PlayStation 4 Pro Reviews

Inuhanyou said:
I don't think that really is the case as at. I've seen native 4K running on my 55 inch screen quite clearly. 4K basically eliminates all sub pixel stairstepping and increases clarity substantially. Compared to HDR which isn't even a set standard yet, i think 4K itself gives a huge bump in clarity, similar to 1080p coming from 720p.

Not anywhere as big as 480p and below to 720p but not much can match that increase in pure detail to begin with.
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Well, I did qualify as under 50" and at normal living room viewing distances. I don't claim expertise myself, just an opinion based on what I've read and heard from people who know a lot more about this than I do.

I'm not saying there isn't a noticeable difference, just that it isn't the big deal people make it out to be. I think when people go into a store and stand 3 feet away from a 4K/HDR display and go "wow," they are overestimating how much of the "wow" is attributable to 4K (and how much of that will translate to sitting 10 feet away) and underestimating how much is from good HDR.
 
Serious Sam said:
Sony should devote some resources to test each game
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Do you have any clue how many people it takes to test a single game before gold? Do you even know what testers have to do?

Do you honestly think a handful of people are going to run into every wall, shoot every wall, crouch in front of every wall, prone in front of every wall, cast every spell in front of every wall, try each menu option in front of every wall, try every conceivable action in front of every wall then repeat it for doors, floors, moving platforms, yada yada yada?

There's a whooooooole string of strange behavior that can happen in very remote situations with off-the-wall action combinations that it would be an insurmountable task to test.

You don't just boot, play for 5 minutes and call it a day.

What are you even on about in this thread? Seriously? Don't get a pro if you are continuing to willfully not even TRY to understand what potential problems can happen and why steps were taken to ensure maximum compatibility.

You've got to be trolling, at this point. I get being disappointed that you won't see bumps in unpatched games but this? Holy cow.
 
Stolen from another thread.

Playstation 4 Pro [OT] Because I'm an Exhausted, Overworked Adult with Expendable Income, and Buying New Gadgets Makes Me Feel Temporarily Excited About Life Again.
 
Jacksinthe said:
Do you have any clue how many people it takes to test a single game before gold? Do you even know what testers have to do?

Do you honestly think a handful of people are going to run into every wall, shoot every wall, crouch in front of every wall, prone in front of every wall, cast every spell in front of every wall, try each menu option in front of every wall, try every conceivable action in front of every wall then repeat it for doors, floors, moving platforms, yada yada yada?

There's a whooooooole string of strange behavior that can happen in very remote situations with off-the-wall action combinations that it would be an insurmountable task to test.

You don't just boot, play for 5 minutes and call it a day.

What are you even on about in this thread? Seriously? Don't get a pro if you are continuing to willfully not even TRY to understand what potential problems can happen and why steps were taken to ensure maximum compatibility.

You've got to be trolling, at this point. I get being disappointed that you won't see bumps in unpatched games but this? Holy cow.
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Lol. The way you're saying it that would mean that PC ports must take whole countries to beta-test. Also before we were hearing the fact that it was easy to optimize to the PS4 pro. What happened?
 
Frostburn said:
There are certainly people up in arms but I don't understand why everyone is so quick to defend Sony's decision which benefits Sony and no one else rather than support the pro consumer options and Sony decided to do some testing and validation of their first party and popular titles. Or heck, give some of that Sony money to developers of those games to go back and patch for their flagship system. We aren't talking about a TON of games here: Bloodborne, Witcher 3, Destiny... the list isn't long.

The amount of Pro Sony apologists is way more than I thought, I guess thats why companies can get away with basically anything these days, expectations are so low.
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Because it's not worth it, those games have come and gone. There is no perceivable benefit for Sony in making devs go back to games that have already had their time in the sun.


Sorry but that's fucking bullshit. I consider myself a very principled person, especially when it comes to big business but shit like this is super-unimportant, even to a hardcore gamer like me.
 
Ricker said:
I watch this and I know this is from a YouTube video,viewed on my 1080P HDTV, but it really makes me wonder if 4K is really all that...if I want to go full 4K right now,this means changing my TV,A/V Receiver and getting a PRO,it woud cost me minimum 5,000 bucks...not sure the difference I am seeing is worth that...
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Not sure how you would see a difference between 4k and 1080p from a stream and in 1080p. You must have amazing eye sight.
 
I really wanted to jump into this gen with the PS4 Pro.
I "knew" I'd buy some kind of PS4 when it originally came out, hoping for cheaper, better revisions down the line. Years of free PS4 games accumulated on my PS+ account.

But at this point, many of the exclusives are still too expensive, and there aren't even a lot of them (worth playing).
4k monitors (I have no use for a TV) are not as mature as I hoped them to be at this point either (since it would have double use for my PC which is capable of playing any multiplatform title).

So here I am, 3 years later, unable to justify buying this thing.
 
jabberwocker said:
Lol. The way you're saying it that would mean that PC ports must take whole countries to beta-test. Also before we were hearing the fact that it was easy to optimize to the PS4 pro. What happened?
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Welcome to testing. I'd say with ports, more time will be spent testing in man hours rather than development itself.
 
Inceptional said:
Because it's not worth it, those games have come and gone. There is no perceivable benefit for Sony in making devs go back to games that have already had their time in the sun.


Sorry but that's fucking bullshit. I consider myself a very principled person, especially when it comes to big business but shit like this is super-unimportant, even to a hardcore gamer like me.
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Your right, patching old games is not going to generate enough sales to warrant the additional time of developing or testing.
 
Inceptional said:
Because it's not worth it, those games have come and gone. There is no perceivable benefit for Sony in making devs go back to games that have already had their time in the sun.

Sorry but that's fucking bullshit. I consider myself a very principled person, especially when it come to big business but shit like this is super-unimportant, even to a hardcore gamer like me.
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You don't think Sony would sell even MORE PS4 Pros if those few games I mentioned were to get a patch? You don't think people play those anymore, that Sony doesn't have metrics on systems connected to PSN on what people are playing and for how long?

I'm not talking about a single person and everyone's opinion is going to be different but we've seen time and time again where gamers will complain about something but then be part of the problem by buying in to DLC, day 1 games that are broken, etc. We take the abuse, it is part of the give and take of being a hardcore gamer these days. Doesn't mean ALL of us have to like it, I buy far fewer games day 1 now and am super weary about Season Passes.

I'm disappointed a bit by the way the PS4 Pro handles it's extra power but I'm excited about what is there already and what the future holds, again not everything is black and white. I am still buying the Pro for those future games, I honestly think the discussion around the Pro has been interesting to get other's perspectives, it helps me understand opposing points of view (At least in some cases that are well articulated and not just personal attacks).
 
icespide said:
this thread took a turn
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Unfortunately the concern trolling is quite real.

I understood the implications of the Pro since the first leaks came out, i was initially fully against the concept, to accepting of the concept.

I understand there are people that exist for whom this product is designed even if they aren't me.

If other people could understand these basic concepts, we'd all be much calmer.
 
Inceptional said:
No offense but who gives a fuck about older games.
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Far more people than you would think. Major new games will have their support, but the back catalog still regularly goes on sale through weekly PSN and retail discounts. New adopters to the console now have the choice between two variant hardware SKU's and three years of discounted games to experience for the first time. A metric fuckton of people may already own some older games, but time investment into those titles may be small while a hardware upgrade may re-engage their interest into the library(and thus potentially igniting their further interest into the similar titles in the genre's that are already released).

Consumer interest in a current platform library doesn't usually dissolve upon release date, even if discussion on enthusiast sites does.
 
Frostburn said:
You don't think Sony would sell even MORE PS4 Pros if those few games I mentioned were to get a patch? You don't think people play those anymore, that Sony doesn't have metrics on systems connected to PSN on what people are playing and for how long?

I'm not talking about a single person and everyone's opinion is going to be different but we've seen time and time again where gamers will complain about something but then be part of the problem by buying in to DLC, day 1 games that are broken, etc. We take the abuse, it is part of the give and take of being a hardcore gamer these days. Doesn't mean ALL of us have to like it, I buy far fewer games day 1 now and am super weary about Season Passes.

I'm disappointed a bit by the way the PS4 Pro handles it's extra power but I'm excited about what is there already and what the future holds, again not everything is black and white. I am still buying the Pro for those future games, I honestly think the discussion around the Pro has been interesting to get other's perspectives, it helps me understand opposing points of view (At least in some cases that are well articulated and not just personal attacks).
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Conduit said:
Again with this like few pages ago?

1st : it's not many games, it's only selected games ( Mirror's Edge runs exactly the same for example)

2nd : Just Cause 3 runs worse on Xbone S ( check NX Gamer video )

3rd : Phil Spencer didn't said anything and STOP spreading missinformation. He only said SOME games. SOME!!!
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Pennywise said:
Indications aren't facts.
Up until now this is all TALK. Nobody will be able to confirm it until the Scorpio is actually there.

You're also trusting every interview, yet you don't believe Sony despite not having the necessary knowledge for that topic.

Pretty weird way to argue.
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Thank you guys! These Xbox fans just can't comprehend this or are purposely spreading misinformation! I can't believe they don't trust Sony's word but eat up everything MS says.
 
I'm excited to move my standard into the bedroom and have the pro in the living room. Sometimes I want to lay in bed and play games and sometimes my girlfriend wants to play DQ Builders while I'm playing battlefield so it's a win win for us. Also since I will have a 2tb in both I can give the 1tb to my best friend.
 
Brandon F said:
Far more people than you would think. Major new games will have their support, but the back catalog still regularly goes on sale through weekly PSN and retail discounts. New adopters to the console now have the choice between two variant hardware SKU's and three years of discounted games to experience for the first time. A metric fuckton of people may already own some older games, but time investment into those titles may be small while a hardware upgrade may re-engage their interest into the library(and thus potentially igniting their further interest into the similar titles in the genre's that are already released).

Consumer interest in a current platform library doesn't usually dissolve upon release date, even if discussion on enthusiast sites does.
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Wow, those are some solid numbers, you should show those to Sony.
 
Inceptional said:
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Cherry picking is good and all but I'm buying the PS4 Pro for the future games, doesn't mean I can't be unhappy with the fact that extra power isn't being used for games I already own and still play. PLENTY of people have posted they'd buy a PS4 Pro day 1 if Bloodborne or Witcher 3 were patched, again everyone has a different reason. I see more good than bad in the PS4 Pro but it doesn't mean I can't be disappointed as well.
 
Zaru said:
I really wanted to jump into this gen with the PS4 Pro.
I "knew" I'd buy some kind of PS4 when it originally came out, hoping for cheaper, better revisions down the line. Years of free PS4 games accumulated on my PS+ account.

But at this point, many of the exclusives are still too expensive, and there aren't even a lot of them (worth playing).
4k monitors (I have no use for a TV) are not as mature as I hoped them to be at this point either (since it would have double use for my PC which is capable of playing any multiplatform title).

So here I am, 3 years later, unable to justify buying this thing.
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Ha this should have been a dear diary post. Where is that Jim Carrey Truman show gif when I need it.

Anderson DL said:
Stolen from another thread.

Playstation 4 Pro [OT] Because I'm an Exhausted, Overworked Adult with Expendable Income, and Buying New Gadgets Makes Me Feel Temporarily Excited About Life Again.
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This is so me
 
jabberwocker said:
Is it just me but do all of these reviews seem a bit light? Even digital foundry's seem a bit half assed. Where are the noise metrics, vr comparisons , remote play analysis, etc. They have had the consoles for about a week and we know hardly anything new.
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I feel the same. Part of what's going to get me to spend the money is heat and noise. My OG ps4 is very loud, produces tons of heat and has video issues.
likely from blowing vape smoke into it
I plan to get another ps4 just because of these issues but not knowing the basics is killing me.
 
0coolclimate0 said:
I feel the same. Part of what's going to get me to spend the money is heat and noise. My OG ps4 is very loud, produces tons of heat and has video issues.
likely from blowing vape smoke into it
I plan to get another ps4 just because of these issues but not knowing the basics is killing me.
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There are reviews that give details regards noise and heat, all of which have said it runs cooler and is quieter than the original PS4.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-4-pro-review/1100-6445141/
 
Frostburn said:
You don't think Sony would sell even MORE PS4 Pros if those few games I mentioned were to get a patch? You don't think people play those anymore, that Sony doesn't have metrics on systems connected to PSN on what people are playing and for how long?

I'm not talking about a single person and everyone's opinion is going to be different but we've seen time and time again where gamers will complain about something but then be part of the problem by buying in to DLC, day 1 games that are broken, etc. We take the abuse, it is part of the give and take of being a hardcore gamer these days. Doesn't mean ALL of us have to like it, I buy far fewer games day 1 now and am super weary about Season Passes.

I'm disappointed a bit by the way the PS4 Pro handles it's extra power but I'm excited about what is there already and what the future holds, again not everything is black and white. I am still buying the Pro for those future games, I honestly think the discussion around the Pro has been interesting to get other's perspectives, it helps me understand opposing points of view (At least in some cases that are well articulated and not just personal attacks).
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Not alot more.
The majority of people who already wanted to play Bloodborne and the Witcher already did it.

Of course it would be nice and especially in both those cases, I would have also loved a patch. Allthough Bloodborne isn't officially off the table yet.
However, it's kinda the same argument and a weaker one, then we had with BC at the start of the gen.
People vastly overestimate the appeal of it.

I just understand studios like CDPR who're full into development of a new title and are just finished with Witcher 3.
Just take a look at the pro patches that will be here at launch, the majority of older games are Sony titles or are published by Sony.
There might be a few exceptions in the future as some other devs might drop a patch for an older title, but the majority of things will be from titles that only released during the last year or will have a release in the future.
Let's also not forget the price point, it's just not really attractive for some devs when your game is already a usual guest of the usual sales.

And yes, I think Sony should have invested a bit more with some titles they're associated to.
Like The Order, Bloodborne, Driveclub, Until Dawn, Killzone or Resogun, but that situation is tricky in some cases.

Another case would be devs who had nearly broken titles like Just Cause...

jabberwocker said:
Is it just me but do all of these reviews seem a bit light? Even digital foundry's seem a bit half assed. Where are the noise metrics, vr comparisons , remote play analysis, etc. They have had the consoles for about a week and we know hardly anything new.
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Partly.
We heard that DF only had one console and therefore SSD testing would just consume an unecessary amount of time.
Some things will be done soon enough I suppose.
 
Pennywise said:
Not alot more.
The majority of people who already wanted to play Bloodborne and the Witcher already did it.

Of course it would be nice and especially in both those cases, I would have also loved a patch. Allthough Bloodborne isn't officially off the table yet.
However, it's kinda the same argument and a weaker one, then we had with BC at the start of the gen.
People vastly overestimate the appeal of it.

I just understand studios like CDPR who're full into development of a new title and are just finished with Witcher 3.
Just take a look at the pro patches that will be here at launch, the majority of older games are Sony titles or are published by Sony.
There might be a few exceptions in the future as some other devs might drop a patch for an older title, but the majority of things will be from titles that only released during the last year or will have a release in the future.

And yes, I think Sony should have invested a bit more with some titles they're associated to.
Like The Order, Bloodborne, Driveclub, Until Dawn, Killzone or Resogun, but that situation is tricky in some cases.
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I can get behind that (especially the BC part), I still need to go back and play some of the Bloodborne DLC and I still play Destiny off and on for both raiding and PVP. Played The Witcher 3 on my PC. Oh well, lots of great games coming out soon. For me the benefits of the console are super exciting even for little things like the lack of fan noise and extra drive space coming from a launch PS4.
 
Anderson DL said:
Stolen from another thread.

Playstation 4 Pro [OT] Because I'm an Exhausted, Overworked Adult with Expendable Income, and Buying New Gadgets Makes Me Feel Temporarily Excited About Life Again.
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How can you read my mind :(

Haines said:
Lol everyone batching about past games.

Every game going forward will have Pro support.

It will be great!
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Yep, a lot of people are running with the Xbox S 2 fps advantage and running with it.
 
Anderson DL said:
Stolen from another thread.

Playstation 4 Pro [OT] Because I'm an Exhausted, Overworked Adult with Expendable Income, and Buying New Gadgets Makes Me Feel Temporarily Excited About Life Again.
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Real as fuck.

Still surprised Destiny isn't getting patched. It seems like something Bungie would be all for as it doesn't seem like it would require them to mess with their garbage content tools.
 
Buggy Loop said:
Well actually, it is. 4K is hard to pull off but it's not an "in your face" graphical improvement compared to what that extra power could give you in eye candies. 4K on a 50 inch TV is not a huge increase from 1080p
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Bullshit. I just took my elderly parents TV shopping and even they, with failing eyesight, could tell the difference between 4k and 1080p when side by side. Hell they could tell a difference between the 4k Samsung Curve TV they bought and the cheaper 4k vizio that I convinced them not to buy.

This idea that only videophiles notice stuff like this is absolute bullshit fud. If it was true then normies wouldn't be convinced in a side by side comparison.

edit: To clarify they convinced themselves on 4k, I just couldn't allow them to buy a 4k Vizio if 4k was the way they were going to go.
 
Haines said:
Lol everyone batching about past games.

Every game going forward will have Pro support.

It will be great!
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If backward compatibility on xbox one is any indication, passed games are more important than people think. I know its not "up to sony" at this point but if devs put the effort, it would go a long way.
 
One has to think that any major release for Sony going forward will take advantage of the system. If you have the money or don't care about the price and want the latest and greatest...I say go for it.

If you like your standard PS4 and will hold on to it until the PS5 or whatever... that is your decision. Personally I think that its worth the pick up for the future games alone and the fact that some of the games I already have in my library are getting patched as well... then it is a no brainer.
 
Karspankey said:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/03/39-games-enhanced-for-ps4-pro-launch/

Um guys, wasn't Battlefield 1 on this list?
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VincentMatts said:
Its on this one:

https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...-will-be-optimised-for-ps4-pro-on-launch-day/
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Wait what. Well, DICE is based in Europe so they'd know...?
 
VincentMatts said:
If backward compatibility on xbox one is any indication, passed games are more important than people think. I know its not "up to sony" at this point but if devs put the effort, it would go a long way.
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It's not, otherwise it would have been a major factor saleswise, which it wasn't.
I'm pretty glad they took those steps though and can't wait to get back to Lost Odyssey, once I got some spare cash for an X1S.

Frostburn said:
I can get behind that (especially the BC part), I still need to go back and play some of the Bloodborne DLC and I still play Destiny off and on for both raiding and PVP. Played The Witcher 3 on my PC. Oh well, lots of great games coming out soon. For me the benefits of the console are super exciting even for little things like the lack of fan noise and extra drive space coming from a launch PS4.
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Enjoy it.
Along with the Witcher 3 dlc, it is among my favorite DLC pieces ever.
 
Haines said:
Lol everyone batching about past games.

Every game going forward will have Pro support.

It will be great!
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That's what gets me, it almost feels like the people who are bitching at this point are even more likely to pick it up because if that's the only complaint you can find, then this thing is going to sell like hotcakes. The fact that the Pro is getting great reviews must just be pissing off people who tried to convince themselves it wouldn't be a worthy upgrade and/or just don't want to spend the money. Just accept the greatness that awaits and let it wash over you.
 
Haines said:
Lol everyone batching about past games.

Every game going forward will have Pro support.

It will be great!
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Inceptional said:
That's what gets me, it almost feels like the people who are bitching at this point are even more likely to pick it up because if that's the only complaint you can find, then this thing is going to sell like hotcakes. The fact that the Pro is getting great reviews must just be pissing off people who tried to convince themselves it wouldn't be a worthy upgrade and/or just don't want to spend the money. Just accept the greatness that awaits and let it wash over you.
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...you guys know not everyone has a PS4 right? I'm looking forward to playing UC4 and Infamous with the Pro Patch. Even though it makes no sense for Sony or 3rd parties to patch older games, it would still be better for gamers..
 
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