"I Hate Donald Trump, but he might get my vote" Washington Post(Opinion)

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TestOfTide said:
How is some shitty free trade stuff worse than a Supreme Court likely destroying the voting rights act?
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There is a class of liberal for whom all issues are ultimately less important than economic inequality. Plenty of them believe that issues like racism and such are so rooted in economic issues that fixing the economics will fix them
 
spiderman123 said:
Hilary is unlikable imo. Ppl are desperiate for change in Washington and b.c they don't agree with the status quo. Simply as a fuck you to the status quo, ppl are going to vote for Trump.
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I think it gets lost in discussion here how little people actually follow politicians in terms of specific policies and ideals. A lot, and I mean a lot, of people choose a candidate and vote based on perception, likability, and strength of the candidate. Hillary doesn't have the charisma of George W. Bush, or Barack Obama. The perception of her political history is a big downer to a lot of people. I feel like a lot of people are just voting for Trump for the reasons you mentioned, and the fact that Hillary is very weak in many of these, what you may call superficial, categories.
 
The Technomancer said:
There is a class of liberal for whom all issues are ultimately less important than economic inequality. Plenty of them believe that issues like racism and such are so rooted in economic issues that fixing the economics will fix them
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I don't even believe most of them believe that. I believe they're just looking out for themselves, which is fine, but they're trying to paint it as them looking out for everyone, which is not fine. It's only ever other white people I hear en masse arguing that economical shifts resolve things like racism.
 
I live in Texas, so that's important context, but anecdotally I have found it somewhat troubling how many people have rationalized voting for Trump. Particularly from some minorities.

Even if you get past the racism and general ineptitude he displays, it seems like they are simply in the mindset that they have no choice because he's the Republican nominee.

They've been playing politics as sports for so long they can't process what to do otherwise.



The other side of it, of course, are the older white folks I know who do things like very casually make negative statements about black people and hispanics or proudly display their confederate flag in the front lawn, but their vote for Trump wasn't surprising of course.
 
The Technomancer said:
There is a class of liberal for whom all issues are ultimately less important than economic inequality. Plenty of them believe that issues like racism and such are so rooted in economic issues that fixing the economics will fix them
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And apparently, for the bitter ones, voting Republican is the best way to solve economic inequality.
 
sk3 said:
Protip: Don't mock those on the other side of the aisle then complain about the polarization of american politics.

You are the problem.
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Why the fuck should people who believe in Trump's values be treated with respect? It's abhorrent, all of it. Even when people try to talk rationally with them they don't respond in kind. Trying to get them to change is a losing battle.
 
Why would someone willingly call himself baby boomer these days? Don't they realize it's become a synonym for selfish clueless idiot?
 
Cromwell said:
Why the fuck should people who believe in Trump's values be treated with respect? It's abhorrent, all of it. Even when people try to talk rationally with them they don't respond in kind. Trying to get them to change is a losing battle.
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Besides, why should they?
Sometimes, you are just on the right side of history. There is not always debatable sides of an issue.
Should we have treated those who supported Hitler with respect?
 
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I don't like Hillary Clinton. I think she's a liar and corrupt to the gills but I refuse, absolutely refuse to allow a white supremacist/nationalist to become President. I will fight with every fiber of my being against that and if you're abstaining or worse, voting for that dickhead, please take a moment to realize something. This isn't just about what you want or what you're dissatisfied with. This is about our country as a whole and in which direction we want it and ourselves to go.

You have a choice to make in November and not making it is also a choice with consequences.
 
Shamrock7r said:
I think it gets lost in discussion here how little people actually follow politicians in terms of specific policies and ideals. A lot, and I mean a lot, of people choose a candidate and vote based on perception, likability, and strength of the candidate. Hillary doesn't have the charisma of George W. Bush, or Barack Obama. The perception of her history is a big downer to a lot of people. I feel like a lot of people are just voting for Trump for the reasons you mentioned, and the fact that Hillary is very weak in many of these, what you may call superficial, categories.
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Yes, but on the flip side, the chances of Trump winning are still low and this hasn't really been reflected in polling. People might dislike Hillary, but they really, really, really, really hate Trump.
 
The Artisan said:
is everyone that is a trump supporter automatically a bigot?
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Eh. It's tough. I think some people just simply don't care about the plight of others. They worry about their own shit. I can believe they are supporting Trump for others reasons than his bigoted rhetoric, sure.

But then you also have to think that regardless of their intentions, in the end they are voting for somebody that is a bigoted a-hole with the intention of targeting minorities he doesn't like.

I won't call a Trump supporter a bigot or a racist until they say something bigoted or racist, but, I don't blame anybody that would.
 
Slayven said:
You know who champions Accelerationism? People too ignorant to realize what would happen and those with privilege that would insulate them from the effects.
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I'm not ignorant. I disagree with you. There's a difference.

I'm not championing accelerationism, as I don't believe it would lead to a long term coalition. The left has always been considered the biggest threat to capitalism in this country, but the unforeseen consequence of crushing the left has been that when neoliberal capitalism falters and falls prey to its contradictions, only the right is powerful enough to challenge it. Furthermore, the race, ethnicity, gender/sexuality, and religious divisions exploited and enhanced by a capitalist ruling class can only be effectively embraced by the right.

Neoliberal capitalism doesn't have an answer, but the pain and insecurity of the working class needs to be addressed. I don't see how neoliberalism adapts or is made irrelevant without a massive and unthinkable defeat. It's terrifying that the defeat has to come from the right, but the left has been deliberately reduced to ruin and not even progressive capitalism is powerful enough to provide any aid.

If Hillary wins, this can gets kicked down the road for a very little while. My hope is that if Trump wins now, there is still enough institutional power to oppose his worst ideas without those institutions and their powers missing the message that their institutions are not sufficient. If it's kicked even further down the road, the anger and bitterness will have no real opposition. We aren't in Weimar Germany, but a few more cycles of neoliberalist failure may put us there, and if it does, with a left hollowed out by decades of deliberate delegitimization, there will be nothing there to stop the next nationalist right candidate from being truly horrific.

There's a reckoning coming. It can't be stopped, but if it's limited to Brexit and Trump, the institutions of this nation may be able to adapt to address the causes before they lose all legitimacy. Those institutions will be weaker in coming cycles. It will also allow a weak left to regroup.
 
whyamihere said:
Yes, but on the flip side, the chances of Trump winning are still low and this hasn't really been reflected in polling. People might dislike Hillary, but they really, really, really, really hate Trump.
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That's what I hear more often than not from people on the fence. They dislike Hillary but they cannot see themselves voting for Trump. I don't think I've talked to one liberal who dislikes Hillary enough to vote Trump, but I have talked to a few conservatives who dislike Trump enough to vote Hillary.
 
The Artisan said:
is everyone that is a trump supporter automatically a bigot?
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That's the official GAF position, but the shitposters in this thread tend to forget that there's only two candidates and that people can disagree with a candidate and vote for them if they disagree with the other one more, a fact that they constantly try to remind Berniebros of, yet conveniently forget here. The guy doesn't sound racist, he just sounds like your standard partisan who's always going to vote his side regardless and does mental gymnastics when he doesn't like it.
 
rjinaz said:
Eh. It's tough. I think some people just simply don't care about the plight of others. They worry about their own shit. I can believe thy are supporting Trump for others reasons than his bigoted rhetoric, sure.

But then you also have to think that regardless of their intentions, in the they are voting for somebody that is a bigoted a hole with the intention of targeting minorities he doesn't like.

I won't call a Trump supporter a bigot or a racist until they say something bigoted or racist, but, I don't blame anybody that would.
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That's a pretty even-handed way of putting it.

When it came to the Romney/Obama election such assumptions were not made. Those people could have had different priorities. This election? A pile of garbage is what people are supporting, it's very difficult to look at a Trump supporter and think anything else.

Slashlen said:
That's the official GAF position, but the shitposters in this thread tend to forget that there's only two candidates and that people can disagree with a candidate and vote for them if they disagree with the other one more, a fact that they constantly try to remind Berniebros of, yet conveniently forget here. The guy doesn't sound racist, he just sounds like your standard partisan who's always going to vote his side regardless and does mental gymnastics when he doesn't like it.
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We have a White Nationalist running for President, if you think Hillary is worse than a white nationalist, then you are a bigot, racist, homophobe, islamophobe or all of the above. Otherwise it's your responsibility to point out the actual policy positions (if you can actually figure out what they are) that lead to you supporting Trump.
 
Cromwell said:
Why the fuck should people who believe in Trump's values be treated with respect? It's abhorrent, all of it. Even when people try to talk rationally with them they don't respond in kind. Trying to get them to change is a losing battle.
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Maybe they don't believe in his values. Maybe they just know how much you hate him and he hates you. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

There are two choices here, they both suck a lot. Don't be foolish enough to believe every supporter is 100% behind him. Have you been under a rock the past year? The state of the republican party is pretty obvious.
 
Slashlen said:
That's the official GAF position, but the shitposters in this thread tend to forget that there's only two candidates and that people can disagree with a candidate and vote for them if they disagree with the other one more, a fact that they constantly try to remind Berniebros of, yet conveniently forget here. The guy doesn't sound racist, he just sounds like your standard partisan who's always going to vote his side regardless and does mental gymnastics when he doesn't like it.
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I don't think every person who voted for Romney was a horrible person. I don't think every person who voted for McCain was a horrible person. But every single week Trump has a new statement or position that should be a dealbreaker to anyone. No-one can pretend "oh gee I didn't know he was a bigot"
 
The Artisan said:
is everyone that is a trump supporter automatically a bigot?
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In 2016, if you share the same political stances but have the nerve to prioritize them differently than the crowd, you're "part of the problem". Actually having different political views? Sacreligious.

(modern politics is religion. There is no true god but my political party of choice)
 
There's no functional difference between voting for a racist while holding your nose and voting for a racist while wearing the Virginia battle flag.

Either way you're still voting for a racist.
 
"I don't like Donald Trump BUT...!" is the new "I"m not racist BUT..!

Bullshit. You are racist. And you do like Donald Trump.
So stop pretending to be innocent and fuck off.
 
Slashlen said:
That's the official GAF position, but the shitposters in this thread tend to forget that there's only two candidates and that people can disagree with a candidate and vote for them if they disagree with the other one more, a fact that they constantly try to remind Berniebros of, yet conveniently forget here. The guy doesn't sound racist, he just sounds like your standard partisan who's always going to vote his side regardless and does mental gymnastics when he doesn't like it.
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Amazing.
 
Elfforkusu said:
In 2016, if you share the same political stances but have the nerve to prioritize them differently than the crowd, you're "part of the problem". Actually having different political views? Sacreligious.

(modern politics is religion. There is no true god but my political party of choice)
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Prioritize what differently? I'm honestly curious, what outweighs all of Trump's blatant bigotry? What is more important?
 
sk3 said:
Maybe they don't believe in his values. Maybe they just know how much you hate him and he hates you. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

There are two choices here, they both suck a lot. Don't be foolish enough to believe every supporter is 100% behind him. Have you been under a rock the past year? The state of the republican party is pretty obvious.
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If you're not a clueless bigot that wants to "take america back", there's actually only one choice.
 
Slashlen said:
That's the official GAF position, but the shitposters in this thread tend to forget that there's only two candidates and that people can disagree with a candidate and vote for them if they disagree with the other one more, a fact that they constantly try to remind Berniebros of, yet conveniently forget here. The guy doesn't sound racist, he just sounds like your standard partisan who's always going to vote his side regardless and does mental gymnastics when he doesn't like it.
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The Artisan said:
is everyone that is a trump supporter automatically a bigot?
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When they explicitly articulate their support as "he says what he thinks and he isn't PC", as the article does, I think it's a somewhat safe inference.

It's possible they support him for his healthcare plan or stance on climate change or something.
 
The Technomancer said:
Prioritize what differently? I'm honestly curious, what outweighs all of Trump's blatant bigotry? What is more important?
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Yeah, we never get an answer to this question do we?

Although, Trump really stands for everything and nothing, so it's not like I can blame them.
 
It's very easy to say Trump isn't a racist when you're (probably) not part of any of the minority groups he's attacking.
 
The Technomancer said:
Prioritize what differently? I'm honestly curious, what outweighs all of Trump's blatant bigotry? What is more important?
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He's Republican.

There's a huge amount of party loyalty in the US that is nearly impossible to break. Even if you're a bigoted buffoon with tiny hands and no experience, you're still guaranteed at least 40% of the national vote. Same goes for the Dems, though thankfully they don't have a Trump-style candidate this election.
 
Suikoguy said:
That's a pretty even-handed way of putting it.

When it came to the Romney/Obama election such assumptions were not made. Those people could have had different priorities. This election? A pile of garbage is what people are supporting, it's very difficult to look at a Trump supporter and think anything else.
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And I agree. Many have ended up banned on GAF. Not because of bias or an agenda, but because when they start talking about their beliefs or defending their position, most end up saying something bigoted or racist. Imagine that.

You'll notice that nearly all his current supports on GAF either deny they really like him and support somebody else (despite always coming to his defense) or they simply post a one liner like "go Trump!" and you never see them in the thread again because they know if they have to actually defend the man, they're screwed.
 
Stumpokapow said:
When they explicitly articulate their support as "he says what he thinks and he isn't PC", as the article does, I think it's a somewhat safe inference.

It's possible they support him for his healthcare plan or stance on climate change or something.
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"back to the old days" seals the deal...
 
Quixzlizx said:
I'm still wondering how voting the GOP into power will "defeat neoliberal capitalism."
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Just like how we hit rock bottom in 2007 and then it ushered in a new era of rapid progress in the country, bringing us above and beyond Europe in personal liberty and welfare programs.

Oh wait, none of that ever happened because accelerationism is a myth and just ends up hurting people.
 
The Technomancer said:
I don't think every person who voted for Romney was a horrible person. I don't think every person who voted for McCain was a horrible person. But every single week Trump has a new statement or position that should be a dealbreaker to anyone. No-one can pretend "oh gee I didn't know he was a bigot"
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Not all issues have equal weight to all voters. Just because someone isn't a bigot doesn't mean they put that issue at the top of their list. If someone is primarily worried about economic issues, and they are convinced that Hillary is going to crash it with some socialist scheme, it's reasonable that they'd look at Trump and just decide they're willing to ignore the bigot stuff because the economy is too important.
 
I don't understand how anyone with a conscience can vote for a climate change denier.

Do these people really not give a shit about what happens to future generations?

If you vote for a climate change denier you're objectively a bad person. Nothing else matters in the scale of things. All policies, social progress, wars, inequality etc don't matter if you don't leave a planet that can sustain the people living on it.
 
I don't like ANY politician ( except Justin, he so dreamy) but ppl are just tried of seeing the same politics played over and over again.

"Hey is use to be on that side but now I am on this side lemme say some different." They are tried of hypocrisy and political games that are played.

Even though that will continue under Trump, he has played that card beautiful. His rapport, demeanor and outspokeness has allowed him to capitalize on those emotions.

Thankfully we Canadians were smart and voted for Justin hopefully. We would lend him to you but yall kinda didn't share Obama, so good luck to ya.
 
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