Stellaris |OT| Imperium Universalis
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I mean, based on pretty much every other Paradox game of this ilk, especially the more recent ones, it's close to a guarantee that it's gonna get a lot of expansions.
vacantseas
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They're seeing a 6 by one site but entirely missing 9's being posted just about every other site.
Yeah that's right. No doubt at all things like diplomacy and trade will be fleshed out in the future.
Impulsor
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And fixes/improvements based on community feedback, hopefully.
Lactose_Intolerant
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I don't even know why people care if a game gets a good or bad review. There are tons of good games to play.
hobblygobbly
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The project lead said map modes will come in a patch after release, here was his tweet. https://twitter.com/rikardaslund/status/723211876688105473
Their strategy games have all been extensively supported for years, definitely.
Royal_Phalanx
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Paradox games don't really have specific victory conditions, they tend to leave it up to you to set your own goals so this doesn't bother me too much.
Forerunner
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Are you new to the gaming industry lol
Gamers are all about trashing a reviewer who played a game they haven't played.
mcz117chief
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If it came from Quarter to Three I wouldn't mind (I expect 1/5 from him) but IGN saying that the game is bad means that Paradox instantly lost thousands of potential customers. Gaming journalism is pretty powerful these days. Funny enough, I bought some low ranked games this year, like Yaiba Ninja Gaiden and Natural Doctrine and I love them, so I guess it can have an opposite effect but I am certain I am in the minority.
Vincent Grayson
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Because they have already decided that *this* (this being whatever game you're talking about, as it applies pretty universally) game is going to be great, so when a review says "It's not that great", they struggle to reconcile that information.
Nevermind that a review is just one person's opinion, and that if you must depend on reviews for validation, you should probably look more to the median scores.
Their expansions usually come with free improvements for the players that don't buy the expansions as well.
As much as the money angle can get quite heavy with time, their support is really good.
The project lead said map modes will come in a patch after release, here was his tweet. https://twitter.com/rikardaslund/status/723211876688105473
"if it turns out that our players really want it"
There's certainly no guarantee the community at large is anything like me in terms of preferences
Really? Because I get the sense gaming journalism is struggling to survive in the face of overwhelming competition from youtubers and streamers who show off games, allowing people to get a good sense of whether they'll like something or not.
ZombieSupaStar
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Well if the game helps someone like me who can't get into ck2, get into these types of games, then I'll be happy.
I really liked EUIV and CKII, but what really turned me off were the completely optional and very useful map modes."if it turns out that our players really want it"
There's certainly no guarantee the community at large is anything like me in terms of preferences
It's odd to think that people don't want them.
mcz117chief
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Good point, I mean, I probably wouldn't buy it if Angry Joe didn't do the preview of this game, which led me to the Blorg stream which totally hooked me.
HundredEyeMonk
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Map modes are a staple of Paradox games. They need to add them stat!
Also, the multiplayer community thread for those that missed it. Could use more NA player signups
Plan to start 1-2 weeks post release.
Also, the multiplayer community thread for those that missed it. Could use more NA player signups
Plan to start 1-2 weeks post release.Octavianus
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Yeah, what the hell. I feel like an alliance/federation map mode should have been there at least.
The one criticism that I can already make of the game is that compared to CK2 and EU4, the UI and general look is just not as luxurious.
I mean all those buttons and numbers everywhere and the actual graphic design of said buttons and of the maps and all that in those games is just mouth watering.
I mean all those buttons and numbers everywhere and the actual graphic design of said buttons and of the maps and all that in those games is just mouth watering.
HundredEyeMonk
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CK2 is still getting expansions/support to this day.
piratepwnsninja
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This is why I'm totally fine with the "expected more messiness" comment from the RPS review, because there is value in having a genre game that is more welcoming and doesn't throw it all at you at once. It's why I was comfortable buying my 9 year old a copy (I still expect her to have a rough go at it quite a few times, though). One could argue as to whether they should have had expanded features at launch with the ability to turn them on or off, but I'm confident they'll be adding a lot of things in post-launch.
hobblygobbly
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"if it turns out that our players really want it"
There's certainly no guarantee the community at large is anything like me in terms of preferences
True, I suppose the usage of map modes vary among players - I only use a core few of them in EU:IV for example but my friend uses every single one of them and insists that they are all fundamental to his gameplay. What map modes I'd like to see in Stellaris are diplomatic relations/embassies, alliance/federation, and also things related to ethos and the races that live in your empire. Also obviously map modes relevant to espionage and market when those DLC expansions inevitably come out.
Vincent Grayson
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Our hype train is bigger.
One is out today, one isn't. That, and UC games aren't something I'd want to watch right before playing, whereas a stream of this could be very helpful in learning the game.
Interesting to see the early reviews pretty split. OpenCritic average is currently 79, but the 6.3 and 7/10 from IGN/PCGamer stand out. Meanwhile, Eurogamer recommends it and Destructoid gave it a 9/10.
derExperte
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Our hype train is bigger.
I know, I know
I'm only in there for the baseball cap raffle.
Mgoblue201
Won't stop picking the right nation
The complaint wasn't articulated very well though. Why is it a problem that the AI will only attack when it's stronger? Isn't that we would expect it to do? And if the only reason to go to war is for the sake of expansion, as the reviewer claims, that's not an issue with the diplomatic system, but a fundamental disagreement on what kind of game this should be (and it's not like more limited war goals will ameliorate that problem). The fact that resources are balanced on a per planet basis is a fair criticism, although if Paradox designed it any other way, so that expansion was critical for resource acquisition, a pacifist play style would be much less appealing.
Poodlestrike
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No it doesn't. Alliance and federation map modes at the very least seem like they'd be hugely useful.
More_Badass
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It should be out in one hour: 18:00 CEST.
mcz117chief
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Alien: Isolation would like to have a word with you.
Oh yeah, but we were talking about Grand Strategy Games though
JustSomeone
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Still no GMG key 
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Deleted member 125677
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Sounds like the game could use a couple of patches from the reviews. This is not exactly shocking considering the deceloper's history
HundredEyeMonk
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Nah. Clearly if your hyped-game you haven't even played yet gets some critical reviews, it means the reviewer is just jank.
That's how the internet works.
Still no GMG key
I'm in the same boat...
And I just found out I missed out on the Platypus portrait by not playing that clicker game on the Stellaris site. Booourns. I guess if you snooze you lose.
But help me with the 3MA episode. From what I gathered (don't know anyone on the podcast except for Austin Walker) he seemd to always compare the game to EU4. Which is fine to a certain degree. And I think he didn't even get to the endgame events? Stopped at that point because I didn't want to spoil them for me.
Just curious if my impressions are right?
Shifty Capone1
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I have never really ordered anything from GMG. Do the keys usually get sent out at exact release or should I be concerned I haven't gotten one yet?
Red Arremer
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Still no GMG key
I heard that PDX told their non-Steam retailers to hand out the keys at 6 PM CEST.
Yeah, my complaints with EU4 (and likely Stellaris) are that the AI is bad at getting stronger so that it can actually compete with the player. I can't tell you the number of times in EU4 I have seen a nation like AI Ottomans just sit there and not do anything about tiny un-allied states on their borders that they could easily invade and annex. Passive AI is a major issue with EU4 and it looks like it is going to be an issue in Stellaris.
I think it is a valid comparison. Mid-game Stellaris is much more like EU4 than any of the other Paradox titles, and according to Kaiser suffers from many of the same issues.
Red Arremer
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If you have a Federation with various FTLs, you can use whatever tech you want for the Federation fleet. And if you don't use Hyperlanes, you can research a tech that lets you see the lane network. But you cannot swap between any of the 3 propulsion methods yourself.
There is of course the rare Jump Drive technology, but that can provoke the Unbidden.
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