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[Applemancer]

I don't get the "This industry can be super shitty" statement.
People drugging other's drinks to take advantage or abuse them is the kind of despicable shit that takes place in a moltitude of different events.

Doesn't make it untrue. Yes, women are endangered by horrible people in almost every social sphere. That doesn't make it wrong to call it out. You can't change anything if you don't acknowledge you see a problem.

Edit: also, forgot to say, this community in particular has a history of abuse toward women specifically, as we've seen in the past two years, so it's not unbelievable that the number and severity of incidents would prompt such dejected cynicism.

 

[mdzapeer]

Did he go the hospital to get checked out? Having those effects for 2 days cant be good.

 

[Mr Git]

Fucking hell, that's horrendous. Also that Laura Kate taxi story jesus christ.

 

[Ferr986]

Oh man, this is fucking terrible.

And of course the gators are going all against him on twitter. Fuck all of this shit.

 

[superbeau]

In this day and age, if you need to be reminded of this from social media, you probably shouldn't be going out in the first place. This should be common sense.

Honestly, People spend so much time ON social media now a days that is probably when these assholes are drugging the drinks in the first place. Wouldn't even surprise me if it is more often than not someone within the same social circle.

You're a pig.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Jesus Christ. This was the last thing i expected to be reading. But as someone here already said, messed up people can be anywhere. Absolutely crazy stuff.

 

[Hypereides]

That's some messed up shit.

 

[David Ricardo]

Wow that Laura story is scary, it's one reason I don't get the whole uber thing it seems a good service from what I read but it seems unsafe to me, in the uk or where I live calling a taxi you're pretty safe as it's an industry that's pretty toughly regulated. I hope she's ok she's one of the good ones out there in games media.

I've never used uber, but according to their website, she knows the name and plate number of the driver. If she dissapeared, the police would know exactly who was the last person she was with.

 

[Appollowexx]

This is terrible but it's actually happened to me before. I was hanging out with a big group at a nightclub last year, we all left our drinks on this table near where we were dancing. I ended up behaving very strangely and didn't have full control of my body, the next few days my head was all over the place and I couldn't think straight. Shitty people out there but it just shows - never let go of your drink (especially in a club). Glad no one was hurt in this situation though.

 

[Leopold]

I've never used uber, but according to their website, she knows the name and plate number of the driver. If she dissapeared, the police would know exactly who was the last person she was with.

It is quite bizarre that people find a way to blame Uber, a service that tracks the car, gives you the license plate, name and picture of driver. More bizarre is the fact that you don't have any of those guarantees with a cab but people are willing to trust that "they're regulated" in order to keep you safe.

 

[Jackpot]

Suddenly your post history makes perfect sense.



and your numerous posts in a thread called "Report: More Women Own Videogame Consoles Than Men in US" insisting that the statistics must be flawed

Boom, headshot.

 

[wildfire]

You should be able to block people on mobile is the major vibe I'm getting from a few people in here.

This is the vibe I get on occassion after reading the posts of certain sexism deniers.

 

[wildfire]

I'm always extremely dubious when I see claims of people having been spiked with rape drugs. It's effectively an urban myth, as numerous studies have shown the prevalence of it is minuscule. It does happen, but the rate of people falsely claiming they, or people they know, have been spiked is massive.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-rape-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend.html

A major US study with over 1100 people self reporting that they'd been spiked only found this was true in 0.5% of the time. Predominantly, people just had elevated alcohol levels.

A three year study in the UK at a hospital tested people coming in saying they'd been spiked. Results were the same as the US, with only 2% having a positive result, the rest were just drunk or had mixed booze and recreational drugs.

So the dude in question could be part of the 0.5%-2% where what he's saying is true, but far more likely just drank too much or mixed his booze with prescription or recreational drugs.

Interesting pair of evidence to bring forward but I question the idea of separating drugs people buy commonly from what is accepted as rape drugs. If what you want to call recreational drugs are nearly as effective as date rape drugs there isn't a market to buy specialized tools which are going to be harder to find and more expensive to acquire.

It would be nice if the article went over the percentage of alcohol over usage to determine how low getting knocked out by drugs themselves is.

 

[lazygecko]

I am struggling to wrap my head around the kind of mindset for people who engage in this shit and just the daterape "culture" in general. Do they just go to bars and pick out strangers at random? Or is it usually someone they already know? And then, how do they even get away with it if they do manage to drug someone? Won't the victim's friends/colleagues take notice? And where do they even get the kind of narcotics needed? And isn't mixing that stuff with alcohol very dangerous? It seems like a lot of commitment and planning is needed to go through with all of this, so it's not some kneejerk in the moment decision and they have plenty of time to think about what kind of heinous act they're doing, so there must be some really twisted rationalization going on in their heads.

 

[CLEEK]

Interesting pair of evidence to bring forward but I question the idea of separating drugs people buy commonly from what is accepted as rape drugs. If what you want to call recreational drugs are nearly as effective as date rape drugs there isn't a market to buy specialized tools which are going to be harder to find and more expensive to acquire.

It would be nice if the article went over the percentage of alcohol over usage to determine how low getting knocked out by drugs themselves is.

There are a bunch of studies have been done, and they've all found the same thing. The vast majority of people brought into hospital with date rape drink spiking just had alcohol in their system. A number had taken recreational drugs. A tiny number had date rape drugs present. Another article discussing it here, with reference to yet another study.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...ate-rape-drug-facilitated-sexual-assault-dfsa

In 2005, forensic scientists Michael Ham and Fiona Burton tested blood and urine for telltale markers of various drugs in 1,014 cases in the UK where DFSA was suspected. The drug most commonly found was alcohol, often in high concentrations. Just over a quarter of the cases in the study tested positive for recreational drugs, including cannabis, ecstasy, cocaine, amphetamines and heroin.

The conclusion was that only 21 of the 1,014 accounts could be classified as potential DFSA cases. Even in such cases, the authors noted it was “ … not always possible to obtain sufficient information to decide whether or not the complainant had taken the drug voluntarily”.

There are a bunch of drugs that react badly with alcohol, from anti-anxiety meds to sleeping pills, to party drugs. In light of the rarity of drug facilitated sexual assault, I'd imaging the dude at E3 mixed a lot of booze with other meds, especially if he reported the effects lasted 2 days. Rohyponol, GBH and K don't do this, they last 4-12 hours and you just feel a little groggy afterwards.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Something like this happened to my father a few years ago at a company party at a public bar. Like yeah, obviously meant for a girl but we were pretty freaked out since we thought it may fuck up some of the medication he was on. He was similarly out of it for a few days and yeah, the bar reported it happened to the authorities. Nobody got caught.

Fuck anyone saying this isn't a real occurrence that happens.

 

[striferser]

WTF, that's fucked up.

 

[TheBowen]

I am struggling to wrap my head around the kind of mindset for people who engage in this shit and just the daterape "culture" in general. Do they just go to bars and pick out strangers at random? Or is it usually someone they already know? And then, how do they even get away with it if they do manage to drug someone? Won't the victim's friends/colleagues take notice? And where do they even get the kind of narcotics needed? And isn't mixing that stuff with alcohol very dangerous? It seems like a lot of commitment and planning is needed to go through with all of this, so it's not some kneejerk in the moment decision and they have plenty of time to think about what kind of heinous act they're doing, so there must be some really twisted rationalization going on in their heads.

These people are fucked up no question, but from what i assume i think they just pick someone at random then try to just force them to come home with them or something and force sex/whatever fucked up shit these people want to do and then hope in the morning the other person just assumes they were really drunk and had some kind of hangover.

And i assume the friends may just think its all consensual if they themselves are drunk, but this is only really applicable to a club or some shit. Again someone correct me if im wrong but thats the most logical solution i could understand.

Its fucked up that this kind of stuff happens anywhere, yet alone at an industry event where people are here to talk with collegues and network with companies.

 

[Shanlei91]

This isn't even the only horrible thing that happened at E3. Laura Kate describes her Uber experience thusly...

Creepy that the driver didn't stop. But it's also weird for the passenger to not say anything for 40 minutes along the lines of "you're going the wrong way". A Lyft driver drove past my hotel once (marking me as dropped off) and I immediately yelled at him to turn around. Is there a place with the full story?

 

[Trojita]

My friend was drugged at a bar. He doesn't even know why. He handles alcohol really well and after 2 beers he started feeling like he was losing control of his limbs and consciousness. He's a tough guy and he said it was pretty scary.

Don't know if someone was planning on taking advantage of him sexually or some people do this just to troll people for no fucking reason and ruin their night.

 

[Rudimental]

My friend was drugged at a bar. He doesn't even know why. He handles alcohol really well and after 2 beers he started feeling like he was losing control of his limbs and consciousness. He's a tough guy and he said it was pretty scary.

Don't know if someone was planning on taking advantage of him sexually or some people do this just to troll people for no fucking reason and ruin their night.

We've had a few syndicates here in South Africa whose members spiked drinks in order to go home with people and then rob them of valuables and their cars. We've also had cases where people spiked the drinks of others out of spite or jealousy, though iirc that was women spiking the drink of other women.

 

[Weltall Zero]

It's never all right guy.

It takes a fucked up kind of person.

It's only OK if you're a guy and that makes you hot apparently.

Who the fuck said anything about it being OK in any case? Seriously, it's the second time you've said this, and it would be an understatement to say I'm utterly baffled as to how or who you think is making that argument. What the fuck, man?

Something like this happened to my father a few years ago at a company party at a public bar. Like yeah, obviously meant for a girl but we were pretty freaked out since we thought it may fuck up some of the medication he was on. He was similarly out of it for a few days and yeah, the bar reported it happened to the authorities. Nobody got caught.

Fuck anyone saying this isn't a real occurrence that happens.

B-but GAF looked it up on Wikipedia and told me you can't possibly feel the effects a few hours after the fact! You must be lying because reasons!

Spoiler

/s

 

[ymgve]

There are a bunch of studies have been done, and they've all found the same thing. The vast majority of people brought into hospital with date rape drink spiking just had alcohol in their system. A number had taken recreational drugs. A tiny number had date rape drugs present. Another article discussing it here, with reference to yet another study.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...ate-rape-drug-facilitated-sexual-assault-dfsa

Spiking drinks with extra alcohol is a thing that happens, so someone having "just" alcohol in their system doesn't mean their drinks weren't spiked.

 

[Shanlei91]

We've had a few syndicates here in South Africa whose members spiked drinks in order to go home with people and then rob them of valuables and their cars. We've also had cases where people spiked the drinks of others out of spite or jealousy, though iirc that was women spiking the drink of other women.

Not spiking involved, but it reminds me of the bus from NYC to North Jersey I used to take when I lived in NJ. There is the legitimate bus you can take and then there are smaller non-policed vans outside that do the same trip for less cash. At a certain stop, near basically nothing except a long stretch of park, if the driver is done for the night, the driver will dump anyone passed out on the bus onto the stop. There were guys who would sit in the back of the bus waiting for this to happen so they could rob the passed out drunks they threw out. I remember when growing up I would hear about bodies found in the park and never really pieced it together until I heard about the vans.

 

[GhostBed]

Creepy that the driver didn't stop. But it's also weird for the passenger to not say anything for 40 minutes along the lines of "you're going the wrong way". A Lyft driver drove past my hotel once (marking me as dropped off) and I immediately yelled at him to turn around. Is there a place with the full story?

He knew he was driving past her place, he hit the button that would confirm he had dropped her off. I doubt speaking up would have done anything, not to mention she was probably scared out of her mind. Uber rides are a lot different for women than men.

 

[mikefrails]

And of course, Gamergate assholes like Milo and others call him a liar. Don't check the comments if you value your sanity. Will's response:

Is "gamergate" just the catch all for "person who takes a stance I don't agree with?"

 

[aeolist]

Is "gamergate" just the catch all for "person who takes a stance I don't agree with?"

people like milo yiannopoulos and his followers are specifically associated with gamergate and have been mobbing this guy and others in the discussion

it's also not usually hard to tell on twitter if someone is a gater since they are pretty open about it

 

[Weltall Zero]

I've never used uber, but according to their website, she knows the name and plate number of the driver. If she dissapeared, the police would know exactly who was the last person she was with.

It's better than nothing, sure, but depending on the case and how it ends up I'm not sure I would feel much of a consolation if the guy who murdered me and sold my organs in the black market (or ate them) was caught. On account of, you know, being dead and not able to feel anything. Crazy people aren't particularly know for long term planning or being deterred by consequences.

Paranoid? Sure, my expectations regarding human behaviour are astronomically low on account of humans managing to go under even those expectations on a daily basis.

 

[ymgve]

Is "gamergate" just the catch all for "person who takes a stance I don't agree with?"

Milo is, like, the queen of gamergaters. He's pretty infamous for that position.

 

[Weltall Zero]

Spiking drinks with extra alcohol is a thing that happens, so someone having "just" alcohol in their system doesn't mean their drinks weren't spiked.

Excellent point. Most people don't realize that alcohol can be very powerful on people that haven't built up some tolerance. Case in point, I never drink alcohol, so you could floor me with a couple beers (if I didn't dislike the taste of alcohol too much to drink them in the first place). Someone used to beers could be easily KOd with some extra alcohol on them, and the worst thing is that past some point they would need no further spiking as they would keep drinking themselves.

That's, of course, besides the point that you could drink yourself unconscious and it would still be rape. I mean, people often accuse others of making up being spiked and saying they drunk/drugged themselves into a KO, then intend that to follow that it's their fault they were raped, as if it wasn't rape either way. Hell, if they're right and people are making up being spiked, why would that be? Surely if drunk rape was taken as seriously as it should nobody would need to make up being spiked, so either the reports are true, or they are a need to be taken every bit as seriously as they should; you can't have it both ways.

 

[CharminUltra]

This is creepy as fuck D:

 

[Freeman]

No way to know who it was meant for really. I think, not that it matters.

This isn't even the only horrible thing that happened at E3. Laura Kate describes her Uber experience thusly...

WTF? 40min? Was the guy aware she was on the car? Doesn't Uber track the identity of who is driving who? This is the sort of thing that requires some explanation, if this was on purpose the guy is insane.

 

[Jackpot]

Milo is, like, the queen of gamergaters. He's pretty infamous for that position.

Ironically he is also very anti-video games.

 

[Deadkid]

WTF? Really?

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

This isn't even the only horrible thing that happened at E3. Laura Kate describes her Uber experience thusly...

holy shit!

I hope she has the dudes info.

fuck, that is terrifying. dude should be reported to the police.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

The risk is there with regular taxis too.

Depends on where you live I'd say. I haven't heard of cases of kidnapping or whatever with taxis in Canada.

At least with Uber, everything is tracked. Doesn't offer much in the way of protection from anything bad happening, but if you flag down a normal taxi, there's no record of you getting in.

It is quite bizarre that people find a way to blame Uber, a service that tracks the car, gives you the license plate, name and picture of driver. More bizarre is the fact that you don't have any of those guarantees with a cab but people are willing to trust that "they're regulated" in order to keep you safe.

Well, clearly the Uber record thing didn't stop this guy. Maybe he somehow stole someone's car and ID so he would have no repercussions? I don't know how this works, but he picked her up, and she said she saw him flagging her as having been dropped off as he continued driving. Soooo.....

Creepy that the driver didn't stop. But it's also weird for the passenger to not say anything for 40 minutes along the lines of "you're going the wrong way". A Lyft driver drove past my hotel once (marking me as dropped off) and I immediately yelled at him to turn around. Is there a place with the full story?

She told the story on a Jimquisition podcast. She did tell him he drove past her hotel but he just kept driving in silence for a good while until she bailed out.

Is "gamergate" just the catch all for "person who takes a stance I don't agree with?"

Are you kidding me? Milo is the most prominent Gamergater out there.

Ironically he is also very anti-video games.

Nothing that ironic about it when you think about it. Most prominent Gamergate figures have nothing to do with games whatsoever (Milo, Sommers, Baldwin etc.).

 

[notworksafe]

who stays in an uber for 40 minutes past your dropoff point and says nothing? that's the oddest part of the story.

 

[Real Hero]

who stays in an uber for 40 minutes past your dropoff point and says nothing? that's the oddest part of the story.

not if your thinking 'oh shit if I speak he might kill me'

 

[Damerman]

Makes you cynical to know how far some people will go. I can't imagine the fear and anxiety some women feel all the time because of this shit.

Smh. If i ever have a daughter i don't know how I'll deal. Its bad enough being afraid for my sister.

 

[androvsky]

who stays in an uber for 40 minutes past your dropoff point and says nothing? that's the oddest part of the story.

not if your thinking 'oh shit if I speak he might kill me'

Sounds like it was the driver was the one that was silent, not her.

She told the story on a Jimquisition podcast. She did tell him he drove past her hotel but he just kept driving in silence for a good while until she bailed out.

 

[boredandlazy]

who stays in an uber for 40 minutes past your dropoff point and says nothing? that's the oddest part of the story.

Are you a male? The unknown intentions of the driver could be very frightening, especially for a female.
We also don't know if the driver was physically imposing etc.

 

[Peltz]

Beyond appalling. I am really at a loss and can't say add much to the conversation that hasn't already been said.

I just want to voice that I stand with the victims against such atrocities.

 

[Horsemama1956]

Are you a male? The unknown intentions of the driver could be very frightening, especially for a female.
We also don't know if the driver was physically imposing etc.

It could be for anyone?

 

[Morrigan Stark]

who stays in an uber for 40 minutes past your dropoff point and says nothing? that's the oddest part of the story.

You're right, the driver is really, um, "odd", though I would use words like "creepy", "terrifying", "fucked up" instead, but that's just me.

Also btw he hopped on the highway for a good while, hard to get off a moving car driving full speed on the highway I'd say. She bailed at the next red light she saw as far as I know.

 

[squadr0n]

WTF Do we know which party he was attending that night?

What is this the 90s still?

 

[v1oz]

This is terrible but it's actually happened to me before. I was hanging out with a big group at a nightclub last year, we all left our drinks on this table near where we were dancing. I ended up behaving very strangely and didn't have full control of my body, the next few days my head was all over the place and I couldn't think straight. Shitty people out there but it just shows - never let go of your drink (especially in a club). Glad no one was hurt in this situation though.

Excessive alcohol consumption can leave you feeling unwell for days after. You can even end up in hospital.

 

[LordRaptor]

who stays in an uber for 40 minutes past your dropoff point and says nothing? that's the oddest part of the story.

You should probably realise that the worst case scenarios for men and women in that situation are very, very, very different.

 

[AtomskEater]

Dear lord, that people are calling him a liar is shameful and sadly I expected it to happen.

I can only think of the OT thread where some dude felt personally offended that a lady he was talking to in a bar kept her hand over her drink. THIS IS WHY, FUCKERS

Wow that Laura story is scary, it's one reason I don't get the whole uber thing it seems a good service from what I read but it seems unsafe to me, in the uk or where I live calling a taxi you're pretty safe as it's an industry that's pretty toughly regulated. I hope she's ok she's one of the good ones out there in games media.

Yeah, there have been a few scary stories from Uber. I've used it a few times with the precaution that I have drivers pick me up/drop me off a block or two from where I live, but if something goes down in the middle of the drive that's a lot trickier to deal with. I'm glad she got out of that unharmed.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

This isn't even the only horrible thing that happened at E3. Laura Kate describes her Uber experience thusly...

WTF?? O_O

 

[boredandlazy]

It could be for anyone?

Where in my post did I say it was exclusively referencing females?