Let's ogle for a sec."
Skipped to the last page.
Exit: Stage Left.
Dash_Riprock
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PadWarrior
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Civil War was much better. The character motivations were more acceptable and made more sense.
The Dark Knight improves on it in almost every way
acing, villains, action, etc.Boombloxer
Member
Heroes, not bad guys. Dude is paste.
This has come up before, but the website that explains everything away doesn't justify a bad movie.
I'm ignoring those, as well as the opinion that BvS is better than BB because it's too much shit to actually argue.
Well, the Thor movies ARE dumpster fires though. I mean, they are awful. As is Ironman 3 and even 2 to a degree. As far as Im concerned there have been 3 great Superhero films
1. Civil War
2. Avengers
3. TDK
The rest is Ironman 1, Batman Begins, TDKR, GoTG and AoU. With alllll of the rest being below those. Thor movies in particular are like the worst part outside of that trash Hulk Movie.
But these two? I mean, damn. Civil War was great man, and BvS is just... not in the territory of the greats. Its hard for me to see feeling that the movie was good. I laughed as everyone asked me after BvS who the Flash was in that dream sequence.... I hadn't realized, but BvS never explained who that was, nor the dream sequences at all. They just threw parademons and shit in there and didn't explain ANYTHING assuming 100% of people read the comics. Thats poor filmmaking man.
They aren't 6 movies deep here, this is merely their second film in their Universe. They need to keep the audience informed.
I dunno man....
Oh... LORD what the hell is this...
You didn't like the The Winter Soldier?
The Dark Knight improves on it in almost every way
It surpasses it in every way except the one that matters: Batman. They totally fucked Batman in TDK. Just an awful showing. Was worse in TDKR. Which is why I said Begins was the best Batman movie in Nolan's trilogy. Not the best movie.
This is an odd distinction to make considering what people survive in the comics. How many supervillains spawned from being just a bad guy that survives some impossible to survive event?
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Lord Virgin
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Hey, something we can agree on! (have seen TFA though, it was okay)
I can do better though: Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man are awful. If I could gather all the DragonBalls, I would wish to never have seen those movies.
Oh, then you are right about that!
The distinction I make, personally, is how Superman acted. He could have stopped the man in any number of ways, but driving him through mutliple walls demonstrates the mindset of Snyder's Superman to me. He's willing to kill when there could be other methods to solve a problem.
Yes, there are ways the man could have survived a super-powered being flying into him and forcing him through several walls, sure, but why would Superman do that in the first place?
What's awesome is that this discussion exists.
When I was a kid it was a pipe dream to see a superhero portrayed even remotely well in live action, let alone having dozens to compare with. Now everything is up there and I couldn't be happier.
(I like civil war more than BvS - it's about as far spectrum you can get for me with Civil War being top tier and BvS being bottom)
When I was a kid it was a pipe dream to see a superhero portrayed even remotely well in live action, let alone having dozens to compare with. Now everything is up there and I couldn't be happier.
(I like civil war more than BvS - it's about as far spectrum you can get for me with Civil War being top tier and BvS being bottom)
It was inappropriate considering the character. If what Snyder and Co say is true regarding his arc through Justice League I'll handwave it. As it is now I understand why it's not viewed fondly.
Saw this thread pop up awhile ago. Didn't go in. Was sure it'd be fuckery.
Saw it again about a minute ago. Said "Fuck it. Let's ogle for a sec."
Skipped to the last page.
Exit: Stage Left.
We're supposed to be two of a kind bobby. TWO OF A KIND
The voice was the only bad thing about Bales batman IMO. It was terrible They should have digitized it or something.
Eww you are right I missed that one. Thought it was in there. Its definitely alongside the other good films.
MisterHero
Super Member
You know what, Cap's allowed to be the 2nd Greatest Comic Book Hero of All-Time. A hero of his stature gets to have some of the best movies ever as well.
But he has to fight Batman for it.
They stare at each other but can't find an opening.
In b4 JLAvengers panel
But he has to fight Batman for it.
In b4 JLAvengers panel
CW shouldn't have made sense. But it did. Tony and Cap were buddy-buddy in all their previous movies, so it didn't make sense for them to fight each other. But man the script pulled it off, the writing made it believable when it shouldn't have been.
On the other hand, BvS should have made sense, but it didn't. Batman should have hated Superman for destruction of the city and just Supes being a killer. But yet it made no sense and was incomprehensible once it was put on screen. *sigh*
I don't know....what can you do
You'd be right!
Astral Dog
Member
Im not sure why people love the Batfleck he is a bully
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Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
They can all go jump off a cliff.
West Batman >>>>>all
Batfleck the greatest, no doubt.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
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Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
Think about this though; he went from Maggie to Anne...talk about an upgrade.
I used to think Batman's introduction in Begins was GOAT, but having rewatched it recently... What the bloody hell is even going on in this shot?
Also... I'M BATMAN.
I'm not going to say OP is wrong for holding this opinion, but I definitely find it odd and hard to wrap my head around.
Civil War just did everything better as far as I'm concerned.
Action? Nothing in BvS stands up to Civil War's airport scene. Civil War threw like a dozen characters into a big fight scene, and every single one of them had a purpose for being there and a standout moment. Whereas for the big final fight in BvS, it threw three heroes against one big bad, and had trouble giving just those three standout moments. Wonder Woman surprisingly had the best parts of the three, like the part where she blocks the lasers with her wristbands, and that other part where she blocks the laser with her shield, and then when she goes toe to toe with Doomsday. Superman isn't even there for most of the fight, and Batman hardly contributes outside of shooting Doomsday with Kryptonite gas that one time.
BvS did have the scene of Batman in the warehouse fucking up those dudes, but even that wasn't as good as the Black Panther/Bucky/Cap chase sequence, or the Cap/Bucky/Iron Man final fight.
Characters and story? Like I said, Civil War handles a dozen heroes better than BvS handles three. Every character's motivation and character arc is entirely clear and understandable from beginning to end. There is no awkward "MARTHA" moment.
And I thought it was ballsy that Civil War's final fight wasn't just, "Heroes reconcile their differences then team up to fight a bigger evil," like in BvS. It was orchestrated by Zemo, but the final fight was still heroes vs. hero. And Zemo won. He tore the Avengers apart.
Directing and editing? I thought BvS felt really awkward, more like a series of strung together scenes than a particularly coherent story. Civil War actually felt like a proper movie.
I went into BvS with low expectations and still came out disappointed. I went into Civil War with high expectations and still came out impressed.
Civil War just did everything better as far as I'm concerned.
Action? Nothing in BvS stands up to Civil War's airport scene. Civil War threw like a dozen characters into a big fight scene, and every single one of them had a purpose for being there and a standout moment. Whereas for the big final fight in BvS, it threw three heroes against one big bad, and had trouble giving just those three standout moments. Wonder Woman surprisingly had the best parts of the three, like the part where she blocks the lasers with her wristbands, and that other part where she blocks the laser with her shield, and then when she goes toe to toe with Doomsday. Superman isn't even there for most of the fight, and Batman hardly contributes outside of shooting Doomsday with Kryptonite gas that one time.
BvS did have the scene of Batman in the warehouse fucking up those dudes, but even that wasn't as good as the Black Panther/Bucky/Cap chase sequence, or the Cap/Bucky/Iron Man final fight.
Characters and story? Like I said, Civil War handles a dozen heroes better than BvS handles three. Every character's motivation and character arc is entirely clear and understandable from beginning to end. There is no awkward "MARTHA" moment.
And I thought it was ballsy that Civil War's final fight wasn't just, "Heroes reconcile their differences then team up to fight a bigger evil," like in BvS. It was orchestrated by Zemo, but the final fight was still heroes vs. hero. And Zemo won. He tore the Avengers apart.
Directing and editing? I thought BvS felt really awkward, more like a series of strung together scenes than a particularly coherent story. Civil War actually felt like a proper movie.
I went into BvS with low expectations and still came out disappointed. I went into Civil War with high expectations and still came out impressed.
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