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[Vaztu]

To be fair, Cerny tried, but we were just not ready

If Mark(or Amanda) would have named the SSD and I/O as 'Hermes Architecture' or some gimmicky name we wouldn't have this problem.

Alot of the posts Tim replies to are trying to differentiate between SSD bandwidth and other parts of the architecture without revealing more than what Sony have told us.

 

[Codexer]

On the Polish website is "Premiere in the holiday season 2020".

PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation

Wszystko, co musisz wiedzieć o konsolach PlayStation®5 i PlayStation®5 Digital Edition w nowej wersji PS5 Slim. Najlepsze gry i akcesoria na PS5 oraz kontroler bezprzewodowy DualSense.

www.playstation.com

 

[Thirty7ven]

If both XSX and PS5 NA launches have to be delayed, which will suffer most?

 

[Vroadstar]

This announcement was done on 29th May, 4 days ago. The website was changed then, no one noticed it till now. Why is this coming out now?

Sure the marketing could be done better, but 2020 has not been kind at all.

Isn't is obvious? someone even made a thread about it, unfortunately, the OP got banned, but hey the concern is there and usual suspects concerns are there too

 

[Vae_Victis]

If both XSX and PS5 NA launches have to be delayed, which will suffer most?

Probably neither. They more or less go for the same target market, as long as they come out at the same time external circumstances will affect them both in a similar measure.

If one delays and the other doesn't, then things will get interesting.

 

[Radical_3d]

If both XSX and PS5 NA launches have to be delayed, which will suffer most?

NeoGAF.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

If both XSX and PS5 NA launches have to be delayed, which will suffer most?

Sony has two major AAA titles coming out this summer, I would think MS is needing the new console wave a little more than Sony. I am not smart with business stuff though, I could be wrong.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[zaitsu]

Probably neither. They more or less go for the same target market, as long as they come out at the same time external circumstances will affect them both in a similar measure.

If one delays and the other doesn't, then things will get interesting.

Why we are talking about delaying anythig... Sony should get their shit together. Their marketing reached the bottom with this site fail. Now i feel they will need to respond to that FUD.

 

[marvifrom]

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Clear your notifications please.

 

[NeoGiffer]

Sony has two major AAA titles coming out this summer, I would think MS is needing the new console wave a little more than Sony. I am not smart with business stuff though, I could be wrong.

 

[IkarugaDE]

Ok guys, think we can come down.

I examined the google cache. Sony only replaced the logo on the top (where the holiday-info was shown) with the dualsense video right after the announcment of the stream for june the 4th. That happened on some but not all pages for different languages. The first version of that mp4 was with the date and local time of the event (but also not for all countries and languages). After the event was cancelled, they replaced the dualsense video with the local date and time with a dualsense video without any information. On some countries this site with the dualsense but without any information of the stream still exists since the announcment of the stream. And on some other countries, they didn't changed the site at all.

That's the reason why on some sites you still see the holiday-info (cause the site never was updated since the announcment) and on the others you get that dualsense video.

One good proof:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rSiDmLCgzCYJ:https://www.playstation.com/en-id/ps5/+&cd=4&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1

It's a timestamp from the PS5 site from Indonesia @ 31st of may.

 

[jonnyp]

Clear your notifications please.

Please don't. Let it grow like unkept pubes just to mess with B Bladed Thesis

 

[Vae_Victis]

Why we are talking about delaying anythig... Sony should get their shit together. Their marketing reached the bottom with this site fail. Now i feel they will need to respond to that FUD.

It's not about the website, at least for me. That of course on its own means nothing.

The thing is, in the gaming industry release dates are announced, confirmed several times and eventually delayed very regularly even at the best of times.

The moment Covid-19 arrived the assembly machine in China got a span in its gears, which costs companies time and money. Then the world economy started going worse and worse, and now the US (about 25% of the global gaming market) are standing on the edge of a civil war - in the middle of a pandemic and an economic crisis.

The only reason why both Microsoft and Sony want to launch in 2020 rather than delay to the first half of 2021 is because they are scared the other one might arrive on the market first. But if in their calculations they decide either that even then it wouldn't be worth it to maintain the current timeline, or that the rival company will also be forced to move, a delay is absolutely possible.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

As an England Football supporter, NEVER AGAIN MENTION THAT NAME.

I'm as well an England Football supporter, but Mancunian-wannabe first .

 

[xacto]

MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO PANIC?!

 

[Vaztu]

Clear your notifications please.

Is that the only problem you got ?

 

[thurnishaleygw]

MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO PANIC?!

 

[sircaw]

I'm as well an England Football supporter, but Mancunian-wannabe first .

As long as it's The RED end. There is no place for any Noel Gallagher lovers on this Forum.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Is that the only problem you got ?

I thought commenting on the light theme travesty was low-hanging fruit to be honest.

 

[geordiemp]

Because it’s using the old api and it has to read as well as write the full amount. I know Sony is faster but you are exaggerating the speed difference between the two. We should at least wait until Sony demonstrates their game pause and resume for older games to get an accurate comparison.

Sony wont do a pause resume i believe, its so fast they dont need it .

Old api on XSX pause resume demo shown about 4 weeks ago ? MS better get their skates on then.

Actually I agree I do thing MS is behind on their IO APIs, otherwise they would of shown better....or they are daft lol

 

[Bladed Thesis]

I'm as well an England Football supporter, but Mancunian-wannabe first .

This saddens me deeply.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Light theme rules. #TeamLightThemeForever

 

[ToadMan]

My first reaction is to panic but I am gonna hold out until there is official. Could mean nothing. Ryan did just give that interview saying they are "absolutely on track." We'll see. Would be a huge bummer if delayed but I have faith in the Holiday launch window

Ah they're probably just worried about offending non Christians with the Holiday reference. Marketing department puts out a memo and the department heads go round cleaning things up to fall in line.

Sony are a little too touchy about things like this for my liking though. Then again, they want to get sales where they can so their goal is to be the blandest, most inoffensive brand around so that everyone can love them guilt free....

 

[xacto]

I thought commenting on the light theme travesty was low-hanging fruit to be honest.

Oh yes, now that you mentioned it... Bo_Hazem - who uses a light theme these days anymore?! Get your house in order, mate

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

It is absolutely insane the fact that some Anonynous anime profile on twitter is on the crusade against the Head of Unreal Engine himself becsuse he is happy with Sony solution for PS5 for data streaming.

They think they have better knlowledge. I am in disbilief

Well, I apologize on behalf of all the anonymous anime profiles on the internet and assure you this person will be dealt with in our next community meeting

 

[Neo Blaster]

its been a series of events. this whole fucking year has been a mess.


December 2019 - They literally watched Phil reveal his new console in front of them, boast about being the most powerful and show a game that looked far better than the PS5 game at the game award.
Jan 2020 - After 1 month of anticipation, they went to CES only to show a logo.
Jan 2020 - Sony cancels their E3 conference.
March - After two months of no communcation, Releases a poorly received Road to PS5 video without the UE5 demo which was ready to go at that point.
June - After another two months of dragging their heels, cancels the reveal two days after announcing it.

And I am not buying this 25 years of being successful BS. JC Penny was successful for 100 years. It went backrupt last week. Companies rise and fall in America. The PS3 is proof that Sony can fuck up a launch big time. Xbox One is proof that after the success of Xbox 360, MS could fuck up. Same goes for the Wii U.

In fact, Nintendo has been successful for 30 years now and they are as irrelevant as ever when it comes to pushing tech forward. No one even brings up Nintendo in tech threads and they are selling record number of consoles. Them being successful and profitable means nothing to me and 99% of the posters in this thread. the Past simply doesnt matter, we need to judge them for the way they have gone about revealing their new console and its been a fucking disaster so far.

Man, just relax and take some littium.

 

[xacto]

Man, just relax and take some littium.

Chocolate helps more. Who doesn't like chocolate will be burnt at the stake anyway, so you'd better like chocolate

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Oh yes, now that you mentioned it... Bo_Hazem - who uses a light theme these days anymore?! Get your house in order, mate

I love dark themes everywhere, but tried it here and made me dizzy.

 

[Vaztu]

Chocolate helps more. Who doesn't like chocolate will be burnt at the stake anyway, so you'd better like chocolate

Or just wank the anger off

 

[geordiemp]

I'm as well an England Football supporter, but Mancunian-wannabe first .

Well none of the other Man U supporters are from Manchester either, so your in good company

 

[Vaztu]

I love dark themes everywhere, but tried it here and made me dizzy.

Time to lobby to the mods. This is unacceptable.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

For PS5? A new Vita?

 

[Neo Blaster]

Or just wank the anger off

Yep, I provided that Amanda Cerny gif and talked about the Playboy video, now go and chill out.

 

[xacto]

I love dark themes everywhere, but tried it here and made me dizzy.

You will have to convince me by providing proof, you know "pics or it didn't happen" otherwise...

 

[ToadMan]

March - After two months of no communcation, Releases a poorly received Road to PS5 video without the UE5 demo which was ready to go at that point.

1. Totally the opposite in fact - for anyone who cares about the tech anyway. If you don't care about tech then see you at launch day.

2. The timing of the Epic demo is Epic's business - not in Sony's control.

 

[Insane Metal]

Light theme rules. #TeamLightThemeForever

Hell yeah

ps: you don't like me. You didn't answer my pm

Sent you a dick pic and got nothing back not true obvsly

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Well none of the other Man U supporters are from Manchester either, so your in good company

Imagine supporting Man U unironically.

 

[Shio]

Jeeeeeeeeeeezzz! What NOW??!! Watch it move to 'Q1 2021' or worse... 'coming Spring 2021!' Just........wow.

don't worry it will come soon....

 

[SSfox]

its been a series of events. this whole fucking year has been a mess.


December 2019 - They literally watched Phil reveal his new console in front of them, boast about being the most powerful and show a game that looked far better than the PS5 game at the game award.
Jan 2020 - After 1 month of anticipation, they went to CES only to show a logo.
Jan 2020 - Sony cancels their E3 conference.
March - After two months of no communcation, Releases a poorly received Road to PS5 video without the UE5 demo which was ready to go at that point.
June - After another two months of dragging their heels, cancels the reveal two days after announcing it.

And I am not buying this 25 years of being successful BS. JC Penny was successful for 100 years. It went backrupt last week. Companies rise and fall in America. The PS3 is proof that Sony can fuck up a launch big time. Xbox One is proof that after the success of Xbox 360, MS could fuck up. Same goes for the Wii U.

In fact, Nintendo has been successful for 30 years now and they are as irrelevant as ever when it comes to pushing tech forward. No one even brings up Nintendo in tech threads and they are selling record number of consoles. Them being successful and profitable means nothing to me and 99% of the posters in this thread. the Past simply doesnt matter, we need to judge them for the way they have gone about revealing their new console and its been a fucking disaster so far.

 

[Gediminas]

Imagine supporting Man U unironically.

don't use Man U, it is insulting and highly offensive.

 

[xacto]

I love dark themes everywhere, but tried it here and made me dizzy.

Wait, I got a better one for you, to "light the mood" - see what I did there?!

 

[Vaztu]

Well none of the other Man U supporters are from Manchester either, so your in good company

You got your measurements in ?

just kidding ofcourse
EDIT: I want to add that I wanted Saudis to takeover Man Utd

 

[saintjules]

Just a wait an see at this point obviously

 

[BadBreathOfTheWild]

Game Cartridges are awesome. Done properly you have directly addressable ROM that can be as fast as and save on SSD storage. They can also include custom hardware accelerators and other things specific to a particular game.
None of that is anywhere near as cheap as pressing a disc, though. It's probably just a modified SD card for a future handheld.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

don't use Man U, it is insulting and highly offensive.

 

[pawel86ck]

The numbers and times for State decay 2 and the 5 or so quick resume games are what were chosen by Microsoft not me lol. You can look it up yourself.

Also I doubt all of those 5 games which run on 5 GB RAM hardware current gen genuinely take up 13 GB lol, that is also wishful thinking. Some are 2 D games ....mmm.

There is something not right, and yes I believe its the file system which MS are probably working on a dedicated partition or something, maybe thats where the 100 GB comes in.

SFS+ is selecting parts of geometries and textures, does not speed up a resume. Also resume on XSX is saved by XSX and reloaded, so it will be using all the hardware available...so I dont buy the

MS are not stupid but they are where they are, and I suspect they were a bit blindsided by that UE5 demo - otherwise MS would of shown something quicker.

The issue with MS is the absraction layers and apis, advantages for BC but can slow shit down. I could give you dev links from current gen and Dx11 woes but cannot be arsed.

Numbers are not the problem, it's your interpretation.

The reality is only MS knows if BC games are using XSX I/O hardware features to the fullest and how much gigabytes they need for BC suspended games, yet you already assumed the worst possible scenario. Your estimation (5 GB for BC RAM dumps) was already too low, but on top of that you were assuming these BC dumps must be compressed, therefore you wrote 3 GB. 8 second load time (number from your post) for suspended 3 GB game equals around 375 MB/s, that's far from 4.8-6 GB/s possible on XSX.

XSX 375 MB/s vs PS5 9-20 GB/s. Based on what you wrote we would have to assume Cerny build 24-53x faster I/O in PS5.

 

[sircaw]

don't use Man U, it is insulting and highly offensive.

Watch it, or Sony will have to postpone the conference another week again.

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

Game Cartridges are awesome. Done properly you have directly addressable ROM that can be as fast as and save on SSD storage. They can also include custom hardware accelerators and other things specific to a particular game.
None of that is anywhere near as cheap as pressing a disc, though. It's probably just a modified SD card for a future handheld.

I haven't read up on any new optical drives/discs so right know I wluld assume once the bluray-disc capacity is maxxed out we would need to swtich to some form of cartridge based on "ssd" tech. As you said.