Horizon: Zero Dawn confirmed for PC

psorcerer said:
Better hardware not always means better performance. You need a lot of other things: drivers, apis, software support.
I'm not sure though I want to argue on such a low level. If you don't know what I'm hinting at with "DX9" it's pointless.
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Are we still on dx9? Are amd drivers suddenly good?
 
OmegaSupreme said:
I'd be surprised to see a sequel at launch but maybe within the first year. Maybe this is to get people talking about it to keep interest up.
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at first i doubt it too...surely they want to wait for user base increase before release the game...but after seeing how BOTW driving switch sales as launch title..who know? maybe they want HZD2 be their 'botw'
 
psorcerer said:
We're not. But it's despite a lot of Nvidia efforts to keep it.



Nope. They don't have the manpower.
Sony's drivers/apis for GCN are pretty good though.
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So you have no point then? It's all good man. Enjoy your badass exclusives... oh wait... I mean your badass console exclusives at 30 fps
 
OmegaSupreme said:
So you have no point then? It's all good man. Enjoy your badass exclusives... oh wait... I mean your badass console exclusives at 30 fps
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I think I was pretty clear.
TLDR: this gen no innovation ever came from PC. Mainly because there's no real difference in features between PCs and consoles. At the gen end NV found RTX. But was quickly neutered by AMD.
The next gen will be even more plain.
Consoles and PCs will be much closer in performance and features.
 
psorcerer said:
I think I was pretty clear.
TLDR: this gen no innovation ever came from PC. Mainly because there's no real difference in features between PCs and consoles. At the gen end NV found RTX. But was quickly neutered by AMD.
The next gen will be even more plain.
Consoles and PCs will be much closer in performance and features.
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Do you think multiplatform games are held back by console or pc? Just out of curiosity. Let's use Crysis 1 vs Crysis 2. Completely different games. Went from an open world game to a corridor shooter. Hint: it wasn't because of pc. Take that and apply it to every multiplatform game

There's an obvious reason why games have been held back this generation.
 
psorcerer said:
I think I was pretty clear.
TLDR: this gen no innovation ever came from PC. Mainly because there's no real difference in features between PCs and consoles. At the gen end NV found RTX. But was quickly neutered by AMD.
The next gen will be even more plain.
Consoles and PCs will be much closer in performance and features.
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In the beginning they will be closer sure. Then amd/nvidia release another gpu generation and it's all over again. And the gap keeps getting bigger through the course of the generation. It's really all good though. I'm a playstation guy as well. I'm simply not dumb though and acknowledge it's far inferior to the experience you can get on pc tech wise.
 
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This is huge.
It might mean a new direction since all of this started with the change of the people on top.
Yoshida can't save it this time.
 
psorcerer said:
Multi is never made with a top 10% in mind. The fact that game is multi means they want 99% of the market. Which means: low end PCs and lowest console configs.



Not an interesting comparison. C1 was always bottlenecked by vram bw.
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Well apply the concept to *insert any multiplatform game*. Why does the pc always have better features and functionality? I doubt it's just by chance.
 
diffusionx said:
Here's exactly what CDPR said.



Here's the reality. Every game is in this boat. Ace Combat 7 and Tekken need PC as part of achievable sales and for the higher budget. Selling to more platforms makes higher budgets possible. Witcher 3 isn't special and consoles don't have unique magic sauce that makes games possible. They're just a platform that people buy into and other people support, same as PC. If Sony leans into PC more, their games will get the same benefit.

www.neogaf.com

CDPR: Witcher 3 was made possible because of console sales

Edit: shit, damn the enter button, I entered too soon, lol. Pulled a Sopranos there. Mods, can one of you complete/change the title? :( Edit 2: Thank you! Did the console versions restrict the PC version? "If the consoles are not involved there is no Witcher 3 as it is," answers Marcin...
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com
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Heres the fact, Sony games much like Horizon, GOW, The Last Of Us etc already sell millions upon millions of copies alone on one system and dont need PC sales to bolster them up. Those games you mentioned are already niche where they need the extra platform to succeed, sony doesnt.
 
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DoctaThompson said:
Off topic question for you specifically... Do you own any stock in Sony, cause you are really defending them. They should pay you, if they aren't already. Do you think Sony will go out of business by doing this? Are you aware that Sony can either miss out on money, or make money by putting games on pc? I for one won't buy a ps5, but Sony can make money from me by putting it's games on pc. It's really not rocket science. Many pc owners have no interest in buying a console, but they will buy games for their pc's. Also, do you have any other examples, or will you continue to pedal the Witcher 3 for every single comment, going forward?
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Im a guy invested in the Sony brand because I buy their console, And I would hate what happened to xbox by putting their games on pc also happen to Sony, esp with the lack of quality pf games as well
 
psorcerer said:
The differences are pretty minor.
There're only some quantitative differences.
Nothing's on a different level. As it was some time ago.
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Can you see the difference between 30fps and 60fps? Or even 144fps or 240fps? If higher resolution textures, raytracing, and higher framerate, is just a minor difference, then I don't know what to say.
 
TheStruggler said:
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Im a guy invested in the Sony brand because I buy their console, And I would hate what happened to xbox by putting their games on pc also happen to Sony, esp with the lack of quality pf games as well
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What does quality of games have to do with releasing on pc? I don't get the correlation? There are many people who didn't buy a ps4, which means no money for Sony. Now what if those same people could purchase Sony's games? Wouldn't that be money for Sony? Why would Sony keep all of their eggs in one basket?

Take Apple for instance, they depended on strictly hardware. Now they are selling services to combat the loss of money in hardware. Why would Sony even release these Sony exclusives on pc on the first place? It would seem likely they are expanding to make more money and reach potentially new customers, that were otherwise not going to purchase Sony hardware in the first place. That doesn't devalue your brand. Now if Microsoft released gears of war or halo on the ps5, that would devalue the brand. But releasing on PC is like whatever. More sales = more money
 
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DoctaThompson said:
Can you see the difference between 30fps and 60fps? Or even 144fps or 240fps? If higher resolution textures, raytracing, and higher framerate, is just a minor difference, then I don't know what to say.
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Not to mention the ability to mod and free online play. Also competition in digital storefronts. Almost infinite backwards compatibility. But hey... no quantitative differences.
 
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TheStruggler said:
Heres the fact, Sony games much like Horizon, GOW, The Last Of Us etc already sell millions upon millions of copies alone on one system and dont need PC sales to bolster them up. Those games you mentioned are already niche where they need the extra platform to succeed, sony doesnt.
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LOL find me the one company that will turn down hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue for no reason. If they don't need it why are they doing it? Remember it's not just this, we know for a fact MLB The Show is coming, and there will be more.

And Sony's games will benefit from the increased exposure and revenue, like it or not.
 
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DoctaThompson said:
What does quality of games have to do with releasing on pc? I don't get the correlation? There are many people who didn't buy a ps4, which means no money for Sony. Now what if those same people could purchase Sony's games? Wouldn't that be money for Sony? Why would Sony keep all of their eggs in one basket?

Take Apple for instance, they depended on strictly hardware. Now they are selling services to combat the loss of money in hardware. Why would Sony even release these Sony exclusives on pc on the first place? It would seem likely they are expanding to make more money and reach potentially new customers, that were otherwise not going to purchase Sony hardware in the first place. That doesn't devalue your brand. Now if Microsoft released gears of war or halo on the ps5, that would devalue the brand. But releasing on PC is like whatever.
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Its a short term solution for money when long term wpuld be keeping your games one on platform. You make the person buy the platform which will sell more exclusives and even third parry licensing games which make the most software sales for a company. You have people just buy games on pc you lose a bunch of hardware sales for people who will just wait for the software on pc, if games also are bought on PC sony loses an abundance of money losing a ps plus subscription for online games etc. In the end again, they will make less money long term because if they put it anywhere there is no reason to invest in the brand at a hardware stand point anymore thus cutting way more other losses too.

also Xbox started to go downhill alot when there games were put everywhere or on PC, console sales went down, there is no urgency to buy a next gen console from them if games are also on PC, and also the quality of their games have dropped significantly due to gamepass and having their games everywhere
 
diffusionx said:
LOL find me the one company that will turn down hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue for no reason. If they don't need it why are they doing it? Remember it's not just this, we know for a fact MLB The Show is coming, and there will be more.

And Sony's games will benefit from the increased exposure and revenue, like it or not.
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They are doing it much like MS to show a quick profit while in the long run they will lose more and more hardware sales thus losing out on even more money from subscription services, third party games sold etc. Their games already sell a ton where they dont need PC, the only reason why MS did the whole PC thing is because their games sales suffered significantly this gen
 
TheStruggler said:
Its a short term solution for money when long term wpuld be keeping your games one on platform. You make the person buy the platform which will sell more exclusives and even third parry licensing games which make the most software sales for a company. You have people just buy games on pc you lose a bunch of hardware sales for people who will just wait for the software on pc, if games also are bought on PC sony loses an abundance of money losing a ps plus subscription for online games etc. In the end again, they will make less money long term because if they put it anywhere there is no reason to invest in the brand at a hardware stand point anymore thus cutting way more other losses too.

also Xbox started to go downhill alot when there games were put everywhere or on PC, console sales went down, there is no urgency to buy a next gen console from them if games are also on PC, and also the quality of their games have dropped significantly due to gamepass and having their games everywhere
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All jokes aside, was that your Twitter post, where the kid was mad that Horizon is coming out on pc? You seem to think games releasing on PC is a bad thing. And it doesn't make sense about Sony losing hardware sales. Let's keep using this example.

I'm not going to buy a ps5, period. It's not because Sony is releasing it's games on pc. It's because I never had the intention of buying either console in the first place. There is no hardware loss in my scenario. But now that Sony is going to release games on PC, I'll probably buy a game or two.

Do you honestly think Sony is just going to go bankrupt if the ps5 "loses" out on a hardware sale from me, or to all the people who share the same sentiment?

And please can you show objective proof that quality of games have went down since gamepass? Why do people get so emotional and salty when games release on PC? Shouldn't people get excited that more people get to play a game they enjoy? Too much Na + Cl is bad for you.
 
DoctaThompson said:
Can you see the difference between 30fps and 60fps? Or even 144fps or 240fps? If higher resolution textures, raytracing, and higher framerate, is just a minor difference, then I don't know what to say.
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Double blind tests show that 30 vs 60 is overrated. 60 vs 120 is non-existent.
Yes, some games use frame time as physics/collision ticks. But that's just a bad software design.
All multi games have these textures inside.
For some resolutions higher res textures do not give any advantages. And can even hurt the IQ due to over-aliasing.
 
TheStruggler said:
They are doing it much like MS to show a quick profit while in the long run they will lose more and more hardware sales thus losing out on even more money from subscription services, third party games sold etc. Their games already sell a ton where they dont need PC, the only reason why MS did the whole PC thing is because their games sales suffered significantly this gen
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No, they're not trying to show a quick profit, and they won't lose hardware sales in any material way, as I've read a zillion times in this forum, console gamers like console. That won't change. And PC gamers don't buy consoles to play a handful of exclusives. It's just a bigger market.

They may not "need to", but if you can't see the value in selling, say, 14 million copies instead of 10 million, I don't know what to say. In the end, it's better for everyone, and the games will benefit from the extra sales and higher budgets, just like Witcher 3.
 
psorcerer said:
Double blind tests show that 30 vs 60 is overrated. 60 vs 120 is non-existent.
Yes, some games use frame time as physics/collision ticks. But that's just a bad software design.
All multi games have these textures inside.
For some resolutions higher res textures do not give any advantages. And can even hurt the IQ due to over-aliasing.
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Lmao I can't tell if you are trolling, or being dead serious. Either way, I want whatever your smoking.
 
psorcerer said:
Double blind tests show that 30 vs 60 is overrated. 60 vs 120 is non-existent.
Yes, some games use frame time as physics/collision ticks. But that's just a bad software design.
All multi games have these textures inside.
For some resolutions higher res textures do not give any advantages. And can even hurt the IQ due to over-aliasing.
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Almost all of this is completely false. I'll just tackle two for brevity though. Assassins Creed Odyssey has better textures on xbox one x and pc over playstation. Digital foundry can tell you all about it. It's quite noticeable.

The 30 fps vs 60 fps being over rated is really something I'd like to see receipts on
Its objectively better. 60 fps vs 120 is also noticeable to anyone with eyeballs. There's a linus tech tips video you can look up for that.
 
OmegaSupreme said:
Almost all of this is completely false. I'll just tackle two for brevity though. Assassins Creed Odyssey has better textures on xbox one x and pc over playstation. Digital foundry can tell you all about it. It's quite noticeable.

The 30 fps vs 60 fps being over rated is really something I'd like to see receipts on
Its objectively better. 60 fps vs 120 is also noticeable to anyone with eyeballs. There's a linus tech tips video you can look up for that.
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Even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see the difference between those framerate differences. I can't take that guy serious. His posts are rather hilarious though.
 
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OmegaSupreme said:
Almost all of this is completely false. I'll just tackle two for brevity though. Assassins Creed Odyssey has better textures on xbox one x and pc over playstation. Digital foundry can tell you all about it. It's quite noticeable.

The 30 fps vs 60 fps being over rated is really something I'd like to see receipts on
Its objectively better. 60 fps vs 120 is also noticeable to anyone with eyeballs. There's a linus tech tips video you can look up for that.
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Sorry guys. I don't need any videos.
I was gaming on PCs when these guys were not even born yet. 😂
If you think that target framerates are not tested on focus groups in AAA games, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. 😂
Frame time doesn't sell.
Unless it's all over the place - nobody notices.
PCs were always notoriously bad with stable frame rates. That's why there's a myth that 60 is so much better. In reality people from the street have hard time noticing.
 
ManaByte said:
Guess you don't need a PlayStation anymore.
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This argument needs to die out, because if you game fully on PC then sure, that argument can be used but if you bought a consoles and for years have used a console why would you automatically switch to PC? Just because a game is somewhere else. I'm so glad Sony is doing this because it shows the true nature of the gaming community bias.
 
psorcerer said:
The level of the discussion is too low again.
Anything interesting to say?
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My apologizes. I'm guessing you were being serious....


Well I'm not sure what else to say. But I'm interested to see what other games are gonna release on steam from Sony. I'd like to see GOW and TLOU on high settings, and to see what optimization and additions they might add besides the usual uplifts games get.
 
psorcerer said:
Sorry guys. I don't need any videos.
I was gaming on PCs when these guys were not even born yet. 😂
If you think that target framerates are not tested on focus groups in AAA games, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. 😂
Frame time doesn't sell.
Unless it's all over the place - nobody notices.
PCs were always notoriously bad with stable frame rates. That's why there's a myth that 60 is so much better. In reality people from the street have hard time noticing.
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Okay pal. Now I know you have to be trolling. A myth that 60fps is better? Who told you that? Elvis? You dont need videos? So you don't like evidence then? Would you care to give any? Like any at all? You sound like a madman lol. This announcement has really broken you.
 
DoctaThompson said:
My apologizes. I'm guessing you were being serious....


Well I'm not sure what else to say. But I'm interested to see what other games are gonna release on steam from Sony. I'd like to see GOW and TLOU on high settings, and to see what optimization and additions they might add besides the usual uplifts games get.
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I'm not sure why they need to work hard to make these uplifts. Isn't 60 fps enough?
 
I had a lot of fun with it back in the day but don't think I'll double dip.

Definitely soured myself just slightly going for that 100%. Would recommend to most to stay on the main path and not divert unless you end up somewhat obsessed by the end.
 
OmegaSupreme said:
Okay pal. Now I know you have to be trolling. A myth that 60fps is better? Who told you that? Elvis? You dont need videos? So you don't like evidence then? Would you care to give any? Like any at all? You sound like a madman lol. This announcement has really broken you.
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If you have any double-blind videos. Pls share.
DF bullshit will not cut it.
 
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