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Ahh crap I need some advice. So things were going well with that girl but I feel like I might have once again overdid it. So after she told me she's free most of the time, I used the word public outing when giving date/hang out options. I suggested an awesome brewery downtown or asked if she mind if I hanged out and watched AD with her. No response since past midnight.

So I guess I'm asking if I should throw another text telling her I felt weird sending that or just lie in bed I made and hope for something later today?

I wish I was more confident in my texting game but even I cringed when I realized what I sent.
 
Yea, I know the feeling. I miss the little things for sure. The way she would always tell me to have a good day at work, and let me know that she's thinking of me. And my birthday is coming up, and she always made that so special. My birthday has never been an event that I cared about until she came in my life, and she made me feel like a king in a way. But that's the past. I fucked up and someone else will get those special things from her.

That's nice and all but come on man, it's zero effort to send out a "good morning" text and she probably put "effort" into your birthday because she wanted something to do.
 
Ahh crap I need some advice. So things were going well with that girl but I feel like I might have once again overdid it. So after she told me she's free most of the time, I used the word public outing when giving date/hang out options. I suggested an awesome brewery downtown or asked if she mind if I hanged out and watched AD with her. No response since past midnight.

So I guess I'm asking if I should throw another text telling her I felt weird sending that or just lie in bed I made and hope for something later today?

I wish I was more confident in my texting game but even I cringed when I realized what I sent.

Relax. It's after midnight. Let her sleep and don't freak out. It's just a word. As we usually say here, if saying one wrong word ruins everything, then maybe the relationship wasn't going as well as you thought?
 
Relax. It's after midnight. Let her sleep and don't freak out. It's just a word. As we usually say here, if saying one wrong word ruins everything, then maybe the relationship wasn't going as well as you thought?
Damn, you guys are good.

Alright, I'll let it cook. I need to realize not everyone in the world is glued to their phones and or checks their messages all the time. The convo was going well, so for it to go south just because I used some neurotic annotation seems somewhat absurd. I think what I need to learn is patience is a virtue and that sometime the convo isn't going to flow smoothly, it might be a little bumpy but you'll reach the destination if you both want to get there.

I really wish I didn't have paranoia when it comes to things like girls and sending messages, it's really killing my confidence.
 
Is it weird that I'm excited about going to events with my friends because it means I can "show off" my girlfriend? I mean of course I just want them to meet her so that she can be more introduced into my life, but there's also the factor that it makes me look good, sort of. I think my girl is really damn pretty and if she's willing to be with me (who is about average looking I'd say) then that says something about me in a way, it reflects well on me. I want to stress that her looks and that it makes me look good are obviously not the only reasons for me being with her, far from the most important reasons, but they're a bonus for me. Is this a toxic way of thinking?

This is weird, man. You're basically saying that your personal value and self-worth is increased just because you're dating a pretty girl. If you're exciting for her to meet other people in your life, great. You want to share those aspects of your life with her. But if you have this subconscious feeling that you're getting an ego boost by showing her off to people so they think you're cooler because she's hot... that's insecure and childish.
 
I got ghosted by a girl. Saw her at this event for a thing we are both involved in. It wasnt weird. Moral of the story? Go to the same place,dont mention the message, live your life. Yolo.

I'm in a similar situation. Girl invited me to a club, but then ghosted me. From what I've been able to figure out, it's a small venue und usually well-lit. And she's a regular. So there's no chance I could avoid her.
The place sounds really exciting, but now I don't dare to go there.

edit: For some reason I don't understand, shortly after being really, really down, my mood tends to improve dramatically. I'm gonna visit that club this week.
 
And she responded back, god dammit Blitz, be more confident in yourself. Made plans to meet at the brewery I suggested but she's on call tonight so we gotta wait but hey! At least I got a date :D
 
One minute things are going well, the next minute I want to slam my head against a fucking wall.

Fuck this.

Details would help.

what book(s) would be good to read to understand and improve social stuff?

It depends: what do you mean by "social stuff?" So, before everyone recommends Models and Modern Romance, I'll recommend two others: Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People and Peter Post's Essential Manners for Men.
 
I feel like there's only so much you can read and even then reading really won't prepare you for how to really interact and social. Unless you have a truly awful since so social awareness, you really just need to go out and put yourself out there and imo, that is better than any book and you'll progress at a faster pace as well.

It helps if you can surround yourself with people who are social as well, so as tired as the recommendation is, Meetup is a really good resource IF you can find a good group. I recommend the ones that are more geared towards being social, rather than specialized ones (like gaming or board games).
 
Details would help.



It depends: what do you mean by "social stuff?" So, before everyone recommends Models and Modern Romance, I'll recommend two others: Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People and Peter Post's Essential Manners for Men.

The website for the show Burn Notice used to have all these Spy Tips videos online, and some of them dealt with small talk, how to talk about sports when you don't know anything, and how to get better at telling lies (by practicing lying to new people you meet). They were awesome, and actually helped me a bit.
 
So GAF this is my first time posting in this thread and I need a little guidance! So tomorrow night at 8pm this girl and I who have been friends for a couple years are going out on a date. Shes 25, I'm 23, she drinks, and I don't. So the plan was even though I don't drink there's this brewery nearby that's open till like 11 and an Indie Ice cream shop that's open till 11 and a REALLY BOMB Pizza and hot dogs spot that's near bars so it's open till 3 am. The plan is her and I stop at indie ice cream spot get some ice cream, leave from there chill at the brewery, where she can have a bear or two and I'll drink like a sprite or some water and we can talk and hangout for like an hour or two, then hit up the pizza spot and eat outside on the sidewalk under the neon glare of the nearby bars. I just wanted to know what you guys think of the plan if it sounds cool. She's really cool shes down to earth, she likes good food and good ice cream and her and I have gone to this ice cream spot plenty of times before but this would be the first time as a date. It's going to be our first date and I kinda just want to make sure that I don't fuck it up.
All right so this date is in an hour wish me luck guys! I'll post back so you guys know how it went.
 
Kind of a meh night. Was gonna meet up with someone on pof, but plans got canceled.

My friends are busy tonight, and I'm stuck here in my room, cuddled up in my Zelda blanket that my ex made me, and looking at all the things she's made me in my room. I know I'm not being productive with letting all the memories flow. Maybe I need to box all these things up for a while.
 
So the date didn't happen.

She rescheduled for today a week ago and she hasn't responded since. Like who genuinely does that and thinks that's ok? Like prolonging the conversation and then straight up ghost the second time. She shouldn't responded the first time if she didn't wanna meet. Like I get it you're not interested, that's fine. But to give me this false hope and to just not say anything for like 3 days. It's infuriating.
 
Kind of a meh night. Was gonna meet up with someone on pof, but plans got canceled.

My friends are busy tonight, and I'm stuck here in my room, cuddled up in my Zelda blanket that my ex made me, and looking at all the things she's made me in my room. I know I'm not being productive with letting all the memories flow. Maybe I need to box all these things up for a while.

Throw out everything your ex made you. Trust me.

I had a huge argument with my ... uh, I guess ex-girlfriend ... about this, when she saw all of the things that I had from my ex-wife. It caused an argument that, truth be told, we never fully recovered from.
 
So the date didn't happen.

She rescheduled for today a week ago and then she hasn't responded since. Like who genuinely does that and thinks that's ok? Like prolonging the conversation and then straight up ghost the second time. She shouldn't responded the first time if she didn't wanna meet. Like I get it you're not interested, that's fine. But to give me this false hope and to just not say anything for like 3 days. It's infuriating.

If you have a date set up and the other person reschedules, reduce the level of communication until the date actually happens. You should also ideally be talking to, or trying to talk to other people. Don't become so invested in one person.
 
Next! Hard to care when you're talking to other people.
Very true, I've just got to get her out of my fucking head.

Details would help.
I've just being delusional about a girl I've had on my mind for over half a year (just typing that is depressing).

I mistook her actions in my drunken state last night, and just got pissed off with myself for even expecting anything to happen.

I suppose a lot of it is regret since I could've had something casual with her back in November, but after going on a date with her and after behaving stupidly (I detailed this back in November/December here) I know I'm "friendzoned".
 
Goddammit you guys. I'm finally getting over my ex-wife and this whole dating thing feels so foreign. Also I hate pretty much everything about my life, and I'm broke, so I am really hesitant to even put myself out there. I know I'm going to get the "work on yourself" advice but I feel like it's already too late for me, that by the time I am done working on myself it will new too late. It's fucking with my mind in a bad way.

Anyway I guess I'm not here for advice I wanted to vent, because I (briefly) met a girl (one of my sister's friends actually) and I think she's attractive, but it feels impossible. I haven't been interested in dating in a while and suddenly being interested has really amplified some depression about my life.

Thanks for letting me vent.
 
but I feel like it's already too late for me, that by the time I am done working on myself it will new too late.

Too late for what? How old are you?
Why can't you meet someone along the way anyway? It can be an attractive quality that someone is actively working to better themselves, lots of people are stagnant in their personal development.
 
Throw out everything your ex made you. Trust me.

I had a huge argument with my ... uh, I guess ex-girlfriend ... about this, when she saw all of the things that I had from my ex-wife. It caused an argument that, truth be told, we never fully recovered from.

Oh dear. I'm sorry to hear that AD.
 
Kind of a meh night. Was gonna meet up with someone on pof, but plans got canceled.

My friends are busy tonight, and I'm stuck here in my room, cuddled up in my Zelda blanket that my ex made me, and looking at all the things she's made me in my room. I know I'm not being productive with letting all the memories flow. Maybe I need to box all these things up for a while.

This is a very nuanced subject. When you find yourself cuddled up with a blanked that's primarily a blanket your ex made, then it's not a way to process anything, and rather a way to hold on to something. Some other things you have to take back for yourself. Those things are normally things like series you used to watch together. You have to make it only yours again. Other things you might want to keep to keep up with the natural ebb and flow of memories. It's not like you have to throw out everything she got you. If she got you a game, and it's not "Oh, my ex gave me this", then that's not necessarily something you throw away. So long as things are not primarily "oh, my ex gave/made me this", then you can conquer it back. Perhaps even in time you'll let that part of you go, yourself, and then throw it away. It's a long road. if you feel like throwing everything out do it. If you feel like keeping some things, that's understandable too. When you do meet someone else and you get serious, it's definitely time to chuck everything that has any connotation to your ex out.

Throw out everything your ex made you. Trust me.

I had a huge argument with my ... uh, I guess ex-girlfriend ... about this, when she saw all of the things that I had from my ex-wife. It caused an argument that, truth be told, we never fully recovered from.

It should never be like that. The other person should respect that the ex-wife still is a big part of who you are. Not in the sense that you have feelings or anything like that, but that that person shaped you and was the biggest person in your life for so long. The memories and the stuff shouldn't have to be locked away in a sort of "I don't want to hear about that" side of your life. But at the same time, it's perfectly OK to be set aback by finding out you kept so much. Without understanding who was more adamant about what, or how the argument transpired, you shouldn't be adamant about not throwing it out, nor should she be adamant about you having to throw it out. It needs to go both ways, and the most leeway should go to the one that needs it the most. How did it come to be a thing you didn't recover from?

So the date didn't happen.

She rescheduled for today a week ago and she hasn't responded since. Like who genuinely does that and thinks that's ok? Like prolonging the conversation and then straight up ghost the second time. She shouldn't responded the first time if she didn't wanna meet. Like I get it you're not interested, that's fine. But to give me this false hope and to just not say anything for like 3 days. It's infuriating.

Seems like you have your answer. It's not how you want to be treated. Let her know, or move on. Or both. You should always stand up for yourself in a matter like that. What you said is right on the money on what you would say to her. It's perfectly fine if she's not interested, but it's not treating you with respect to treat you like that. I always like people who do that. I remember so well when one of my closer friends one day told me "I've been waiting around for you today, and you should've let me know earlier. I've blown of others for you, today. I don't mind that you aren't able to come, but I do mind waiting around". He's really lenient and understanding, but he lets you know when you're overstepping his boundaries. It's a strong quality, and one we all should do, for the sake of ourselves.

Goddammit you guys. I'm finally getting over my ex-wife and this whole dating thing feels so foreign. Also I hate pretty much everything about my life, and I'm broke, so I am really hesitant to even put myself out there. I know I'm going to get the "work on yourself" advice but I feel like it's already too late for me, that by the time I am done working on myself it will new too late. It's fucking with my mind in a bad way.

Anyway I guess I'm not here for advice I wanted to vent, because I (briefly) met a girl (one of my sister's friends actually) and I think she's attractive, but it feels impossible. I haven't been interested in dating in a while and suddenly being interested has really amplified some depression about my life.

Thanks for letting me vent.


It's already too late for you to work on yourself? Because you feel you won't be able to change? Also, it's not as cut and clear that "you need two years before your ready", or anything like that. Why would it be too late by the time you've worked on yourself? What do you see 'working on yourself' implies?
 
Goddamn I forgot how much breaking up with someone sucks... Been together 'only' six months but it's been a rough two days.

I'm not sure what caused your break up, but if she's moving on, go full NC. Don't do what I did and beg and plead like a fool.
 
Anyway I guess I'm not here for advice I wanted to vent, because I (briefly) met a girl (one of my sister's friends actually) and I think she's attractive, but it feels impossible. I haven't been interested in dating in a while and suddenly being interested has really amplified some depression about my life.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Why does it feel impossible? How old are you? Don't let these negative feelings eat away at you. They're all in your head!
 
Damn I don't know what it is but I attract women that love to vent to me about everything they're going through, I don't mind since I'm an information sponge but I'm just shocked at the amount of details some of these girls go through. Wasn't I taught to keep things minimal when starting to know someone? She only knows my name, occupation, and hobbies (not going to tell her about the 41 yr fwb I had) while she has told me about encounters from her job and she's dealing with some shit.

She's a social worker for adults with mental illness and she's also on call at times. So there's that.

Somewhat random but has anyone ever dated a social worker or someone who's on call a lot? How'd you handle it?
 
Throw out everything your ex made you. Trust me.

I had a huge argument with my ... uh, I guess ex-girlfriend ... about this, when she saw all of the things that I had from my ex-wife. It caused an argument that, truth be told, we never fully recovered from.

I definitely won't throw them away, because these are paintings, blankets, and crafted items that she made to my hobbies that took a lot of time and love. I know it's stupid, but I can't throw them out. I'll definitely box them away for a long time
 
I'm not sure what caused your break up, but if she's moving on, go full NC. Don't do what I did and beg and plead like a fool.

She wasn't where I was. I'm not going NC. I think (and experienced) that it's bullshit to go NC, since there's a reason I was with her and that's because she's an awesome person. Me wanting to hang out with her doesn't change that fact and once I get a bit of space and am able to move on, I'm perfectly capable of hanging out with her. I've done it before and I can do it again. I've just lost a relationship, I'm not planning on losing a dear friend as well.

I won't beg, I won't plead. I can't force her feelings.

Also, I get that this is different for everyone.
 
I definitely won't throw them away, because these are paintings, blankets, and crafted items that she made to my hobbies that took a lot of time and love. I know it's stupid, but I can't throw them out. I'll definitely box them away for a long time

When you box them away, you keep in the back of your mind "what shall I do with them?" At best, you throw them away at a later date. Then you've perhaps kept yourself hung up on it for too long. If you read your post again, you might also see things hinting at you not being able to let her go. That's in part why we throw the most pertinent ex stuff away, right away. Your life has changed. Let the things in your life depart with your feelings, lest you get the two confused.
 
It should never be like that. The other person should respect that the ex-wife still is a big part of who you are. Not in the sense that you have feelings or anything like that, but that that person shaped you and was the biggest person in your life for so long. The memories and the stuff shouldn't have to be locked away in a sort of "I don't want to hear about that" side of your life. But at the same time, it's perfectly OK to be set aback by finding out you kept so much. Without understanding who was more adamant about what, or how the argument transpired, you shouldn't be adamant about not throwing it out, nor should she be adamant about you having to throw it out. It needs to go both ways, and the most leeway should go to the one that needs it the most. How did it come to be a thing you didn't recover from?

Oh, it happened a few months ago, and I discussed it in this thread previously. But it did cause lingering resentment on my girlfriend's part. What we're going through now, which is more time apart, is unrelated to that argument, and we'll see how it goes. On the other hand, I did throw things out -- there's really no need whatsoever for me to have a picture of my ex-wife standing on my bookcase. So, for better or worse, that was a positive step forward.

When you box them away, you keep in the back of your mind "what shall I do with them?" At best, you throw them away at a later date. Then you've perhaps kept yourself hung up on it for too long. If you read your post again, you might also see things hinting at you not being able to let her go. That's in part why we throw the most pertinent ex stuff away, right away. Your life has changed. Let the things in your life depart with your feelings, lest you get the two confused.

Yep, this is true. It took me a long time to be able to sort things out. Honestly, I'd never wanted to get back together with her, so that angle wasn't in play, but I truly wasn't ready to move on and commit myself to someone else until recently, which manifested in purging my apartment of the things we used to share. Obviously, some things I kept, like kitchen stuff. But bedsheets? Pictures? The stuffed animal she gave me that cutely caught fire and had a singed nose? Oh, they were gone.
 
Oh, it happened a few months ago, and I discussed it in this thread previously. But it did cause lingering resentment on my girlfriend's part. What we're going through now, which is more time apart, is unrelated to that argument, and we'll see how it goes. On the other hand, I did throw things out -- there's really no need whatsoever for me to have a picture of my ex-wife standing on my bookcase. So, for better or worse, that was a positive step forward.



Yep, this is true. It took me a long time to be able to sort things out. Honestly, I'd never wanted to get back together with her, so that angle wasn't in play, but I truly wasn't ready to move on and commit myself to someone else until recently, which manifested in purging my apartment of the things we used to share. Obviously, some things I kept, like kitchen stuff. But bedsheets? Pictures? The stuffed animal she gave me that cutely caught fire and had a singed nose? Oh, they were gone.

Although I understand why some people feel this way, this has never been the case for me. I still have stuff my first girlfriend gave me. We don't really talk anymore (except for a happy birthday via text or something) and I have absolutely no interest in ever getting back with her. I'm the one that broke up with her.

That being said, I cherish the stuff she gave me because to me they are part of my life, part of an important period and part of a lot of happy memories. They make me reflect on life, on how much I've changed over the years and how different I am now compared to back then. That doesn't mean I can't move on from her, to me it just shows that I used that experience to grow as a person and these are the objects connected to that change.
 
I'd back off, as you said you did in your last post. You've expressed your interest in her, now it's on her to decide what she's going to do. Definitely wouldn't wait on her, though. There are plenty of women out there without this type of baggage - and this seems like a drama-induced train wreck in the making.

I guess when it comes to uprooting one's life (for any reason), there is no simple solution. A person either has the courage and willpower to take the risk and see where it goes, or they don't. Depends on how much that person values the potential shift in their life. In this case, it seems her 8 years of comfort and security will overpower her strong emotions for you.

Yesterday, after four days of radio silence (and her still showing up at my gym, because I said that wouldn't be a problem) she sent me another text message. I was fully prepared to not wait for her, though breaking of all contact really fucking sucked. (profanity for extra emphasis)

Her text said the last couple of days she felt the most miserable she's been in recent years. When we cut contact I had told her she had to choose. She said that because of the way I made her feel there really wasn't much of a choice between me and her boyfriend. Though it was also a choice between me and her entire current, comfortable life (including her boyfriend). She wasn't sure what to do, but she didn't want to lose me.

So she contacted me, said she couldn't deal with not talking to me. I said we could still talk, but we have to keep it completely clean. And those boundaries are hard to keep. Really hard. Today I went cycling sixty kilometers, as preparation for a cycling holiday. To an island which was the inspiration for her favorite book, that she lent me. She asked if she could come. Sure, no problem. We kept talking throughout all six ours were together. We kept it clean.

But when she was standing five centimeters from me when we were locking our bikes I just wanted to hold her. The chemistry and tension are through the roof. When we parted ways all we did was hug each other goodbye shortly. I thought I was going to melt right then and there. On the way back I asked her what her dream house would be. She said she came across something when looking for places in our city. For when she would move out of her boyfriends apartment.

The decision she has to make is not an easy one. It's sort of dragging on, and I wish she'd have broken up yesterday...but I have no clue how fast something like this is supposed to go. How something like this is supposed to go. But it sounds like she is making her choice.

R-U-N! That's all I can say. Play it out if need be, but if it doesn't pan out the way you want it to, do not let it defeat you.

I was in a situation where I was the other guy that came in to the girl's life. One of those "beautiful mess" "complicated and messy" girls, I felt I could see who she was despite the drama in her life.

The person she was with was in a complicated situation of his own, dealing with ex partners so she was not comfortable in that relationship. I treated her with respect and she was able to be herself with me. In line with the "Disney" talk I posted above, we both had identical hopes and dreams in the future. While the dreams she had, would never happen with the person she was with.

I kept hoping the situation would solve itself, she'd end it with the other person and continue on the path with me.... but it never happened. She claimed everyone (family members, roommates, work friends etc) saw me as the better package deal (no baggage, while the other guy had tonnes of it and lots of drama, including ex baby mama-drama). I met her previous roommates that said so themselves!

I do concede that she was not used to being put on a pedestal - something I did because of how I felt about her. The thing was I didn't expect a lot from her, only to be herself. I would tell her regularly how I felt about her, which was important to me as I rarely had someone that "close" to me to be able to share those feelings with (relationships are few and far between lol). And doubly important as with her past history she had guys walk all over her, in her dating life.

There were other troubling signs as easy as she gravitated to me, once "bored" she'd easily gravitate towards someone else. I was foolish and stupid in believing things would work out and we'd have the happy ever after.

Sorry to hear that didn't work out. It sucks to care so much about someone and to see her be with someone else. Especially when you, and everyone else, can see that you two would be better of together. And did you put her on a pedestal, or were you just being objectively honest about the things you liked about her?

I won't go waiting around for this girl. If she does chose her current boyfriend, however unlikely it might seem now, I'll be a wreck for a while but meh...I've been disappointed a bajillion times before in my life. It'll suck, but I'll survive and move on.

And I'm not waiting on her now. She knows how I feel. She knows how she feels. I've told her she's pretty freaking awesome (she is: today I explained her how StarCraft2 works, and what I like about watching SC2 games on youtube, and she was sincerely interested). Perhaps I'm putting her on a pedestal, but I know what I like, and who deserves to be on my pedestal.

And she does. This girl is not a beautiful mess. Her life was pretty decent and she was pretty happy with it before she met me. She doesn't do drama. I created it . Which I'm really sorry for. But I've made it clear how much I like her. We keep communicating. So I'm not waiting on her to leave her boyfriend without knowing where she's at. About your last sentence: I'm sort of hoping the same thing (also a bit of a hopeless romantic) and though we're not there yet we seem to be on the right track for now. And I'm holding on to two sayings: I'd rather be an optimist who's a fool, than a pessimist who's right. And: it's better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all. And today was such an awesome freaking day...perhaps already worth the trouble.
 
Too late for what? How old are you?
Why can't you meet someone along the way anyway? It can be an attractive quality that someone is actively working to better themselves, lots of people are stagnant in their personal development.

I'm 32. Too late to get my shit in order and meet someone, have a family eventually, etc.

It's already too late for you to work on yourself? Because you feel you won't be able to change? Also, it's not as cut and clear that "you need two years before your ready", or anything like that. Why would it be too late by the time you've worked on yourself? What do you see 'working on yourself' implies?
Main things are massive amount of student loan debt and being overweight. I have to live with my parents right now because the burden is so high, and even then I don't really have steady work. The idea was to live with them to make some progress toward paying them down, but combined with the other issues in my life right now (severe depression) it's been tough. Anyway a lot of things combine to make it so I can't afford much, which dating kinda requires usually.

It's a lot of things piled up and it just feels like by the time I get things in order I'll be 40 or something and still struggling.

Why does it feel impossible? How old are you? Don't let these negative feelings eat away at you. They're all in your head!

I'm trying! I've been dealing with depression for the last couple years, and I think my meds are finally getting to a point where I can do "normal people things" again, but that's bringing back a whole new set of anxieties and things to be depressed about.
 
I'm 32. Too late to get my shit in order and meet someone, have a family eventually, etc.

I hear ya on everything else, but I just want to make it clear - 32 is still early days. Don't throw in the towel so easy. In 3 years time, if you fight for it, you could be in a completely different better place. Meet a girl a few years younger than you and you're set.
 
I hear ya on everything else, but I just want to make it clear - 32 is still early days. Don't throw in the towel so easy. In 3 years time, if you fight for it, you could be in a completely different better place. Meet a girl a few years younger than you and you're set.

I'm 32 myself and while I'm not where I want to be exactly life has only been on the upswing for me this past year.
 
Went for coffee and just got roasted by my date for assuming her dog Nigel was male (she wasn't). bah

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