Katatonic
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And then, again, some time after that.
In the event that PS5 Pro does release in 2024 but there is no new Xbox Series console because there is already Series S & X
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rm082e
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So you're thinking next Xbox generation is another two console offering? Even more powerful and expensive set top box (let's say $599-ish) and also a Steam Deck competitor ($349-ish)?
While the idea of that sounds interesting, the dual machine approach has not worked out well for them this generation. I would be surprised if their conclusion is they need to double down on that strategy.
I'll also say I don't think it really matters. I don't think hardware has really been their problem. I think their approach to new exclusive games and Gamepass have put them in the position they are in. If they aren't going to reverse course on those fronts, I think they're going to follow the same trajectory with hardware sales that they've been on.
Sw0pDiller
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Ps5 VS series x allready is awkward, series x was marketed as the greatest powerhouse with sustained 12 TF performance and some other slogans. In reality they are pretty much equal.
midnightAI
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Because more than the CPU and GPU changes between generations? Such as IO, different cooling, power, controllers etc. CPU and GPU also easily taken up the majority of cost for a console. I see what you mean if you just mean the 'Pro' upgrade, but then you are left with a useless CPU/GPU component that is then useless, at least with a whole new console you could sell it to get some money back.
Dorfdad
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Im not saying generational upgrades but more like if your product is has a 10 year life span let the vendors sell pre approved hardware upgrades throughout the life of that specific console. I understand the need for new motherboards etc between generation but they could release a Zen 2 with more cores etc, and a GPU with more memory years later.
midnightAI
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I just think it would be a very hard sell to the consumer, even modular like that you are probably talking $200-$300 each time, and it would make it tougher on Sony's first party Devs, if you want that kind of modular that's what PC is for. I think the Pro route is the best option half way through the gen, it's not a must have but good upgrade for those that can afford it (or, as mentioned, sell the base model to part fund the pro)
Perrott
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With that title and coming from a MS shill (though one with a good track record of leaking information) such as Brad Sams, I was definitely expecting him to confirm that a XSX Pro was on the way along with some specs and shit.
Very lame to find out that it was a clickbait to 10mins of the man going into why it isn't and shouldn't be a Xbox Pro this generation.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
I get it just hate the PC maintenance tax. Constant patching updates and bad ports.
Yeah he pretty much made this video just for hits
Clear
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A huge part of the impetus for Sony doing the Pro was - I'm pretty sure - the idea that MS couldn't or at least were extremely unlikely to do the same.
A huge problem for Xbox this gen has been their content pipeline, and adding more SKU's to that would only slow down production further. Just on the basis of numbers of builds needed to be maintained and QA'd, its a significant factor for development,
Impact to dev is a big deal, because support isn't mandatory. Its a mid-cycle upgrade meaning that its as likely to sell to an existing user than a new one, and therefore not going to boost overall sales of a title by much.
More time/expense for minimal benefit is not something especially appealing to third-parties. So Xbox adding another SKU in, especially when sales aren't great, was just not likely to be something anyone would be happy about industry-wide.
Sony are pushing their luck a bit with the Pro, obviously they are hedging it by making stuff like upscaling an easy "win", but I guess they can justify it based on strategic value more than profit.
Gaiff
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Very likely a bunch of three-way face offs but more than likely, the Pro will most often be compared to the regular PS5.
I'm guessing they'll also be comparing the Pro to the RTX 5060, which, if NVIDIA stops being greedy cunts (or at least less), should be somewhat comparable to it.
Daneel Elijah
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I see the PS5 Pro more of a "we did it because we could", like the Portal who was first conceived for the PS4. After the PS4 Pro relative success, Sony probably made plans for a possible PS5 Pro and when they found out that it had potential they got to do it. From their side there is no real problem in doing so and quite a few advantages. Xbox to me just did not think about it and now are forced to react to it. We know for example that they will probably leak something about their next console around Sony official reveal. If Xbox wanted to they could have planned for a Pro, they just did not see the need for some reason.
MisterXDTV
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Until the new Xbox comes out
MisterXDTV
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You mean the OEM PC branded by Microsoft???
MostlyPeaceful
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How many onQ123 posts does onQ123 have bookmarked, printed out, framed, and nailed to the wall in onQ123's manor
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Cyberpunkd
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How would that be different from PS5 Pro?
simpatico
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It means the vast majority of PS5 Pro games are going to be Xbox Series S games with the 'Post Processing" set to medium instead of low and the FSR set to "Performance" instead of "ultra performance".
This thread is a subtle jab at PS5 Pro preorder owners. "You really spent $1,100 to play Series S games?" harsh.
This thread is a subtle jab at PS5 Pro preorder owners. "You really spent $1,100 to play Series S games?" harsh.
Yeah try again
Daneel Elijah
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We have some idea of what will happen from Xbox side: some info on their next generation plans, and we know that this year so far they do not plan to heavily cut prices of their consoles as they plan to sell consoles will bigger storage instead. This christmas season will be fascinating to see in the US and Europe. Will COD save them?
Now that Xbox Series S is priced closer to PS5 & Xbox Series X is priced closer to PS5 Pro is this the correct comparison?
sendit
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mckmas8808
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Even more incredible that Series S is now a direct competitor to PS5 digital & Series X is the direct competitor to PS5 Pro price wise.It's incredible that people thought this 2 years ago
Unknown Soldier
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The reality is that MS knew there would be a PS5 Pro but chose not to invest into further console development with an Xbox Series X ProIt's incredible that people thought this 2 years ago
This implies that the decision to phase out Xbox consoles and platform may have been decided years ago in fact and the acquisition of Bethesda and Activision Blizzard were always part of a plan to become a third-party publisher at least before 2021 when the Bethesda acquisition was completed
Hero of Spielberg
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It defintely does seem that way. For the amount they spent on Activision they could have basically given away the Xbox this gen to buy market share.
Maybe it was always part of their longer-term strategy in moving further toward subscription / GP with less focus on hardware.
Not to say they wouldn't have preferred to sell more consoles!
Microsoft believed that the Series X was their Pro model they believed that PS5 was going to be sandwiched in between Series S and X .
PS5 going toe to toe with Series X wasn't in their plans. The suits & even some of the engineers really thought Series X was going to run on top of PS5.
Spyxos
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Yeah, who would have thought 2 years ago that Ms would give up consoles completely.It's incredible that people thought this 2 years ago
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saintjules
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They haven't.
Spyxos
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They already did.
Horseganador
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PS5 pro = 649$
Xbox Series X 2TB = 729$
Xbox Series X 2TB = 729$
HeisenbergFX4
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It's incredible that people thought this 2 years ago
Not true
When the heads of MS got the PS5 Pro specs (before the PS5 or Series X even launched) it was thought by MS that Sony needed the Pro to compete with their Series X because MS truly felt the PS5 and Series S would be fighting it out for second place and the Series X was the far superior machine
Series X Pro was on the drawing boards at one point (as all options usually are) but MS dropped their Pro version to start focusing on next gen again before the current gen even launched
Mibu no ookami
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This was in March of 2020, less than a year before the launch of the base consoles. They certainly did not have the specs of the PS5 Pro before the PS5 launched. Phil might have been confident about XSX but at no point would he think the XSS was more powerful than the PS5. He also thought the Series S would be the best selling Xbox.
"I think we'll sell every unit of both of them that we can deliver," he said, referring to this first holiday season. Microsoft isn't releasing estimates of how many units they'll ship of either device this year, but he expects them to go fast. "I think demand is just going to outstrip supply of pre-orders. For us and PlayStation, I think that the manufacturing supply chain is going to dictate [market] share more than anything else."
And then?
"I think, over the generation, our expectation would be that price really matters and that you would see the Series S sell more," Spencer told me.
Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.kotaku.com
S0ULZB0URNE
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Little Chicken
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I feel so sorry for everybody having to witness Sony apologists bumping ancient threads and creating new ones to make Xbox look bad, all because Sony are having such a creatively bankrupt generation and they cannot stand the discourse around it.
HeisenbergFX4
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They 100% knew the approx specs and hardware to be used on the Pro at this time
This was in March of 2020, less than a year before the launch of the base consoles. They certainly did not have the specs of the PS5 Pro before the PS5 launched. Phil might have been confident about XSX but at no point would he think the XSS was more powerful than the PS5. He also thought the Series S would be the best selling Xbox.
Both camps know almost exactly what each other are doing well ahead of time
People have known PS6 details well before the PS5 Pro were ever acknowledged
Believe what you want, this is just part of my shit posting I suppose
They would get done for predatory pricing.
Yeah sure, the great 4D chess players they are. No this wasn't their plan. They even say so in their business update video that their plans changed. It's also why Phil has contradicted himself more than anyone I know in the industry, becuase they've changed plan so many times due to outside pressure.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Believe what you want? This is a private e-mail showing that he only discovered this via public disclosure.
You might have this idea of corporate spys and all that, but reality is a lot more boring than that.
NDAs prevent so much of this when working with a company like AMD. The reason for the similarities between PS5 and XSX is because AMD is charging them similar prices for similar technology. There's a reason why they were both afraid to reveal their system and their pricing in 2020.
And why Sega was so caught off guard by Sony with the PSX launch.
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HeisenbergFX4
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They knew approx where the PS5 was landing they just hoped there would not be any surprises
Go back and look at the next gen speculation thread and see how many stood firm on the Series X having more power than the PS5
I was told well before that reveal by those very guys where that PS5 TF was going to land
What they didn't expect was the SSD solution, that part caught them off guard but they laughed it off
We can just agree to disagree because frankly I don't much care if you believe me or not
If you think those guys are totally in the dark about what the other camp is doing you are a bigger clown than I ever thought
Its just totally random both systems launched so closely to each other with close to the same hardware
I think I am done ever replying to you in fact
Hero of Spielberg
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I really upset you huh?
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
That's probably for the best when you can get absolutely owned by facts.
I've generally had respect for you, but you've reached heights of incredulity recently. You've always kind of leaned into the fanboy, but it seems like in the last year or so you've gone full tilt or maybe you were always like this, I don't know.
As for the hardware being similar and releasing at the same time... again.. these are both AMD based CPU and GPUs... two companies with a price limit largely determined by the two most expensive components coming from the same company and both looking to get to market during the holidays. How many Sony consoles have launched in November? It's not a coincidence, you're beating black Friday.
Do people know a lot due to leaks from 3rd parties? Sure, but even then you're talking about devkits which aren't official specs and can vary by degrees.
Keep going down this path man, you're in for a rude awakening when you have to come to terms with reality surrounding the Xbox brand.
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What? You still crying about that? Grow up. I just said predatory pricing rules means they couldn't simply give away consoles for free to gain market share and gave reasons why this idea of collapsing xbox sales and going third party wasn't the plan. I see you're still not over the other thread though and using your usual "upset" bullshit. Projection seems to be a big thing with you.
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Mr Moose
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Horseganador
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MS before and after launch:
One of the most legendary moments of the generation, after months of FUD towards PS5, the first major multiplatform release came out like this and it was time to resort to the green tools