Wrasslin' Thread 20XX |OT| New Age WrestleGAF

declan mcmahon looking like vince already ,

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Nick Khan expects a number of AEW wrestlers to jump ship to WWE once their contracts expire. "In terms of the other wrestling promotional company, they have a lot of talented wrestlers and we're happy about that. When, contractually, they are available to talk to and have conversations with, assume a number of them will come over. "Nothing but respect to the father who finances it and owns the Jaguars and all those other things."(Source: Bill Simmons Podcast)
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So wait, Josh Alexander is now AEW? Damn, so no chance at seeing "The North" reunite anytime soon. (You'd think Ethan Page would have tried to smarten him up.)
 
rkofan87 said:
do you think the otc is getting booed tonight and at wm for saying he voted for trump?
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Did he actually say he voted for Trump? The only thing I've seen is that he supports the president which could mean he has what used to be a pretty standard point of view that you always want every president to do a good job regardless of political party. (Pretty much because the president is going to be fine once out of office but hte public gets to deal with consequences of a good or bad job.) Note I realize this is from a Vanity Fair article which is behind a paywall so I don't know if he confirmed who he voted for.
 
dave_d said:
Did he actually say he voted for Trump? The only thing I've seen is that he supports the president which could mean he has what used to be a pretty standard point of view that you always want every president to do a good job regardless of political party. (Pretty much because the president is going to be fine once out of office but hte public gets to deal with consequences of a good or bad job.) Note I realize this is from a Vanity Fair article which is behind a paywall so I don't know if he confirmed who he voted for.
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well their are some that read that and said f rr so i was just wondering if that was going to translate into the live tv and ple crowds booing him or is this a nothing.
 
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DKehoe said:
Wrestlers having the opportunity to hop between promotions is good for them and for us as fans.

As for the shot about Tony/Shahid Khan, I saw this earlier

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More options has certainly been good for wrestler's bank accounts, no argument there. However, you'll have a tough time selling NJPW fans on the concept, especially since we just watched Okada go from being Okada to "the guy who says 'bitch' funny".

Trevor's take is pretty desperate considering that while Vince undoubtedly had a leg up that none of us would have in buying WWE, he did still take out a risky balloon loan to make the purchase, and relied on his vision of taking the company national/global to be able to legitimately buy the company. Conversely, Tony burns through his dad's money to hoard his favorite wrestling toys and by the graces of WBD's incompetence, he gets to put it on TV (for now) and pretend it's a real business. There are differences.
 
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TheAtomicPile said:
More options has certainly been good for wrestler's bank accounts, no argument there. However, you'll have a tough time selling NJPW fans on the concept, especially since we just watched Okada go from being Okada to "the guy who says 'bitch' funny".
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A few years ago New Japan was a legitimate option for top end talent like AJ Styles, which benefited both the wrestlers and the fans. But with the Japanese economy taking a hit and New Japan no longer able to financially compete with WWE and AEW's massive TV deals, the landscape has shifted. This isn't about AEW = good. It's about how having multiple promotions that can offer serious money is good for the industry. There was a time when New Japan could do that, and now it can't. New Japan would be better if it was an option for wrestlers in WWE and AEW to jump to. Similarly, there was a stretch when wrestlers could make a solid living on the indies, maybe not WWE-level money but still respectable. That's not really the case anymore since the indy scene has gone to shit. The wrestling industry as a whole is worse off when the options are more limited.

Also, wrestlers heading from Japan to the US to take it easy while still making good money isn't new. Nakamura's WWE run has largely been him coasting. Even going further back, people close to Bruiser Brody have said his plan was to eventually head to the WWF and finally work a program with Hogan once he couldn't keep up with the physical demands of the Japanese scene, still making good money but without having to go as hard.

TheAtomicPile said:
More options has certainly been good for wrestler's bank accounts, no argument there. However, you'll have a tough time selling NJPW fans on the concept, especially since we just watched Okada go from being Okada to "the guy who says 'bitch' funny".

Trevor's take is pretty desperate considering that while Vince undoubtedly had a leg up that none of us would have in buying WWE, he did still take out a risky balloon loan to make the purchase, and relied on his vision of taking the company national/global to be able to legitimately buy the company. Conversely, Tony burns through his dad's money to hoard his favorite wrestling toys and by the graces of WBD's incompetence, he gets to put it on TV (for now) and pretend it's a real business. There are differences.
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The terms Vince got when he bought the company from his father were incredibly generous. He was essentially handed the company on a silver platter because he was the owner's son. A million dollars for the biggest territory in the country, the one that regularly ran Madison Square Garden, and he didn't even have to pay it all up front. He could pay it through the company's own profits on a payment plan. Is someone other than Vince Sr's son really getting those kinds of terms? He didn't need to go national to make the payments. The business was already profitable enough to cover that deal and he was never realistically going to miss those payments His father gave him a sweetheart deal, asking only that he take care of guys like Gorilla Monsoon. That was pretty much it.

Vince paid about the same amount for Georgia as he did for the Northeast of the US. It was ridiculously undervalued. Shit, he paid 75% of that amount for Stampede. He didn't even end up actually paying Stu Hart the money but if he had, was Stampede really that close to being as valuable as the territory that covered NYC, Boston, Philadelphia and more?

But in Vince's own mythology, he has to be a self-made man. And with his monopoly on the industry, he got to shape the widely accepted narrative of its history. So the story becomes that his dad drove a hard bargain, Vince bet on himself, and it paid off big time. I'm not saying he wasn't an effective wrestling promoter who was deeply driven to compete and dominate, clearly he was wildly successful. But he got to be in that position because of who his father was. If every other circumstance of Vince's life had been the same except his dad was some random guy from North Carolina instead of the biggest wrestling promoter in the country do you really think he ends up where he did? Every time he's tried to start a business outside wrestling he face planted.

Is Tony Khan some booking and promotional prodigy? No. He happens to be the son of a billionaire willing to fund his son's passion project. He's not a booker and promoter if his dad hadn't made a shit load of money in a totally unrelated business. But people in WWE continuing to take shots at Tony Khan because he wouldn't be where he is without his dad's backing is kinda ridiculous when the same can be said about Vince, the guy they basically built a cult of personality around until recently.

Wrestling has always been a deeply nepotistic industry. It's not just Vince McMahon and Tony Khan. There's also Jim Crockett Jr., the Lutteroth family, and others. And as the tweet points out, would Triple H be in the position of power he is if he hadn't married who he did? Do Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes get the all of the same opportunities they've had if their fathers weren't who they were? So for Tony Khan to be where he is because of his family is hardly an aberration in an industry that has never truly been merit-based. Maybe it's because his beneficial links aren't to people inside the wrestling industry as is the case with the others I've mentioned. But it's the same principle.
 
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dave_d said:
Umm, I'll ask. How big are they these days anyway? I mean the last time they did a PPV in the US didn't they literally only get a couple hundred buys? (Admittedly I haven't watch them in over 10 years, before Hijo del Perro Aguayo died.)
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It's not been doing well. So, good job Konnan.
 
I guess they plan to keep Punk/Reigns/Rollins going until 2026. Cause that is NOT a rivalry ender. Jey Uso stunk up the joint again showing why the world heavy weight title match was the curtain jerker tonight instead of the main event
 
CLW said:
I guess they plan to keep Punk/Reigns/Rollins going until 2026. Cause that is NOT a rivalry ender. Jey Uso stunk up the joint again showing why the world heavy weight title match was the curtain jerker tonight instead of the main event
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Unoooos can't wrestle.
 
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