Ooh, did you post these thoughts in there already? I must've missed it. Every time I go back there's like 3 new pages, lol.
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I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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Ooh, did you post these thoughts in there already? I must've missed it. Every time I go back there's like 3 new pages, lol.
brandonh83
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I've entered crazy town.
longdi
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Idk, the ending was pretty still the same #marvelplaysitsafe.
Maybe 'happy' is not the politically correct word here, but the ending of CW is very Disney + Marvel MCU still.
IMO, Avengers1 was still the best come-together movie. It got everything right, even the quips don't feel tiresome. Blackwidow actually out-tricks the god of trickster for example, and not everyone brawling their way around as their gimmicks. A1 even ended with a good anticipation of Thanos gonna wreck some death shit soon-est....
but #marvelplaysitsafe happened, and that Thanos threat was left hanging since
What does CW ending sets up? More stand-alone money sucking franchises.
It was about the same. Wonder Woman had the benefit of her theme. Panther was cool but he didn't do anything more impressive than her really.
Well, I'm much more interested in watching Batman v Superman again, but I don't know if that's high praise since that's mainly because I just want to watch the extended cut. I pretty much treat the Marvel stuff like a tv show at this point, and never feel an urge to go back and see them again. BvS was pretty amazing visually though; I can't believe they made another 'Bruce's parents die' scene and actually managed to make it one I loved, since I'm so sick of seeing it by this point. I did hate the Doomsday fight, but even though the airport fight was so much more fun I wish it had taken place in a less bland environment.
brandonh83
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His character was very well woven throughout the story and actually fought a lot. I cannot say either of these things about WW, who was practically there just to look cool for a little bit. Panther was developed and had a lot of participation and the Russos didn't have to have the camera linger on him for ridiculously long periods with cool music playing in order to make him cool.
longdi
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BP got off to a strong start in CW, but at the end of the show, his power levels felt lower than Cap, more along the lines with Bucky/BW/Hawkguy.
He didn't really develop but that's not a conversation for this thread.
How?? You're saying it was safe but not explaining what made it so. The majority of the ending is conspicuously different from what we've gotten from MCU finales in the past.
Isn't that the point of a shared cinematic universe ? As for the whole "playing it safe" angle, are we equating death count to risks here, because Marvel definitely didn't play it safe with this movie.
brandonh83
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You're right that it's not a conversation for this thread. I obviously can't really get into it further here, so let's agree to disagree.
Serpens007
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I'm with you.
Its not a great movie, but even though it had some really stupid moments, it never felt like a parody of itself like Civil War.
Its not a great movie, but even though it had some really stupid moments, it never felt like a parody of itself like Civil War.
You beat me to this. Maybe his issue is with the way these things are structured to move the narrative forward but there was very little "safe" about Civil War.
Prophet Steve
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I was assuming that the gas truck was a civilian, seeing the villains crash into it and seem pretty surprised, but I suppose it is possible it is another villain. I don't remember if there were driving cars around without villains in them and only knew he completely destroyed some of them, so I would have to see that part again. Even then it is a bit difficult to justify the deaths considering Batman is stealing kryptonite and I doubt they deserve death.
Boombloxer
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Nah. Her showing up after getting an email vs someone who is actually integral to the plot? Not buying it.
Not even close.
Flat out not true either. You said it's not a convo for the thread, but he actually has a small arc in the movie.
All least I could understand what BP was saying and his accent was fake.
Being a part of the plot and being integral to it are not the same thing. Panther could be completely removed and one minor change has to be made.
In every film, all the characters die. Even if they previously died, they are there again so that they can die. The villains also always win, then also die.
For well grilled steaks.
I really enjoyed both, I see Batman as a more experimental film which doesn't spoon feed you plot points leaving you to work stuff out for yourself.
Civil war was better structured as a standard movie which I was kinda like Meh, until they get to the thing at the end and Downey just fucking sold it. Awesome film and amazing way to destabilise everyone's idea thart Marvel play it safe.
Dont get me wrong, there were very few actual consequences to the films, but tbh I was happy that they could both play on my expectations and actually get me to think about what I was watching. Which is why I like comics, they talk about big concepts played out in a fantastical backdrop using lots of storytelling tools to express themselves.
So yeah I know I am in a minority but I liked them equally, I think they are really similar and in both stories the bad guy achieves his goal and the heroes are left dealing with the consequences.
Civil war was better structured as a standard movie which I was kinda like Meh, until they get to the thing at the end and Downey just fucking sold it. Awesome film and amazing way to destabilise everyone's idea thart Marvel play it safe.
Dont get me wrong, there were very few actual consequences to the films, but tbh I was happy that they could both play on my expectations and actually get me to think about what I was watching. Which is why I like comics, they talk about big concepts played out in a fantastical backdrop using lots of storytelling tools to express themselves.
So yeah I know I am in a minority but I liked them equally, I think they are really similar and in both stories the bad guy achieves his goal and the heroes are left dealing with the consequences.
I believe that is the poster who claimed such things as "Wanda has a happy ending cos like her powers are stronger and stuff".
In that level of rhetoric.
Schweinehund
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For me, it would involve having a great villain that actually impacts the protagonists. Just about all of them are either one and done forgettable or end up being comic relief (Hulk destroying Loki). I haven't seen Civil War yet still so I'm hoping this will be a bit better.
Super crazy town. I loved WW. But her brief combat cuts weren't shit compared to BP's. BP got way more screen time and WAY more character development and motivation than WW, its not even close.
They barely gave the woman lines in BvS.
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Yeah you see this.... It's objectively wrong. BP literally has an arc in the movie. Literally. You can not like his development, but to claim he had none is just objectively wrong. Its a criticism you could levy at WW actually. She wants a photo, steals tech, doesn't recover photo, gets photo later, shows up at fight. Done. But you can't say that about T'Challa.
Boombloxer
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Again, disagree. And if we're really arguing that Wonder Woman and BP did the same thing, then we're probably not going to agree. Spider-Man is a better example because he's basically a hired gun, but BP? Hell no.
Remove Panther and a good portion of the setup goes with it, among 1-2 other things (that I won't mention because I'm not spoiler tagging shit on my phone).
I guess I really am in the minority here because I thought her introduction was laughably overdone.
I would love to hear about this mystery arc. All he did was react to two pieces of news. That's like saying Wonder Woman borrowing Bruce's drive and giving it back when she couldn't open it was an arc.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Black Panther and Spidey shit on WW, easy.
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Man, I really didn't need to be reminded of that CGI drivel of a last act.
Spidey was cool, Black Panther was kind of just there, he was cooler than Cap, but that ain't hard. I think they will do a better job with him in is own movie. Wonder Woman was badass and her costume looked great I think. I know nothing about WW though, except that Rachel Bilson also makes for a hot Wonder Woman:
Boombloxer
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Really? It's amazing that you can see all of the arc in WW when BPs is cleared and stated out loud.
No they don't.
Well, it's the act with Wonder Woman. Whenever she was onscreen was pure joy.
I found BP very overrated (Still cool, but not in the "Holy shit I wanna buy everything BO now" the internet promised type of cool), and Spiderman really boring. The movie would have been the same without those 2.
yeah I totally didn't expect that 10% like BvS, I thought it'd be less. Pure shit is a bit harsh in any case I'd say. You can't deny it looks stylish. Isn't that the main argument of the people who don't like it? That it's just style with no substance?
I think there is plenty of substance, you just gotta think for a bit.
Ugh, I'm trying not to spoil it but since you're being so insistent.
He's told Bucky killed his dad and wants to kill him. Then he's told Bucky didn't kill his dad and that's that. The rest is fight scenes.
That's not an arc.
This made me laugh.
This pretty much applies to every character in Civil War with the exception of Spidey and Ant-man.
Well,
becoming King, preventing Bucky from escaping (leading to his brainwashing), getting over his fathers death and consequently keeping Zemo alive (who has been confirmed to reappear further down the line) as well as harbouring a frozen Bucky in Wakanda (which will no doubt be expanded upon later)
Boombloxer
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Wow lol, so you missed it.
I'm on my phone now, but if someone hasn't explained it by the time I'm at my computer, I will, since apparently it's so hard to grasp.
MasterMongoose
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Civil War is tied for my favorite MCU movie. Right there with Iron Man (1), and I slotted it even above Winter Soldier (whose plot was basically ruined to me externally since ol Sam Jackson is contracted for like 46 movies and the identity of the WS).
I loved it. The action was grounded and got more fleshed out than any scene in Avengers AoU, where it was just cut-guy looking cool-cut-girl looking cool, rinse repeat. The motivations were all well set up, although the fan servicey characters is a little more grating with each movie now. At least the new characters were better integrated than in AoU to me.
And then there's BvS. If you just cut out the entire Lois plot and added one or two more actual action scenes it would have gone from bad-medicore to maybe even good. It had some of the pieces and some cool parts.
I loved it. The action was grounded and got more fleshed out than any scene in Avengers AoU, where it was just cut-guy looking cool-cut-girl looking cool, rinse repeat. The motivations were all well set up, although the fan servicey characters is a little more grating with each movie now. At least the new characters were better integrated than in AoU to me.
And then there's BvS. If you just cut out the entire Lois plot and added one or two more actual action scenes it would have gone from bad-medicore to maybe even good. It had some of the pieces and some cool parts.
I assure you I missed nothing but it's fine. I'll wait for you to enlighten me to this character arc for Black Panther that was so integral to the plot.
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Lord Virgin
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Gadot barely had an accent and managed to hide it very well. English isn't my native language and I could understand her just fine.
I'm not crazy, you're all crazy!
I like you, DON'T do this!
I LOVED that part 
DedalusJoyce
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this is actually a conversation? Civil war is leagues above the shitshow that was bvs
C'mon,
he learns that holding onto vengeance is not a healthy path and overcomes his anger by capturing the man responsible rather than simply killing him, which would have been just as easy.
Basically in one movie Black Panther matures more than Batman does in a lifetime.
He's not anth0ny. Don't know who this guy is tbh but he doesn't like BvS very much.I like you, DON'T do this!I LOVED that part
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Lord Virgin
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Damnit, I need to stop looking at the avatars only.
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