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[Mr Moose]

You can seriously see a noticeable difference? You think you could spot that if someone was switching between versions?

I would bet 95 percent of people couldn't notice. But, if you see a drastic difference then cool

If they are side by side like that, yes you can see the difference. If you have to turn off a console, turn another one on, switching between them to try and see? No.

 

[mansoor1980]

No PC video so far, probably in a day or two.

Although GAF's teenage love Alex has pointed out one issue with the PC version already. All versions of the game lock the cut-scenes to 30, the PC version apparently locks at 31, which causes judder.

 

[Topher]

Title does not correlate with the summary!

That's Digital Foundry's title.

How about this:

"Assassin's Creed Shadows delivers one of the most substantial PS5 Pro upgrades we've seen"

Assassin's Creed Shadows delivers one of the most substantial PS5 Pro upgrades we've seen

DF's Oliver Mackenzie analyses the PS5 Pro version of Assassins Creed Shadows versus the base PS5. Is this the most substantial Pro upgrade we've seen yet?

www.eurogamer.net

Watch the video and read the article maybe?

 

[DenchDeckard]

DenchDeckard can you see the difference here?

Yes. Huge difference. The rtgi is amazing. The four shots we are discussing are the last 4 shots of the balanced version on ps5 vs ps5 pro.

Standard ps5 has rtgi in balanced mode.

 

[Bitstream]

The lighting differences here make it look like a generational leap, especially in motion. Anyone impressed by the screenshot comparisons, take a few and click through the video, subtle lighting changes caused by the sun flowing through the wind swept trees elevate the visuals to a whole new level.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

The lighting differences here make it look like a generational leap, especially in motion. Anyone impressed by the screenshot comparisons, take a few and click through the video, subtle lighting changes caused by the sun flowing through the wind swept trees elevate the visuals to a whole new level.

Yeah, the differences are like they said — substantial!

 

[DenchDeckard]

I wish they Xbox version was play anywhere. Cmon ms. Work with more pubs you nerds

 

[Darsxx82]

Apart from the shadows, reflections and hair you mean?

In his defense I think he was referring to these four screenshots in balanced mode. In that mode, the difference is reduced to the average resolution.

 

[viveks86]

If they are side by side like that, yes you can see the difference. If you have to turn off a console, turn another one on, switching between them to try and see? No.

Are you sure you are talking about the last 4 shots (last 2 comparisons)? DenchDeckard was referring to the balanced mode comparisons. Not the rest.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

PC version about to be one of the best looking games around!

 

[Topher]

Are you sure you are talking about the last 4 shots (last 2 comparisons)? DenchDeckard was referring to the balanced mode comparisons. Not the rest.

Does anyone know what Oliver is talking about as far as balanced mode comparisons and HDMI 2.0?

"Relative to the balanced mode on the base PS5, we're basically at parity here in terms of visual settings. Both have RTGI, no RT reflections, and fall on the same side of the hair rendering and shadowmap divide. I can't really compare image quality directly, owing to capture limitations on my HDMI 2.0 system, but pixel counts do suggest a higher resolution on Pro, and it does look cleaner as well. Both are upsampling to 4K, so they produce a sharp final image. Both consoles also basically nail their 40fps updates here, with a consistent 40fps in typical play, with the usual 30fps limits for cutscenes and the hideout."

 

[Mr Moose]

In his defense I think he was referring to these four screenshots in balanced mode. In that mode, the difference is reduced to the average resolution.

Are you sure you are talking about the last 4 shots (last 2 comparisons)? DenchDeckard was referring to the balanced mode comparisons. Not the rest.

Might be down to a higher res but the hair looks a little better, and the shadows are for sure.

 

[Arsic]

Any secret ninja ways to play now on ps5 with time zones or some shit?

Really want to dive in. Hate having to wait till tonight.

I’m in mountain time so I assume 10PM I can play?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Does anyone know what Oliver is talking about as far as balanced mode comparisons and HDMI 2.0?

"Relative to the balanced mode on the base PS5, we're basically at parity here in terms of visual settings. Both have RTGI, no RT reflections, and fall on the same side of the hair rendering and shadowmap divide. I can't really compare image quality directly, owing to capture limitations on my HDMI 2.0 system, but pixel counts do suggest a higher resolution on Pro, and it does look cleaner as well. Both are upsampling to 4K, so they produce a sharp final image. Both consoles also basically nail their 40fps updates here, with a consistent 40fps in typical play, with the usual 30fps limits for cutscenes and the hideout."

Great question. I can't think what the issue would be.

 

[Topher]

Any secret ninja ways to play now on ps5 with time zones or some shit?

Really want to dive in. Hate having to wait till tonight.

I’m in mountain time so I assume 10PM I can play?

For some reason that is only doable on PC and Xbox from what I understand.

 

[Arsic]

For some reason that is only doable on PC and Xbox from what I understand.

Phil gets the real early access and the last laugh.

 

[Mr Moose]

Does anyone know what Oliver is talking about as far as balanced mode comparisons and HDMI 2.0?

"Relative to the balanced mode on the base PS5, we're basically at parity here in terms of visual settings. Both have RTGI, no RT reflections, and fall on the same side of the hair rendering and shadowmap divide. I can't really compare image quality directly, owing to capture limitations on my HDMI 2.0 system, but pixel counts do suggest a higher resolution on Pro, and it does look cleaner as well. Both are upsampling to 4K, so they produce a sharp final image. Both consoles also basically nail their 40fps updates here, with a consistent 40fps in typical play, with the usual 30fps limits for cutscenes and the hideout."

His capture card doesn't support 120Hz/2160p probably.

I think it's Richard that has the good capture card.

 

[Blank Space Invader]

Remember when people talked about gameplay and level design and control schemes in the most interactive entertainment medium? Now it's shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections. Do people pay $70 these days just to look at shadows and lighting and reflections and then endlessly debate them on the internet? Is that the video game meta? It is exhausting.

 

[viveks86]

Does anyone know what Oliver is talking about as far as balanced mode comparisons and HDMI 2.0?

"Relative to the balanced mode on the base PS5, we're basically at parity here in terms of visual settings. Both have RTGI, no RT reflections, and fall on the same side of the hair rendering and shadowmap divide. I can't really compare image quality directly, owing to capture limitations on my HDMI 2.0 system, but pixel counts do suggest a higher resolution on Pro, and it does look cleaner as well. Both are upsampling to 4K, so they produce a sharp final image. Both consoles also basically nail their 40fps updates here, with a consistent 40fps in typical play, with the usual 30fps limits for cutscenes and the hideout."

To pixel count, you need a capture card that can support 4k 120 fps. Seems he doesn't have one?

 

[Topher]

His capture card doesn't support 120Hz/2160p probably.

I think it's Richard that has the good capture card.

To pixel count, you need a capture card that can support 4k 120 fps. Seems he doesn't have one?

So what Oliver is really saying is....

 

[viveks86]

So what Oliver is really saying is....

Yeah, it's bizarre. This is literally the job!

 

[reinking]

Welp. They got me. PS5 Pro version it is.

 

[viveks86]

Do people pay $70 these days just to look at shadows and lighting and reflections and then endlessly debate them on the internet?

Nah. $70 is to play the game. Looking and discussing it here is freeeee.... until EviLore decides to punish us cheapskates for not getting Gold.

 

[Musilla]

Nice

 

[cormack12]

4 pages, ain't nobody got time for that. Which is the best?

 

[Gaiff]

So what Oliver is really saying is....

Reading this in his voice makes it even funnier.

 

[Spukc]

Remember when people talked about gameplay and level design and control schemes in the most interactive entertainment medium? Now it's shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections. Do people pay $70 these days just to look at shadows and lighting and reflections and then endlessly debate them on the internet? Is that the video game meta? It is exhausting.

As long as i own the best version i’m fine tbh.
Can’t wait to play this on my ps5 pro

 

[FrankWza]

4 pages, ain't nobody got time for that. Which is the best?

 

[jm89]

 

[Darsxx82]

Might be down to a higher res but the hair looks a little better, and the shadows are for sure.

There's no mention of it in the article?, so I couldn't say if. I haven't read any mention of it in other reviews either.

Anything could be; there's always something that can be missed. For example, in performance mode, it seems that the XSX has a clearly superior viewing distance in vegetation compared to the PS5 and Pro, and DF hasn't mentioned it either. In the end, these are "small" things. RTGI is what makes the real difference.

Personally, I understand those who see and celebrate a big upgrade if they limit themselves to performance mode and thanks to the RTGI results. But overall, I don't think it's even close to the best Pro upgrades seen.

It's all subjective of course, but I, having a VRR TV, would opt for balanced mode in Pro. Resolution, detail, vegetation, hair physics, geometry... there's too much of a visual difference to weigh compared to 60fps mode. Add the 30fps When in Hideout zone....

In the end, on PS5 at 40fps locked, you have higher resolution, detail, geometry, viewing distance, shadows, and hair physics compared to the game in Pro running at 60fps, with some drops. Something was definitely left undone. Even more so when in balanced mode, there's barely any difference between PS5 and Pro other than the average resolution.

Opinions. Overall, I see decent optimization on all platforms, good work but with also some inconsistencies.

 

[RobRSG]

There seems to be a bit of a disconnect in the video's title and what he's actually saying in the video, lol.

Performance mode - Same IQ as base, pixel crawl, no PSSR despite Ubi promising it last year, 30fps hideout and notable dips from 60fps. RTGI is the only differentiator, which is present in base Quality and Balanced.

Quality - The RT reflections also don't look that different than SSR, miss capturing foliage animation and suffer from a lot of pop-in, doesn't really sound like much of an improvement, and it mostly relies on SSR for further geometry.

Balanced - Was supposed to have RT reflections but edited out in the official blog a few days ago, feature-wise it's identical to base but with higher DRS.

Oily chubby meathead attacks again…

 

[Bojji]

Remember when people talked about gameplay and level design and control schemes in the most interactive entertainment medium? Now it's shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections. Do people pay $70 these days just to look at shadows and lighting and reflections and then endlessly debate them on the internet? Is that the video game meta? It is exhausting.

Hmmm, I'm not sure what you expected from thread about performance and graphics quality of this game

 

[Gaiff]

Remember when people talked about gameplay and level design and control schemes in the most interactive entertainment medium? Now it's shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections and shadows and lighting and reflections. Do people pay $70 these days just to look at shadows and lighting and reflections and then endlessly debate them on the internet? Is that the video game meta? It is exhausting.

 

[cormack12]

 

[intbal]

His capture card doesn't support 120Hz/2160p probably.

I think it's Richard that has the good capture card.

The PS5 can capture screenshots, though, can't it?
It might be a bit more labor to make few caps and bring them over to PC to count pixels, but surely if it's a dedicated Pro video he could do that.

 

[Topher]

PS fanboys are going to love Digital Foundry and AC games again…

Meanwhile....

There seems to be a bit of a disconnect in the video's title and what he's actually saying in the video, lol.

Performance mode - Same IQ as base, pixel crawl, no PSSR despite Ubi promising it last year, 30fps hideout and notable dips from 60fps. RTGI is the only differentiator, which is present in base Quality and Balanced.

Quality - The RT reflections also don't look that different than SSR, miss capturing foliage animation and suffer from a lot of pop-in, doesn't really sound like much of an improvement, and it mostly relies on SSR for further geometry.

Balanced - Was supposed to have RT reflections but edited out in the official blog a few days ago, feature-wise it's identical to base but with higher DRS.

 

[viveks86]

Noooo! A graphics thread is incomplete without at least one such post

 

[BigLee74]

That's Digital Foundry's title.

How about this:

"Assassin's Creed Shadows delivers one of the most substantial PS5 Pro upgrades we've seen"

Assassin's Creed Shadows delivers one of the most substantial PS5 Pro upgrades we've seen

DF's Oliver Mackenzie analyses the PS5 Pro version of Assassins Creed Shadows versus the base PS5. Is this the most substantial Pro upgrade we've seen yet?

www.eurogamer.net

Watch the video and read the article maybe?

Watched it - it looks good!

Merely commenting that the summary in the first post doesn’t sound as impactful as the title, no agenda guv!

 

[adamsapple]

Meanwhile....

Everything in my post is directly lifted from the video itself.

The wording does not align with the video's title of this being the 'best' Pro upgrade. If this is the best, then that puts other, perhaps more notable, upgrades like Rebirth and Stellar Blade in a worse light.

 

[Topher]

Everything in my post is directly lifted from the video itself.

The wording does not align with the video's title of this being the 'best' Pro upgrade. If this is the best, then that makes other, perhaps more notable, upgrades like Rebirth and Stellar Blade in a worse light.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[viveks86]

There's no mention of it in the article?, so I couldn't say if. I haven't read any mention of it in other reviews either.

He does suggest a higher resolution on Pro (timestamped). And it kinda shows in the hair. But it's quite subtle. Probably just running at the higher end of the dynamic resolution scale since nothing else has changed between base and pro for that mode.

 

[mansoor1980]

once PSSR is implemented , oliver will release a new video about it and tear it to shreds

 

[Topher]

once PSSR is implemented , oliver will release a new video about it and tear it to shreds

Live footage....

 

[Joel Was Right]

Wondering if this can be explained a bit. I legit never thought that the hair strand was such a big deal breaker in gaming? I never pay much attention to that kind of stuff.

Cool if the strands look nice, but I would never say I wouldn't play a game if it lacked it. Any thoughts?

It adds immersion to a game more than any weather system. The hair strand in DA, for instance, is literally next-gen level gaming. You just need to see it in motion to truly appreciate its impact.

 

[viveks86]

According to Elanalistadebits 40fps mode runs at dynamic 1440p.

I would not trust their pixel counts though. They even claim PSSR is in place. Lol. I use them just for the footage.

 

[Joel Was Right]

DenchDeckard can you see the difference here?

I'm gonna go out on a limb, but I thought the comparison video they showed of AC Mirage had that game looking better when it came to lighting.

 

[DeVeAn]

So, Balanced mode is the same for PS5/XSX and Pro?

 

[Topher]

So, Balanced mode is the same for PS5/XSX and Pro?

Higher resolution on Pro

 

[Doctor Hades]

What disappoints me a bit is that the 40 fps Balanced mode on PS5 and PS5 Pro don't seem to be that different: both use Standard RTGI and have similar resolutions so where exactly is the Pro's extra performance being used in that mode versus PS5?