mejin
Member
lol
I didn't think about it, but it makes sense.
I could expect misinformation everywhere, but not here in GAF. Especially with such insistence.
PS4 Pro PR has been terrible
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lol
I didn't think about it, but it makes sense.
I could expect misinformation everywhere, but not here in GAF. Especially with such insistence.
EventHorizon
Member
Folks the PS4 Pro is not meant to be that big of a deal. Its main design concerns were compatability, minimum extra development needed over OG PS4, and price. It's mostly a nice little bump in graphical quality for those who have 4K HDR TVs. That's it. Stop bemoaning that it is not being pushed like a new console generation when every time Sony is asked, they go out of their way to say it in not a new console generation. It's a step up from the typical hard drive only space increase we normally get for a premium console. Period.
GinoFelino
Member
Yes, let's start the new page with a big slice of misinforming bullshit.
shinobi602
Member
This kind of thinking boggles my mind.
Okami Haundo
Member
I most certainly agree with you there, though I think it depends on the context. If I interview a rep at Sony and they say something about PS4 Pro that isn't the full picture, it's not really my job to do the clarifying for them. However, if I'm writing the "definitive guide to the PS4 Pro", I would feel obligated to have a much fuller picture of what the console is and does.
But does it? Is there any game on PS4 that doesn't output at 1080p? As far as I know, games that run at 900p and whatnot handle the upscaling themselves, they don't rely on the PS4 OS to do it.
Well, I'm assuming it will. When quick switching between the PS4 menu and the game (running at 1080p) with the PS4 menu running in 4K, it'd be super weird to have your TV flicker to switch between resolutions every time you go into the PS4 menu.
Well, OG PS4 doesn't upscale to 4K currently
I guess you're right. I mean it should, but I also figured the Pro would positively affect non-Pro games and that didn't come to pass.
Isn't it supposed to be like a new iPhone? Because Apple certainly makes a big deal about a new iteration.
MightyPeter
Neo Member
So far I have seen zero printed advertising for the PS4 Pro in Sweden, a few articles on various sites, but it's barely noticable...
Still, that (probably) makes it easier to find one, just hope I'll get a decent package-deal on a new TV when I pick mine up
Still, that (probably) makes it easier to find one, just hope I'll get a decent package-deal on a new TV when I pick mine up
this. the 4k bullshit needs to stop. 1080p 60fps better games, better graphics is much better than shitty 30fps mediocre looking games at non native 4k.
yes 4k screenshots and 1080p video (60fps IIRC, but don't quote me)
1080p60 remote play as well
You can stream to youtube at 1080p60
I mean... no matter what I'm passing up, even if it's a good deal, I always feel good about the dollars I didn't spend. I don't think there is anything wrong with not seeing this as a must-have device because we don't have a list of changes for upcoming games on 1080p HDTVs.
All Sony needs to do is release a clear list of the different Pro-enhanced modes available for each game coming out (for 1080p displays, 4k TVs, and PSVR). The lack of such list is what I find to be terrible.
In other words: I know that it CAN super-sample games for a 1080p display. But I don't know which games that will actually apply to and that's where the communication has been terrible. Same thing goes for VR - we have no idea which games will get a boost in performance or clarity on Pro hardware.
We need a list.
I don't think anyone has ever argued that the PS4 Pro is a "must have" device. it clearly isn't
GinoFelino
Member
I think the negative experience of the PS4P not upscaling is way more (directly) significant than the Pro not affecting non-Pro games (eg. my flickering TV example), so I really doubt it won't upscale non-patched games.
Do you like video games?
That's a little different than basically saying all these poor people are being salty because they can't afford it. I wouldn't call the console "cheap" and I can 100% understand being torn between sticking with what you got and going for the upgrade. I think the bold above sounds perfectly reasonable. A mid-console refresh like this hasn't really been the norm.
Why? It makes sense to be against this machine if you don't like the iterative model.
That's if the games are 1080p ~60fps already. If a game is running at 1080p 30fps, it'll be running 1080p 30fps on the Pro, with the possibility of higher fidelity through super sampling and an uptick in the "advanced video settings" if applicable.
flamesofchaos
Member
I don't know about the rest of you but the wow factor for graphics in most game is gone for me, so as a current PS4 owner, I can care less about the PS4 Pro. Part of the reason why I'm hyped about Nintendo Switch, since I commute via mass transit the Switch makes sense for me to make it my primary console, games permitting. But at this point I don't care about graphics that much anymore. Sure, I'll appreciate great graphics but we are at the point of diminishing returns since last gen.
Now Scorpio I'm waiting for that as there are Xbox One exclusives I'm interested in and I think Microsoft shot the Xbox One S in the foot by showing off Scorpio, unless I find a very good deal on the One S.
Now Scorpio I'm waiting for that as there are Xbox One exclusives I'm interested in and I think Microsoft shot the Xbox One S in the foot by showing off Scorpio, unless I find a very good deal on the One S.
How about you don't buy the iterations if you don't like them and let the others have their new toys?
Unknown?
Member
All games going forward are required to support it so at the very minimum it will supersample all games coming out after launch. The only question is which games that have been released will eventually support it.
DOWN
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Fantastic
Best case scenario IMO is that developers offer an option for both in-game. On the PC, we've had the option to choose our resolution to suit the framerate and graphical output of the game, it's time for console to finally start offering something like that on a broader scale for situations just like this.
Mihalis0013
Neo Member
I still think the Pro (NEO) was made to work with PSVR (Morpheus) and that to some extent all this 4k/HDR messaging mess came in response to the Scorpio E3 video getting so much positive response.
I think Sony felt they suddenly needed to be all about 4k and HDR as well. I mean, if it really was truly always meant to be a 4k machine, where is the UHD player? If HDR was really the future Sony had in mind, why can't the PSVR box pass through HDR?
Also it's amusing to see people go from native 1080p or bust to suddenly accepting of software upscaling to 4k being perfectly fine. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the upscaling looks great, as do many 900p Xbox One games running at 1080p, but I find the sudden change in mentality now that Sony are the ones doing it hilarious.
It's also hilarious that PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One, PS4 Pro is more powerful than PS4 but now it's suddenly being more compared to Xbox One S than Scorpio because of the HDR/4k messaging.
Whoever said it earlier in this thread that people are going out of their way to be confused, nailed it. Yes, there are lots of questions about this new box but people are also going out of their way to make it seem confusing.
I think Sony's issue is how do you say the Pro is way better for PSVR without pissing off 44,000,000 PS4 owners who were told their systems would work perfectly with PSVR? At the same time, if they say the Pro really is what you need for PSVR then suddenly PSVR doubles in price. I have no doubt 4k/HDR tv owners will notice an improvement and I also think that 1080p owners will notice an improvement. The only question is which/how many games. With Microsoft also backing HDR and soon 4k, I think this is good news for PS4 Pro soon to be owners as 3rd party devs can include those features on both sides. 1st party stuff I assume will see enhancements at both resolutions.
At the end of the day, consoles are essentially specialized PCs (especially now running x86) and upgrading PCs almost always has benefits. Will it help every game? No, of course not. Will it end up being worth it if you game often on it? Almost certainly.
my 2 cents
I think Sony felt they suddenly needed to be all about 4k and HDR as well. I mean, if it really was truly always meant to be a 4k machine, where is the UHD player? If HDR was really the future Sony had in mind, why can't the PSVR box pass through HDR?
Also it's amusing to see people go from native 1080p or bust to suddenly accepting of software upscaling to 4k being perfectly fine. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the upscaling looks great, as do many 900p Xbox One games running at 1080p, but I find the sudden change in mentality now that Sony are the ones doing it hilarious.
It's also hilarious that PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One, PS4 Pro is more powerful than PS4 but now it's suddenly being more compared to Xbox One S than Scorpio because of the HDR/4k messaging.
Whoever said it earlier in this thread that people are going out of their way to be confused, nailed it. Yes, there are lots of questions about this new box but people are also going out of their way to make it seem confusing.
I think Sony's issue is how do you say the Pro is way better for PSVR without pissing off 44,000,000 PS4 owners who were told their systems would work perfectly with PSVR? At the same time, if they say the Pro really is what you need for PSVR then suddenly PSVR doubles in price. I have no doubt 4k/HDR tv owners will notice an improvement and I also think that 1080p owners will notice an improvement. The only question is which/how many games. With Microsoft also backing HDR and soon 4k, I think this is good news for PS4 Pro soon to be owners as 3rd party devs can include those features on both sides. 1st party stuff I assume will see enhancements at both resolutions.
At the end of the day, consoles are essentially specialized PCs (especially now running x86) and upgrading PCs almost always has benefits. Will it help every game? No, of course not. Will it end up being worth it if you game often on it? Almost certainly.
my 2 cents
gundamkyoukai
Member
Did you really expect anything else .
I mean just look at the start of this gen and how the media were ( very stupid \ wrong)
As for other people i still don't understand why they making things so hard.
It's a more powerful PS4 that is all there is to it.
If you have a 4k TV it will be better than the normal PS4 and if you stick to 1080p you get some benefits also .
Like it makes sense to be against same sex relationships if you're straight? Time to get some perspective and accept that the world is full of different people who like different things.
Back on the main topic: I don't think the PR campaign has really started. I expect screen shots to start arriving within the week and the real push to begin by this weekend.
But...I mean...you're still gonna buy it, though. lol
Its not up to sony. its up to the developer. they are the ones dictating what modes it will support which are detailed on their MASSIVE FAQ. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-the-ultimate-faq/
I've had no trouble finding out what I needed to about it personally, but tbh I don't know if there is any surefire way to properly market a console revision like this in a way to sell it to the average consumer.
Then again, I'm not someone who relies solely on PR for my information anyways, so...
Got a good laugh out of this, cheers.
Seriously? Why? I've come to expect it every time I see a thread about PS4 Pro pop up.
Then again, I'm not someone who relies solely on PR for my information anyways, so...
Got a good laugh out of this, cheers.
Seriously? Why? I've come to expect it every time I see a thread about PS4 Pro pop up.
GinoFelino
Member
They worked out all that 4K HDR and checkerboard shit in just a couple of months? Hot diggity!
Don't go down this path. It leads nowhere and it's bullshit to begin with.
But...44 million PS4s DO work perfectly with PSVR....
There's some solid points there all in all, too
But your post was too long not to split it up.That's pretty straightforward though. Every hardware upgrade is about how the developer wants to use the additional power.
iHaunter
Member
Is there an article about Native 4K for PS4 Pro?
If so can you link it so I can read it?
Also a list of titles that will be released in Native 4K.
Always-honest
Banned
No, most of what comes out (in big games) will not be native 4K.
That does not mean there aren't games in 4K. There is a Neogaf thread.
Just addressing false information.
shinobi602
Member
Because it doesn't affect you if you don't want it?
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Haha. What a fucking baby.
Lol, you've just told people to 'grow up' and then come out and support that toddler's bullshit.
belteshazzar
Member
Yeah, don't know man. The information about how 1080p owners will benefit from this has been meager. That is why I'm holding off on it. I mean, in the long run getting the pro is definitely the way to go. As 4k tv's become more prevalent in the future and as more games exist that can take advantage of it for 1080p its value will probably be more evident, but right now I see absolutely no reason to upgrade as a 1080p owner.
on good grief
boneyjangles
Member
To market it too heavily might lead people to think the PS4 standard/slim is playing second fiddle, with detrimental psychological effects on their existing user base.
Instead, being more conservative means standard/slim stays 'first fiddle' , VR keeps the spotlight, and this can slowly emerge as a 'luxury' alternative.
I think unless you are on a tight budget the Pro is a no brainier if you are buying a PS4. It's twice the power, possibly better loading times.
That power might only go to slightly increased fidelity, but that's the nature of graphics today,
Instead, being more conservative means standard/slim stays 'first fiddle' , VR keeps the spotlight, and this can slowly emerge as a 'luxury' alternative.
I think unless you are on a tight budget the Pro is a no brainier if you are buying a PS4. It's twice the power, possibly better loading times.
That power might only go to slightly increased fidelity, but that's the nature of graphics today,
XGoldenboyX
Member
Preorder Not Canceled.
Sources so far seem to mention that yes it is likely that there will be performances boost for those choosing to go 1080P.
Most likely Framerate boot's from 30 to 60fps and a downsample from a Higher resolution giving us a crisper image quality .
Better texturing and better Shadows are also likely for Pro users running games at 1080P
You're still wrong.
GinoFelino
Member
Shitposting time? (avatar joke) Seriously though, there's a lot of info on that in this thread.
FairXchange
Member
I don't think that's what people are saying. I do think it's natural that some people who are hesitant to purchase may be looking to justify that decision by being vocally negative on its value proposition.
Surely you are exaggerating your lack of understanding. When something you don't like becomes successful, ESPECIALLY in this industry, that thing will become the norm. Look at GTAO DLC. People who want single player DLC are dicked out of it because R* only wants the GTAO money. People who don't like the online component wouldn't have to worry about it if it didn't succeed.
EventHorizon
Member
That's absolutely true. Care to say why it is not.
Sony gave it its own unveiling. What more do you want? They can't make it into what it is not meant to be.
Darkangel
Member
I still don't really get why they're making the Pro.
I mean, the PS4 is selling great and I doubt that many people are switching from PS4 to PC due to graphics stagnation. My first thought was that they were doing it to push their 4K TVs, but the thing doesn't even have a 4K blu-ray player. I guess there's the VR hypothesis, but the base model PS4 seems to be doing a decent job.
I wonder which company came up with the half-gen upgrade idea first. I'm willing to bet that one of the machines was done in response to the other.
I mean, the PS4 is selling great and I doubt that many people are switching from PS4 to PC due to graphics stagnation. My first thought was that they were doing it to push their 4K TVs, but the thing doesn't even have a 4K blu-ray player. I guess there's the VR hypothesis, but the base model PS4 seems to be doing a decent job.
I wonder which company came up with the half-gen upgrade idea first. I'm willing to bet that one of the machines was done in response to the other.
To me the PS4 Pro is like the opposite of appealing. I cannot find any reason to upgrade from XB1 (or PS4 if I had one) to a PS4 Pro. It won't have a UHD blu-ray disc drive. It's not powerful enough to do native 4k. I mean the console is guaranteed to be outclassed by the Scorpio which is coming out 1 year later. The idea that 4k checkerboard rendering should be classed as some sort of coveted asset is laughable to me. If checkerboard rendering is that big of a deal, then Scorpio will use checkerboard rendering too and have better performing games with extra bells and whistles across the board. If the gaming public demands native 4k and rejects scaled-up-4k, then Scorpio will be able to play native 4k games while the PS4 Pro won't be able to. Even if PS4 Pro ends up having a vast majority of its games running at native 4k, Scorpio will do the same and just have extra bells and whistles and better performance.
Every single hardware-level advantage for PS4 Pro is guaranteed to better on the Scorpio. There is no point to the console in my eyes.
The PS4 Pro also looks like a hideous console. Looks like a hamburger sandwich. Sorry just needed to get that all off my chest. But to be fair, we don't have any idea what Scorpio looks like. But judging from what the MS engineering team has done with XB1S, I wouldn't doubt Scorpio will look sleek and slick too.
Every single hardware-level advantage for PS4 Pro is guaranteed to better on the Scorpio. There is no point to the console in my eyes.
The PS4 Pro also looks like a hideous console. Looks like a hamburger sandwich. Sorry just needed to get that all off my chest. But to be fair, we don't have any idea what Scorpio looks like. But judging from what the MS engineering team has done with XB1S, I wouldn't doubt Scorpio will look sleek and slick too.
Mihalis0013
Neo Member
well ok then.
I shall refrain from any future posts on the topic.
Fantastic response btw