I don't believe that scenario . Why would he want that type of backlash around the time console would launch ? ( when spec data is put out )
All you can do is imagine, xbox is rdna 12 tflops, not this gcn theory. If mod of war wants more evidence i have it. I think this is silly this is being suggested
Haha Forget it man . People will keep saying that even if u show it to them lol . Let them be but anyone who thinks about it knows it's 12 Navi TF.
I hope it is, it would be great for gaming and to push Sony and Nintendo forward!
I'm just thinking of situations where everyone can be right. Because ps5 being 9+ TFs and also having better performance than Xbox with its 12 tflops isn't really possible which is what all commentators are saying actual Devs are telling them not just one spec sheet of one of the consoles and hopes and dreams about the other. We all like to believe in special sauce but no way has any of it ever made up that kind of deficit in power.
Xbox could be 599 for all we know
Highly unlikely that they would fuck up ps5 performance because of ps1/2/3/4.Maybe something on there for PS 1/2/3 compatibility?
Jan 6. No ?
But this is not how it works. Early devkits consist of off the shelf Hardware with a software SDK. No testing of the hardware required.
Will there be a XSEX I got work tomorrow, here's some cash for a cab?
Well if they r clocking it this high they definitely need to test it before sending it out . Again 2 ghz for Navi 10 is not normal even for PC.
I guess. It's just odd it isn't coming from Playstation or SIE. Does the PS brand usually have a presence at CES?
Or maybe he doesn't want to say a specific number now in case PS5 tf were increased and MS pushed the speed further just to get that power edge, even if slight. Why lock things down now when the competition is trying to edge you out? Keep it as late as you possibly can.
Its very high yea, but not impossible (node will be more mature). I can see them hitting that freq, but cooling will have to be exceptional.
yes but there are limits. narrow and high clocked GPU has its big challenges . there is so much heat complexities you have to deal with in retail unit . so it needs a premium cooling solution which is kinda weird as these boxes will already be expensive to produce given the tech inside them
Sure, but not under a Codename Oberon. That is a semi custom chip and not a binned Navi 10. Sony would never spend hundreds of millions for a devkit only APU..
I think 36CU at 2.0GHz 9.2TF will probably emit similar amount of heat as 56CU 1.5GHZ 10.7TF one.
i m really interested to see the heat chart for navi under different clocks. is there any chart i could look up?
This makes no sense. Yes it's the same x86 architecture, but Zen is different from Jaguar and RDNA is different from GCN, you will never have true hw BC, neither with 36cus or 50 or 60 or whatever. A virtualization layer is always required, and that can be achieved regardless of CU count.
That still doesn't tackle the issue that all reports coming from Devs are saying the ps5 has a slight performance advantage.
dont forget that PS4 is selling great at $299 so maybe sony wants to position PS4 at $199 for price sensitive casual buyers against lockhart(i understand one is next gen and one is not but casual do not care as long as the games will be playable on PS4 which is till 2023 minimum )
There was "Simulating Gonzalo" in this thread. For 40CU part, sweetspot seemed to be 1.8GHZ. below that you lose more perf then you gain in power efficiency, and above that its opposite.
The larger chip, as there is lower thermal density.
But its 55% bigger chip (without taking into account bus width) that emits similar amount of heat, gives you worse yields and while it does have 18% more TF, it also has 30% lower pixel fillrate.
I have noticed some people bought lately new GPU thinking their PC will be still superior when next gen consoles will launch. These people just cant accept XSX can be even faster than their own PC, so they will rather twist what Phil Spencer has said just to feel better. But the problem is, even if you assume Phil Spencer was talking about GCN TFLOPS then it only takes 6.5-7TF Navi to match 8x xbox one consoles when it comes to game performance. That's because Navi architecture is 40-50% faster than GCN Tahiti, so MS dont need 9-10TF Navi to match 8x xbox one consoles.
? That's totally unrealistic scenario in Q4 2020, therefore personally I'm sure Phil Spencer wasnt thinking about game performance but TFLOPS metric alone, because only TFLOPS metric can explain what he said in regards to XSX power (over 8x xbox one, and 2x xbox x), 12TF GPU fits perfectly. With Windows Central and eurogamer article on top of there's really nothing that could suggest XSX will use 9TF Navi.
Sony will be making a big mistake in my opinion and people will think they are milking money to release a "mid Gen" refresh 2 years later only to maybe match Microsofts launch console, for more money.
not only that , he retweeted an article where it specifically said 12 navi TF. he wouldn't do that if it wasn't true .I have noticed some people bought lately new GPU thinking their PC will be still superior when next gen consoles will launch. These people just cant accept XSX can be even faster than their own PC, so they will rather twist what Phil Spencer has said just to feel better. But the problem is, even if you assume Phil Spencer was talking about GCN TFLOPS then it only takes 6.5-7TF Navi to match 8x xbox one consoles when it comes to game performance. That's because Navi architecture is 40-50% faster than GCN Tahiti, so MS dont need 9-10TF Navi to match 8x xbox one consoles.
Can anyone imagine XSX with only 6.5-7TF GPU
Games would not be in any state yet. It would be more tech demos and a deeper dive like the PS4 and maybe 1 level from a first party game. Games will come at E3.
Interesting, but Radeon VII is faster than the 5700(XT) in pretty much all situations regardless of clockspeeds.
That all is certainly true. However purely from a thermal point of view, I want my heat spread over a larger surface area.
Radeon VII is faster then 5700XT by few percent (depending on a game). Certainly, if you had to deliver dev kits in late 2018 early 2019 you would do so with 13TF Vega card, no? Its pretty much a match.
