Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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Scrawnton said:
It really isn't though. And the more nuance you look into, the more it's obvious he was a leftist. Hell, the more you look into it, it's becoming more and more likely it was planned and carried out by a leftist activist group.
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The fact that a huge number of leftist trying to defend him says a lot.
 
Trilobit said:
"I do not condone Jennifer getting raped. With that said the way she was dressed was whorish, prostitutish and hookerish!"

How would that come across?

The vile victim-blaming has made my need to look at cute cat pictures go through the roof.
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The critical part to this is that Charlie was not a human to them, he was a Nazi/Fascist, a label that by and large society had long time ago deemed evil and in more recent times weaponized by those who wanted to sideline their chosen enemies as being people who are beyond mercy, forgiveness, appeal, sympathy.

We all apply our sympathetic feelings to others and normally that's within a gentle scale from uncaring to loving, but if we hear about the story of a pedo or sexual abuser getting beat on we can happily feel hate for them, even joy at their pain. When the media wants us to feel sympathetic about a situation they'll talk about the suffering of women and children first (or they'll only talk about that).

This weaponization of Nazi that's happened over the last 10 years has been an effort to remove all sympathy over a large swath of society and convert it into hate. Over time it has captured more and more to the point where the very notion of them holding anything remotely close to fascistic beliefs is beyond laughable, but that boiling pot rose temperature 1 degree at a time and few of them stopped to think.

How we go about bringing these people back to reality now I do not know. Thankfully, to make this partisan, I've seen many on the left realize this and be welcome with open arms onto the right so the pathway out is there, but getting people to see what they've become is going to be challenging.
 
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Doomtrain said:
This is weird and I'm torn. I don't like cancel culture. I support free speech, with one clear line being calls for violence. I also don't like obvious propaganda, and I don't like tasteless gravedancing. At the same time, part of me hopes that the far left finally getting a taste of their own medicine could be the first step towards moving the discourse in a freer and healthier direction.

EDIT: I'd also be lying if I said I didn't feel some schadenfreude. Mostly, though, I want the temperature to turn down.
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It would be nice if the current administration wasn't doing a predictably terrible job of turning said temperature down.
 
laynelane said:
I'll admit that is rather adorable, but so are these:






I know what you mean @Trilobit. Cute cat pictures make me happy too.

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Cute French Bulldog pictures too.
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Frustrated Over It GIF by Humane Society of Northeast Georgia
 
Unknown? said:
You're starting to sound like Charlie now. ;)

But on subject the Patriot Act is crap.
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Charlie cheered on everything Trump does. Charlie flip flopped immediately on Epstein when he was told to.

The right loves cosplaying as someone who cares about rights, but they rammed through that Patriot Act while doing that and canceling anyone who disagreed.

Deeper than caring about rights, they just want anyone they can be better than. If they get that, they will give up anything. Better than immigrants, better than the libs. You can watch them get what's coming and enjoy the show. Doesnt matter that we have masked untrained polices forces abducting people without due process. No one on the right gives a damn about due process or free speech or election law or canceling. They will enthusiastically give it all up to watch the show and for more "security."
 
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YCoCg said:
A gay furry with a trans "girlfriend" in a community of queer furry gamers, who was angry at his families Conservative views after he started taking tranny pipe.

Yeah no real getting around that, that's not just left, that's heavy left.
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So being leftist is about taking tranny pipe now? :messenger_grinning_squinting:
 
Punished Miku said:
Charlie cheered on everything Trump does. Charlie flip flopped immediately on Epstein when he was told to.

The right loves cosplaying as someone who cares about rights, but they rammed through that Patriot Act while doing that and canceling anyone who disagreed.

Deeper than caring about rights, they just want anyone they can be better than. If they get that, they will give up anything. Better than immigrants, better than the libs. You can watch them get what's coming and enjoy the show. Doesnt matter that we have masked untrained polices forces abducting people without due process. No one on the right gives a damn about due process or free speech.
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Eh... I wouldn't call Bush and his cohorts rightwing and even those supposedly on the left in government wanted the Patriot Act. Bush and those other "leftists" are more globalists.

The Patriot Act was made LONG before 2001 but they needed an excuse to ram it in. Biden is on record for claiming that he was involved in writing it.

Tbh the right and left are two wings of the same bird, they are very similar.
 
12Goblins said:
I mean that's not really a normal format of debating. Could be completely making shit up here, but I feel like that started in the early 2010s w/ Steven Crowder who is the King Shit Starter, showing up to liberal campuses and forcing 18-20 libtards to say stupid shit that lines up with their beliefs. He prob ruffled a few feathers doing that, they probably told him you can't keep harassing our stupids but you are allowed to reserve a booth and people can choose to engage with you. That got popular along with the trend for people to want to watch people "DEMOLISH this libtard" on YouTube, and CK perfected and the whole process and made it a mainstream brand.
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People who only debate online won't ever be killed by a cultist. I can very brave from my cozy living room, too.

Charlie Kirk, like Shapiro and others, stood in front of a crowd that shouted at him and threatened his life. This is the reason why he died.

Scary_Larry said:
Very bizarre watching edge lords who have spent the last 8-10 years trivializing violence and calling people overly sensitive engaging in full on state backed censorship and cancel culture.
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Here's the difference: the media has the obligation (professional) to tell the truth or at least no tell lies on factual information. What this journo did was straight up manipulation. He knew the truth but he chose to lie to millions. So now he's out, deservedly so. Calling this "cancel culture" is wrong.

Cancel culture is harrassing someone for saying things that are factually correct but offensive to ideological fanatics. Not the same, not even close.
 
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YCoCg said:
No but chances are if you are doing that, you stand a higher chance of leaning left, unless you're one of them self-hating ones who slanders trans people before going home and jerking off to trans porn.
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The most prominent trans person in the world is a Republican.
 
YCoCg said:
No but chances are if you are doing that, you stand a higher chance of leaning left, unless you're one of them self-hating ones who slanders trans people before going home and jerking off to trans porn.
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I'm not even going to suggest his core beliefs could be consistent with a libertarian after what happened last time :messenger_confounded:
 
Just heard Kimmel got fired. I always found it strange how he was able to avoid any scrutiny from the usual suspects considering his history on The Man Show. He was a feminist's worst nightmare when it was on the air, even commited the cardinal sin of wearing blackface in a recurring sketch, and now they're defending him...
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Unknown? said:
Eh... I wouldn't call Bush and his cohorts rightwing and even those supposedly on the left in government wanted the Patriot Act. Bush and those other "leftists" are more globalists.

The Patriot Act was made LONG before 2001 but they needed an excuse to ram it in. Biden is on record for claiming that he was involved in writing it.

Tbh the right and left are two wings of the same bird, they are very similar.
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We don't use the same definitions so I'll just leave it at that.

Bush is right wing under any coherent definition, for me. Most mainstream Dems are center right and also supported it. Just check the voting records, and their campaign funding. The left was barely represented in congress at the time, and were heavily canceled in the media as well. The most extreme piece of legislation passed on the "left" since 2000 was Obamacare which was a health care policy created by the Heritage Foundation, the most prominent conservative think tank.
 
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poppabk said:
The most prominent trans person in the world is a Republican.
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...I'm sorry I'm drawing a blank here, which Trans person is that?

Also that doesn't mean the majority are, that's just an outlined, that's like saying Candace Owens represents the average black woman because she's the most known conservative black woman.
 
Kotaro said:
The problem of this country is not the right-wing, but it's the left-wing. they are mentally unstable violent people

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it's dipshits on both sides my guy. Both sides have their share of them.

Historically far right extremist violence has been more prevalent in the United States but that doesn't mesh with the narrative that is currently being pushed so there is some sweeping of under the rug stuff in progress.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...department-study-far-right-extremist-violence
 
poppabk said:
See this is why people talk about both sides. Call out people for calling people 'facists' - immediately start calling people Marxists.
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Its almost like its all bullshit used to push through an agenda and they don't actually believe any of the moral grand standing.

You would be shocked to learn they've used impolite language for some time.
 
YCoCg said:
...I'm sorry I'm drawing a blank here, which Trans person is that?

Also that doesn't mean the majority are, that's just an outlined, that's like saying Candace Owens represents the average black woman because she's the most known conservative black woman.
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Caitlyn Jenner.
 
wait so the murderer was banging a trans and people still don't think Kirk's anti trans views had anything to do with why he was targeted?

He texted his trans SO this:

"I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out."

Yet people are still trying to push the narrative he was pro Trump and this wasn't motivated by left wing politics? Insane
 
Jinzo Prime said:
That is an extremely vauge rule and can be interpreted as broadly as anyone wants too. What and who defines "public interest"?
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Truth. Especially the evidential kind. Jimmy isn't a comedian, at one time maybe... he is a propagandists and a lackluster entertaining one at that imo.
 
delirium trigger said:
This is the real problem in this country. The education system has been completely hijacked by marxists. The country has always been divided. Politics are polarizing. A lot of the modern rhetoric isn't all that new.

But holy shit there are a lot marxists running around with a whole lot of influence.
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The clip barely even says anything.

So your argument is that fascists love teachers? Or you hate that she is making money but is also a Marxist but you are the one saying she makes too much but she is the Marxist?
 
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12Goblins said:
Brother you have to admit this issue is more nuanced than Robinson being a "leftist", please
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I think it is clear that he developed a relationship with a trans person and that drove him to make a terrible decision. But I am open to a nuanced approach.

I would say he is not rational in his thinking. But certainly not a maga person.
 
Things are changing quick. Just wait until the Charlie statues get put up and how many arrests will happen. I saw a few murals already got vandalized
 
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Punished Miku said:
The clip barely even says anything.

So your argument is that fascists love teachers? Or you hate that she is making money but is also a Marxist but you are the one saying she makes too much but she is the Marxist?
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I have no idea what you're going on about.

Mom and Dad sent little Tyler off to college and he came back banging his trans roommate and engraving bullets.
 
AJUMP23 said:
I think it is clear that he developed a relationship with a trans person and that drove him to make a terrible decision. But I am open to a nuanced approach.

I would say he is not rational in his thinking. But certainly not a maga person.
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He certainly spent waaay to much time online, that's for sure. Basically a telltale of the dangers of spending too much time on social media can do.
 
Mistake said:
Not necessarily. Look at Pam Bondi, people are fairly pissed at her right now
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They're pissed because she's using the language that the left uses. Not because it applies in zero cases.

It's similar to personalities who literally say that they've retrofitted the epistemic tools of critical theorists for right wing purposes and then go postal when you call them woke right.
 
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