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[calico]

The term 'progressive' is very misleading because it implies a direction of travel forward from 'bad' towards 'good', but often in the case of people who consider themselves 'progressives', 'bad' and 'good' have no fixed meaning because there is no genuine belief system underpinning it.

'Progressives 'are often far more interested in the 'travel' part -the enacting of change for the sake of change- than they are in reaching a particular destination. What they consider 'good' today they will consider 'bad' tomorrow if it helps with what is usually their actual cause: the acquisition of power.

 

[SatansReverence]

Worth a watch

 

[Mr Moose]

Funds allegedly covered Tyler Robinson's logistics, travel, and even weapon acquisition.

He's lying. After that Twitter money. Don't give him clicks.

 

[jason10mm]

Expelled.

He must not have been a starter on the football team then

 

[Unknown?]

People like him are cowards that's why they always try to phrase things in a way that obfuscates their true feelings. At least the crazies have the courage of their crazy convictions, how ever wrong those may be.

Anybody who says stuff like "muh both sides" is not being sincere and we know exactly what side they're on. One side gets cancelled for calling a person with XY chromosomes and a penis a man, while the other gets cancelled for encouraging and celebrating the murder of those who disagree with them. "Totally the same thing, both sides equally guys."

And he was too cowardly to answer my question to define a fascist.

 

[Boo Who?]

He must not have been a starter on the football team then

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I don't live in the US. So the political climate does not really affect me directly. But the way that the media is spinning the shit out of this, and the scale of which people are playing in to it is fucked up. I grew up before social media, but critical thinking and source evaluation was a major part of the curriculum in the early 2000s. What happened?

It happened that the Left destroyed the truth based on facts and swapped it with "the truth is what you feel", parasiting every media, academia and entertainment industry to deliver the message. They are using George Orwell's and Goebbels works as political textbooks.

The Right should have seen it coming but they were too worried about taxes and other bullshit, dismissing all the red flags. They have been criminally coward and incompetent. Their lack of action has cost the lives of many innocent people.

Now they have to speedrun with restrictions that could have been avoided twenty years ago, when the woke started to infect the world. A whole generation has been brainwashed, the "let's have a talk" is impossible at this point.. At least, not before erasing groups like Antifa or this criminal trans terrorists infiltrated in the US by foreign powers. There can't be any conversation while those are roaming free without any sort of condemn from the Left.

 

[Stitch]

People really need to post solid sources if they're making claims like these.

But he added BREAKING, that means he's very serious about it

 

[Trilobit]

Exactly.

People seem to think being progressive means they are always going towards a peaceful utopia by peaceful means. But progressiveness doesn't really have an end goal. Often it's just about breaking the status quo and going "forward" just for the sake of going "forward", and that leads into situations like where feminism is today; progressives wanted better rights for women and that's what they got, but when there wasn't that much more to progress from, then progressives started to think men can change into women and women can change into men which still was especially in hindsight at least a bit reasonable take. When that was done and there wasn't much to progress, they started to think that it's not about men becoming women and women becoming men, but instead it's about men already being women by merely thinking they are women. At that point talking about "sex change" was problematic to them, so they demanded you have to call it "gender reassignment", and during all this women who didn't like this progression started to be called TERFs and now we have men with and without hormonally grown boobs telling it's ok to punch a woman if she's a terf, essentially meaning that you have to agree with me or else. AND at the same time those people don't get called out as fascists.

Leftism isn't really a problem in itself. It's the progressive ideology that eats itself to death. At some point progressives have to become conservatives anyway. At some point they have to conserve what has been achieved. But that will never happen because they always need to feel they are progressing towards something. And currently it's, among with all other insanity, at a point where people are giving excuses for assassination because of opinions.

The early LGB movement had sort of an idea where they wanted to drive their bus, what their end goal was. But now the radicals and T+ have taken over the wheel and won't stop the bus even when they are nearing a cliff. Some might say that they have already left the road.

 

[calico]

 

[Unknown?]

Exactly.

People seem to think being progressive means they are always going towards a peaceful utopia by peaceful means. But progressiveness doesn't really have an end goal. Often it's just about breaking the status quo and going "forward" just for the sake of going "forward", and that leads into situations like where feminism is today; progressives wanted better rights for women and that's what they got, but when there wasn't that much more to progress from, then progressives started to think men can change into women and women can change into men which still was especially in hindsight at least a bit reasonable take. When that was done and there wasn't much to progress, they started to think that it's not about men becoming women and women becoming men, but instead it's about men already being women by merely thinking they are women. At that point talking about "sex change" was problematic to them, so they demanded you have to call it "gender reassignment", and during all this women who didn't like this progression started to be called TERFs and now we have men with and without hormonally grown boobs telling it's ok to punch a woman if she's a terf, essentially meaning that you have to agree with me or else. AND at the same time those people don't get called out as fascists.

Leftism isn't really a problem in itself. It's the progressive ideology that eats itself to death. At some point progressives have to become conservatives anyway. At some point they have to conserve what has been achieved. But that will never happen because they always need to feel they are progressing towards something. And currently it's, among with all other insanity, at a point where people are giving excuses for assassination because of opinions.

It's wordplay. They used the term " progressive" to make the masses favor it who don't know a thing about it and you're absolutely right, it does mean progress but not necessarily to a better society.

They want you to think that way but the progressive era of the early 20th century did not exclusively progress things for the better and most notably it progressed the greed of elite bankers and wallstreet. The progressive era shackled us with a central bank and gave a monopoly on currency to the biggest bankers of the time that represented 1/4 the total world's wealth to benefit at everyone else's expense.

They fooled the people by claiming it was good and even branded it with a nice-sounding catch phrase, "elastic currency". What that really meant was currency they could create for their benefit. That was progressive but not a good progress.

 

[Topher]

All of their other lies have fallen apart so now they're trying to make it a love story. These leftists will end up erecting statues of him if they gain power.

I remember when Montel Williams had some basic common sense. Somewhere along the way, he lost all of it.

 

[Mistake]

 

[AJUMP23]

I remember when Montel Williams had some basic common sense. Somewhere along the way, he lost all of it.

He lost his show, so he is doing what he needs to continue to make money.

 

[jason10mm]

It's social media, people can post anything they want. It's time for polititians to start to consider the ban of mass social media.

Or just strip away the anonymity and let society clean it up on its own. That's what we are seeing now. No one is, or should, stop these asshats from making their pro-assassination comments. BUT the consequences of said comments include termination from your job, loss of business, or being expelled. JUST like if you ran through the streets screaming obscenities and cheering for someone's death. I wouldn't want that guy working at my business either.

The First Amendment says NOTHING about people having consequences for speech. All it says is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT can't enact laws restricting is, the freedom to peacefully assemble, or establishment of religion (this is gonna be useful because it is a tool against Sharia Law).

So IMHO social media should lose anonymity. That would A. eliminate the bots, B. radically reduce the shit posting, and C. assign accountability for what you say.

Doesn't mean that I think the entire internet shouldn't be anonymous, just social media sites.

 

[clem84]

What a complete scumbag.

 

[Woggleman]

I often disagreed with him and I am more liberal than he was but Charlie Kirk was in no way a Nazi. He never came off as malicious or hateful which is more than I can say for many on the left.

 

[Fake]

Now we will have to argue with people if the murderer was right wing or left wing.

Despite his family saying he had gone hard left. And trans roommate that he loved.

Wasn't someone in the media calling him a incel? lmao

They create the word and forget what was created for.

 

[Kiwicha]

"His only crime was being in love"

All of their other lies have fallen apart so now they're trying to make it a love story. These leftists will end up erecting statues of him if they gain power.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

"You can tell whether a person is leftist or MAGA by REEE posts on them"

 

[Hugare]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/16/us/text-message-tyler-robinson-roomate-vis

BBC and CNN have reported the conversation between Tyler and his roommate/lover

And people are still in denial about his motivation?

 

[Scrawnton]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/16/us/text-message-tyler-robinson-roomate-vis

BBC and CNN have reported the conversation between Tyler and his roommate/lover

And people are still in denial about his motivation?

Yes and they're still actively lying about it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

LOL. So it's true Robinson and the trans guy had a relationship.

At the beginning, they tried to make it like the roommate was just a random person who happened to be trans.

 

[Madflavor]

I love how the Left are getting a taste of their own medicine with the cancelling. Scatch that, it's not a taste. They're getting the full dosage. It's that Extra Strength 500mg type of shit. The Right isn't out there rioting, looting, burning down stores, and shutting down cities. They're holding vigils. Anyone who posts on the internet that they're delighted and happy that Charlie Kirk is dead, are getting fired from their jobs. I would argue that this is the civil way of handling this. It's the just way. If you're in a position of trust like a Doctor, Nurse or a Teacher, and this is how you behave when we know that you take care of people's loved ones, you do not deserve to be in that position.

We all know if the roles were reversed, they would be cancelling people on the Right. You know it, I know it, everybody in the country knows it. But now it's finally happening to them, and they're being fucking cry babies about it. I'm just gonna say the same thing they've been telling Right Wingers for the past 10-15 years. It's an expression straight from their playbook.

"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences."

You fucked around, now you're finding out. Bitch.

 

[Kotaro]

The problem of this country is not the right-wing, but it's the left-wing. they are mentally unstable violent people

 

[Antwix]

We now surveil cops while on the job because society decided they cannot be trusted. We need to be thinking of teachers in any place with public funding in the same way. They can no longer be trusted with unsupervised daily access to the minds of young people.

As much as I hate the idea of more surveillance, I think it's necessary now. I think bodycams were ultimately a good thing for police. These teachers are mostly in publicly funded positions and like you said, many just can't be trusted anymore. It's gotten worse and worse.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I love how the Left are getting a taste of their own medicine with the cancelling. Scatch that, it's not a taste. They're getting the full dosage. It's that Extra Strength 500mg type of shit. The Right isn't out there rioting, looting, burning down stores, and shutting down cities. They're holding vigils. Anyone who posts on the internet that they're delighted and happy that Charlie Kirk is dead, are getting fired from their jobs. I would argue that this is the civil way of handling this. It's the just way. If you're in a position of trust like a Doctor, Nurse or a Teacher, and this is how you behave when we know that you take care of people's loved ones, you do not deserve to be in that position.

We all know if the roles were reversed, they would be cancelling people on the Right. You know it, I know it, everybody in the country knows it. But now it's finally happening to them, and they're being fucking cry babies about it. I'm just gonna say the same thing they've been telling Right Wingers for the past 10-15 years. It's an expression straight from their playbook.

"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences."

You fucked around, now you're finding out. Bitch.

The odd thing is how all the media and politicians and double down.

I can understand the typical left wing nutjob staying left forever, but you'd think when it comes to business, ratings and votes, they'd start turning the ship, since when it comes to this it's all about money and saying whatever you can to stay in power. Think of it like a radio station. One day it's country music and the next day for sake of survival they change to an all day news format. If country music isnt going too well, you change strategy.

Not saying it can be changed on a dime, but at least edge a bit closer to the middle a bit to get away from being obviously too left and annoying or hateful. You'd think to improve their image they'd start changing. Not to obviously right leaning stuff like Fox News or Trump, but to something more moderate that might attract both left and centrists as a combined effort.

Nope. I guess once you go left you got to tow the line forever.

 

[BlueAlpaca]

Do all the people celebrating his murder because he's 'far right' think the same of muslims?

Because of you think this poor fella is extreme to your sensibilities you must harbor genocidal hatred towards them.

I suppose you can say musliims are far away and kirk is an american with power to influece politics, but then again you'd be for muslim deportations and a ban on immigration. Of course you don't believe all of that, you're Decent Fucking Human Beings, your words (empathy, justice, kindess, etc.., ) and beliefs and principles are just a mirage to hide your true nature.

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

Far-left: "We need more violence"
Conservatives with their +50.000 TPUSA requests: "We need to talk more"

I see a big difference here.


I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this in the news:

I have looked into the eyes of communism, and she is retarded.

I remember when Montel Williams had some basic common sense. Somewhere along the way, he lost all of it.

Well... he dated Kamala Harris. So I'll just assume it was there.

LOL. So it's true Robinson and the trans guy had a relationship.

At the beginning, they tried to make it like the roommate was just a random person who happened to be trans.

A certain series of GAF threads has educated me that just because you refer to your trans roommate as something like "my love", doesn't mean you're in a relationship. Sometimes it's just the most tragic unrequited love story in all of history.

 

[Kacho]

 

[delirium trigger]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/16/us/text-message-tyler-robinson-roomate-vis

BBC and CNN have reported the conversation between Tyler and his roommate/lover

And people are still in denial about his motivation?

Listen, the gay islamist marxists aren't going to win this battle with truths.

 

[Klosshufvud]

This thread is ridiculous. 100 pages repeating the same right-wing grifter bullshit that is already tearing so many decent countries and communities apart. There was no left wing conspiracy to get Kirk killed. Sometimes there's not much more to reality than a man who got rich off being a provocateur pissing off one person too much in the end. For a forum that's supposed to be free of politics talk, there sure is a lot of leniency whenever a right-wing shitstorm thread pops up. This forum is a joke.

 

[Trilobit]

This thread is ridiculous. 100 pages repeating the same right-wing grifter bullshit that is already tearing so many decent countries and communities apart. There was no left wing conspiracy to get Kirk killed. Sometimes there's not much more to reality than a man who got rich off being a provocateur pissing off one person too much in the end. For a forum that's supposed to be free of politics talk, there sure is a lot of leniency whenever a right-wing shitstorm thread pops up. This forum is a joke.

 

[kruis]

This thread is ridiculous. 100 pages repeating the same right-wing grifter bullshit that is already tearing so many decent countries and communities apart. There was no left wing conspiracy to get Kirk killed. Sometimes there's not much more to reality than a man who got rich off being a provocateur pissing off one person too much in the end. For a forum that's supposed to be free of politics talk, there sure is a lot of leniency whenever a right-wing shitstorm thread pops up. This forum is a joke.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

This thread is ridiculous. 100 pages repeating the same right-wing grifter bullshit that is already tearing so many decent countries and communities apart. There was no left wing conspiracy to get Kirk killed. Sometimes there's not much more to reality than a man who got rich off being a provocateur pissing off one person too much in the end. For a forum that's supposed to be free of politics talk, there sure is a lot of leniency whenever a right-wing shitstorm thread pops up. This forum is a joke.

Go to the other forum if you need an echo chamber

Heaven forbid people have views that don't align with yours

 

[Draugoth]

I love how the Left are getting a taste of their own medicine with the cancelling. Scatch that, it's not a taste.

Not fun when the dude also pulls a gun to you, is it not? Very ironic how you can turn your assailant weapon against them. Never seen it in this scale before.

It's certainly interesting and sets dangerous precedence, looking back, looks like I made the right call not to have social media, this thing became a weapon that people can use to target you for whatever reason, we will be seeing this happening now from both sides more frequently, kinda scary. Our fathers told us not to post our names and profile pictures on the internet, now well... look at what happens. Maybe leftists will rethink on their approach with canceling culture.

 

[The Fartist]

The most important thing is to be fair to the killer. That is NOT a relationship with a woman. It's a gay dude and a mentally ill dude playing dress up.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This thread is ridiculous. 100 pages repeating the same right-wing grifter bullshit that is already tearing so many decent countries and communities apart. There was no left wing conspiracy to get Kirk killed. Sometimes there's not much more to reality than a man who got rich off being a provocateur pissing off one person too much in the end. For a forum that's supposed to be free of politics talk, there sure is a lot of leniency whenever a right-wing shitstorm thread pops up. This forum is a joke.

And that's exactly why the left is losing it's grip so fast lately. Go too far acting crazy and the pendulum swings back.

If anyone thinks about, all the left had to do to keep the heavy left humming along across media and politics is just be chill and inch it along. When things change slowly, it's easier to accept as it's slow and get normalized. Swing the axe too hard and fast and people duck for cover calling out a wacko slashing.

It's no different than home life or at work. If anyone tries to heavy handedly force things, all you get is pushback. If you want permanent change, you got to act maturely and do it bit by bit. Working out is similar. Every fitness pro says start slow and do what you can handle. You dont try to change the world trying to be Arnold Schwarzenegger taking over the gym. Covid WFH was the same thing. 5 days at the office --> everyone with a laptop WFH for 2 years --> come back to work 1-2 days hybrid style. I dont think there was any company in that situation who woke up one day and right away said 5 days back in the office. It was a slow walk back. Some companies still havent bothered being 5 days. And which companies had the most pushback? The ones trying to force back 4 or 5 days. Not the 1-2 days a week back. You got to slow roll out things sometimes.

Problem with the left is they are so emotional and hate spewing all they know is going balls deep extreme (no pun intended with Robinson and his trans lover) trying to change society to how they want it, ignoring everyone else. That's not the way to get through life.

 

[Hugare]

This thread is ridiculous. 100 pages repeating the same right-wing grifter bullshit that is already tearing so many decent countries and communities apart. There was no left wing conspiracy to get Kirk killed. Sometimes there's not much more to reality than a man who got rich off being a provocateur pissing off one person too much in the end. For a forum that's supposed to be free of politics talk, there sure is a lot of leniency whenever a right-wing shitstorm thread pops up. This forum is a joke.

We shouldnt discuss about such an important event just because it can get political? C'mon. The killer's motivation was political. How can we not talk about it?

And this is coming from someone who was exausted about political stuff on GAF. But its necessary here.

I agree that some people's opinions can go over the line, but you are free to disagree with them (and they have been debated here).

Not being able to have a discussion properly, only living inside your echo chamber is why we have this mess right now

 

[laynelane]

Your movement seeks to remove rights from others. It is anti-truth and critical thinking, pro-violence, pro-dehumanisation of those who disagree with you, and you are so lacking in self-awareness you cannot see that you are precisely what you pretend to hate.

She's not pulling any punches in that tweet. I know she's received a lot of death threats, threats, slander, etc. for speaking her opinions, but she hasn't been cowed. Good on her.

 

[Windle Poons]

This thread is ridiculous. 100 pages repeating the same right-wing grifter bullshit that is already tearing so many decent countries and communities apart. There was no left wing conspiracy to get Kirk killed. Sometimes there's not much more to reality than a man who got rich off being a provocateur pissing off one person too much in the end. For a forum that's supposed to be free of politics talk, there sure is a lot of leniency whenever a right-wing shitstorm thread pops up. This forum is a joke.

You're a Twat.

Edit: didn't see you'd been offed but you're still a twat.

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

Imagine living in the US though the biggest government overreach in our history amongst other culture focused incidents such as

Firing/loss of earned income if not taking a rushed vaccine or being masked
Shutting down of your businesses or anything not deemed "essential"
Forcing and paying companies to implement government funded training and leveraging a newly created standing/score in the stock markets as a threat for non- compliance
Using the facets of corporations, entertainment, media, and scholastic to push and control all narratives/propaganda
Outright lying of the president's health and faculties throughout, until they propped up and non-primaried the replacement candidate using the full weight of the above point, plus over 1Billion dollars in campaign funds
Using social media and media in general to target and cancel anyone perceived to be on the wrong side of the latest thing/issue
Burning down and targeting people based on cars they drove or even purchased before they turned on Elon overnight
Burning down and destruction of your own neighborhoods and cities
Murdering those whos worldview you can't debate


And still calling anyone else other than their own ilk fascists.

You have to be incredibly low IQ or willfully ignorant to ignore what is happening in your own circle regardless of how much you espouse to care about people.

 

[jason10mm]

She's not pulling any punches in that tweet. I know she's received a lot of death threats, threats, slander, etc. for speaking her opinions, but she hasn't been cowed. Good on her.

Every time she tweets HBO/WB has another conniption fit about the cost of the Harry Potter TV show and how much of the hypothetical radicalized fan base they want to try to appease with a sacrificial offering that ALSO risks alienating the ACTUAL established fan base that just wants a page accurate adaptation that evokes as much of the visual aesthetic of the films as possible.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Shutting down of your businesses or anything not deemed "essential"

This was the biggest farce IMO.

Somehow shit loads of businesses of different types got shut down in my area (lots of mom and pop or casual family restaurants too). Yet somehow every McDonalds, KFC and Taco Bell stayed open like nothing happened.

And then the gov was supposed to be all about spacing out people. Yet the city (Toronto) suddenly allowed Jays games to be back at the dome with fans eating and yelling shoulder to shoulder. I know because I went to a game when the games were back! All the while, many normal businesses were still shut down. The dumb thing about the Jays games too was seating was limited to something like 15 or 20,000 people. BUT everyone was squeezed into the lower bowl shoulder to shoulder. The upper bowl seats were blocked off. So everyone is sitting together rubbing shoulders.

Figure that BS out.

 

[cyberheater]

Anyone see the vids of the shooter getting charged. Not a single response from him (in the vids that's I've seen). Looks like a zombie. Barely moving. I don't know if that's normal or not.

 

[laynelane]

Every time she tweets HBO/WB has another conniption fit about the cost of the Harry Potter TV show and how much of the hypothetical radicalized fan base they want to try to appease with a sacrificial offering that ALSO risks alienating the ACTUAL established fan base that just wants a page accurate adaptation that evokes as much of the visual aesthetic of the films as possible.

Trying to appease that radicalized fan base is fruitless. They can't get over the fact that Rowling has different opinions than them, she's too big to cancel, and so we have an endless stalemate. Agreed that they will try, though, and I can definitely see conniption fits happening. The people and companies involved with the show probably get a litany of complaints every time she tweets something certain people don't agree with.

 

[Kacho]

She's not pulling any punches in that tweet. I know she's received a lot of death threats, threats, slander, etc. for speaking her opinions, but she hasn't been cowed. Good on her.

JK Rowling shan't be trifled with. She sees that ideology for what it is and has for quite some time.

 

[JackHanma]

Imagine living in the US though the biggest government overreach in our history amongst other culture focused incidents such as

Firing/loss of earned income if not taking a rushed vaccine or being masked
Shutting down of your businesses or anything not deemed "essential"
Forcing and paying companies to implement government funded training and leveraging a newly created standing/score in the stock markets as a threat for non- compliance
Using the facets of corporations, entertainment, media, and scholastic to push and control all narratives/propaganda
Outright lying of the president's health and faculties throughout, until they propped up and non-primaried the replacement candidate using the full weight of the above point, plus over 1Billion dollars in campaign funds
Using social media and media in general to target and cancel anyone perceived to be on the wrong side of the latest thing/issue
Burning down and targeting people based on cars they drove or even purchased before they turned on Elon overnight
Burning down and destruction of your own neighborhoods and cities
Murdering those whos worldview you can't debate


And still calling anyone else other than their own ilk fascists.

You have to be incredibly low IQ or willfully ignorant to ignore what is happening in your own circle regardless of how much you espouse to care about people.

I don't think this about being low IQ or willfully ignorant - the useful idiots are of course, it is mostly about power and control. I never masked, nor did I get vaccinated. How leftists suddenly fully trusted the corrupt pharmaceutical industry (a staple of capitalism) is beyond me. I remember at one point not too long ago Elon Musk was well respected in leftist/liberal circles - Obama in particular propped him up. The left uses phrases like "words are violence" as a justification to commit real violence.

 

[Mistake]

JK Rowling shan't be trifled with. She sees that ideology for what it is and has for quite some time.

I had someone I knew calling her a transphobe or whatever. I had to reprimand them, saying that Rowling has probably done more for women than anyone else in my lifetime. Especially ones who suffered from domestic violence.

 

[spookyfish]

This thread is ridiculous. 100 pages repeating the same right-wing grifter bullshit that is already tearing so many decent countries and communities apart. There was no left wing conspiracy to get Kirk killed. Sometimes there's not much more to reality than a man who got rich off being a provocateur pissing off one person too much in the end. For a forum that's supposed to be free of politics talk, there sure is a lot of leniency whenever a right-wing shitstorm thread pops up. This forum is a joke.

PurpleForum member got out?