It would be for the best. The overarching corruption and inertia has a much better chance of being addressed in smaller, independent nations, as we've seen with many of the former Soviet states.
Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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IDKFA
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I hope so, although I've read that the Russian elite are behind Putin, but I don't know how true that is.
Bit rude.
People are taking this threat seriously. Dmitry Muratov suggested this to the BBC and UK MP Ben Wallace has also not ruled the possibility of Putin using nukes.
Putin has made it known before that he absolutely would use nukes to "defend" Russia.
Do I really think it will happen? Hopefully not, but we can't rule it out.
Alx
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It's hard to be certain about anything coming from Putin considering the last few days... Using a nuke on an Ukrainian target wouldn't make any sense though, he would lose any credibility in his "we're here to unite the Rus populations and cultures" discourse (not sure exactly how many people are buying it right now, but that would reach 0 people if he started flattening entire cities full of civilians).
I suppose detonating a nuke where it wouldn't directly harm anybody could work, although it wouldn't exactly mean much especially if it's unprovoked.
I suppose detonating a nuke where it wouldn't directly harm anybody could work, although it wouldn't exactly mean much especially if it's unprovoked.
Doczu
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Sorry for that. I'm a bit stressed by this whole situation, work and personal life so i vented a bit.
Fools idol
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does anyone remember the name of the nuclear program that Russia supposedly has which is like a 'killswitch' in the sense they supposedly nuke every nation on earth as a last ditch resort? I remember reading about it some time ago but forgot what it was named.
IDKFA
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No problem. I understand. It's a stressful situation. It's all cool.
Von Hugh
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Fools idol
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that is it. Makes you wonder if it is still active, or even functional these days.. scary stuff.
Wildebeest
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Before, they threatened countries which offered help to Ukraine, of which there are now many. I don't want to second guess what plans they might have, but remember they have used small scale "assassination" weapons using nuclear material and chemical weapons in the UK and seemed very pleased with themselves and their cleverness afterwards.
darrylgorn
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It won't happen.
The correct response is to laugh and then send out NATO to kick his ass.
This sanctions vs tanktions approach is immoral and just getting more people killed.
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MidGenRefresh
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People of Ukraine are extremely brave. Russians on the other hand are fucking cowards. I'm not talking Russian soldiers. I'm talking general public. It's they who should fight this dictatorship, not Ukrainians.
J3nga
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It's easy to say when it's not you who has to start civil war.
MidGenRefresh
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Of course it is. I confirm. I just said it. It was so easy.
Putin won't be defeated from the outside. Sanctions applied by the West must be brutal. So brutal that Russian people will be pushed to civil war.
Hypereides
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Its more of a case that Putin got too comfortable and self-assured with extorting and surpressing his own people to a point where he figured could bump it up a notch and export his mafia approach across the border.
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darrylgorn
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Of course it is. I confirm. I just said it. It was so easy.
Putin won't be defeated from the outside. Sanctions applied by the West must be brutal. So brutal that Russian people will be pushed to civil war.
Sanctions are a joke.
They aren't stopping this.
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sobaka770
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1. We do what we can. Since 2008 when 100+K people went out to protest the regime has significantly increased sanctions and arrests. You'd need someone on the top making a major move against the regime in this situation.
2. War in Ukraine is not just a one-sided affair. There are real issues that were not solved properly and it's a failure of diplomacy on many levels both on Russia and the West.
Russia should not prevent a neighbouring country from aspiring to be with EU and nothing justifies needless war.
However Ukrainian government has a lot of blame to bear. Ukraine as a country with 1/3 of Russian-speakers and Russian military bases decided to join Nato and ban Russian culture completely across the whole territory (language, books etc). Cutting water to Crimea is an interesting way of getting the peninsula population on your side.
Let's face it - the country is deeply divided along the Dniepr and Maidan was not just a revolution of Dignity - it was a shift of power from pro-Russian side to anti-Russian side. In current climate with US sponsoring hardcore anti-Russian rhetoric and pumping money the result is what we see.
And nobody cares unfortunately about civilians - the only difference is that Ukraine is located Europe. When it's Syria, Iraq, China, Afghanistan - only NGOs care. The world just held Olympic games in a country where more civilians are being put in concentration camps than the affected population of Ukraine and civil liberties, propaganda and threat to neighbors are much more pronounced than anything Russia can do (apart from maybe nukes that nobody will ever fire).
So it's nice that the world came around one specific issue but it's all shit and all around sad.
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Porcile
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A bunch of them are already in prison.
Rossco EZ
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i'm curious, if putin did decide to use a small nuke on kiev (unlikely i know) would US/NATO intelligence know about this before hand by tracking troops or whatever from satellites? if so would they destroy it whilst being transported?
watching the news yesterday they mentioned US will be watching the russian troops closely etc but i was wondering if they would step in if something like this was about to be used
watching the news yesterday they mentioned US will be watching the russian troops closely etc but i was wondering if they would step in if something like this was about to be used
Lord Panda
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Russians who speak out against Putin and his cronies, are beaten, imprisoned, murdered, tortured, disappeared. I have the the utmost sympathy for the Russian people, and I don't blame them for not pitting themselves against armed soldiers and police. And those that do speak up knowing the consequences; god I wish I was as half as brave as them.
People just want to live in peace, but instead have to endure the whims of madmen.
Cyberpunkd
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All the countries monitor constantly launch sites of all the other countries possessing nuclear weapons. Everyone will know before the rocket even leaves the silo. As for the time I found this:
This is probably around 5-10 minutes for the rocket to strike Ukraine.
Rossco EZ
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i meant this, russia has these in ukraine according to intelligence (heard it on the news)Nukes aren't delivered by hand, despite the comedic opportunities.
and it can fire a small nuke from 13-15km away, i was just wondering if they knew it was imminent would they intervene
Cyberpunkd
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Rubbish take as always. My friend Ukraine does not want to play with me anymore, wait, let me INVADE THEM. That will show them what big boy Russia is capable of.
Also regarding ban on Russian culture - I found this from 2018: https://www.france24.com/en/20180920-ukraine-region-ban-russian-culture-sparks-controversy
Some choice quotes:
So it looks to me some politicians decided to be stupid and Russia is making this an official stance of the government?
Regardless, even if that was the case this is not a reason to start a WAR. Do what Ukraine did, petition international organizations to react. Did Russia do it? Nope. On the other hand with such a ethnic mix it is understandable that a nascent country would like to develop its own culture - same think happened in Lithuania, where for many years (and I think this is still the case) the use of Polish language is limited, for example Polish names and street names are written with Lithuanian alphabet. Did Poland invade Lithuania to "protect the rights of Polish people living there'? No, this is always a rubbish take an authoritarian regime would use.
NoLootBoxDev
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He drinks in a cocktail of plutonium, stabs as he falls some stairs, and then commits suicide by hitting a window from the 5th floor of a building.
Hypereides
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Hackers, very likely Russian, have shut down multiple Ukrainian embassy websites in various countries.
funkygunther
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Pure apologia. Should probably get used to the "we had no choice" narrative being regurgitated here.
Amiga
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- the world group against them before the war is the same as after the war.
- Russian economy is not based on foreign currency. the quantity of the commodity they export is irreplaceable. their national products are not premium quality but they are diversified enough for economic isolation. Europe will still buy Russian gas from 3rd parties and will pay more for it for added costs. Ukraine has vital tangible recourses that they will be added to Russian control.
STARSBarry
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News reports across multiple networks are confirming this.
For those who don't know this is what the launchers look like.
So yeah not exactly the kind of weapon you use anywhere near a civilian target unless you want to flattern the surrounding area, casualties be damned.
Fuck Russia.
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Yeah the civilian casualty reports this morning are incredibly sad. God, the fact this even happened is still just insanely stupid and evil.
Cyberpunkd
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But Russian Central Bank needs massive currency right now in order to save the Russian ruble. And considering all the foreign-held assets are being frozen Russia just got a lot less money to do so.
DeepBreath87
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You're going to see a lot of this. A lot of the "information" we see on Twitter is pretty thinly veiled propaganda. But I do think a majority of the fighting will end in the next 3-4 days.
DrAspirino
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I wouldn't be so sure about it.
So... with Russia (and particularly with Putin) nothing is out of the table.
sobaka770
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Jesus, of course there was a choice.
I was maybe unclear but there is not argument that Russia has no business waging war in Ukraine and the whole thing is a nightmare for Russians as well. Russians don't want a war. And people who wage war are those that risk much less whatever sanctions are implemented.
There were plenty of protests happening despite the bans and arrests. With the level of repression built into the current regime - the police and National Guard will have to rise up to make this happen. We don't have Navalnii being able to organise a riot without it being squashed before it starts.
And even then - even if Putin is gone through military coup - the consequences of those are rarely good in any country where that happens.
I am extremely sad that this is where we arrived in 20 years. So much land, so many resources with such a little population - we could've made a fucking paradise for ourselves.
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It still makes zero sense to nuke Kyiv, calm your tits about that happening
Doczu
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I said that Russia was just testing the waters.
They sent kids in older equipment for the first wave and now when they have an understanding what they are against they are going to use their bigger guns.
I just hope that i wasn't wrong and thst Russia really want to subdue Ukraine with as little damage and civilian casualties as possible, otherwise all you high hoping posters are gonna see what they are really capable off when they say "fuck that place in particular"
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Von Hugh
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The whole war doesn't make sense in the first place.
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For what is worth. 50% off the crazy shit he has said has become reality.
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It would still be a completely stupid thing to do if you're trying to annex the country by force. Even with all the wars in the 20th and 21st centuries, there's a pretty good reason they've only been used on two days in 1945.
They're going to shell the shit out of the cities and hope the mounting death toll breaks the Ukrainians.
chromhound
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funkygunther
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moving to terror tactics for a population you want to liberate is a tough sell
Doczu
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Then the talks are as good as over.
Russia won't leave Crimea.
Sevastopol has MAJOR strategic value in the region and the peninsula was taken by force when Russianwas losing it's grip on UA in 2014.
Wildebeest
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What do you mean "moving" to using terror tactics against people they consider their own?
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I've been saying all along Putin isn't a genius, he's just a cunt…as this campaign has demonstrated
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