Insane Metal
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For the people arguing about the price (too expensive for both), the market, the economy and the companies' visions are different, so I don't doubt it.
Kepler: PS6 $600 and Xbox Magnus $1200
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nial
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I disagree as well, the PS5 Pro has been designed with the purpose of extracting as much money as possible, something that was not much the case with the PS4 Pro. The only thing this tells me is that it's the PS6 Pro that is going to be $800 expensive.
Subsidizing their systems and offering options when possible is what Sony has been doing for 30 years and it will now change because...? We already know that they're offering the option of a disc drive SKU on PS6, which is something that they didn't do with the PS5 Pro. Does Sony suddenly not care about the adoption rate of its consoles?
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ABnormal
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The problem of developing games with that level of detail is not much a power limit, or rendering limit. It's mostly a client size limit. A game needs to have a coherent level of quality along all the levels, the entire game. And at that level of detail of everything, the file size would be enormous. A game is not a 15 minute section.
So, the ssd data transfer can easily allow for virtually unlimited detail per frame, but it's still not acceptable to have game of a terabyte in size. I would accepr it, to have games like that. But mass memory didn't scale in price to be able to have petabytes SSDs at an acceptable cost.
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GHG
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Did you also think that when you viewed that thread I linked or this a new line of thinking?
BTW, you can get wake from sleep working with a controller on both windows and linux with minimal hassle. The feature is called "wake on bluetooth".
You will get cloud support and you will like it.
ZehDon
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Because Sony is no longer a hardware platform focused company, they're actively price gouging with the current generation, they have no competition, generational spec improvements are smaller than ever before, and scalable software makes cross-gen the standard. Brought together, Sony has zero need to price their hardware as they have done in the past. Instead, they have every reason to price their hardware at a profit - they know interested consumers will buy it regardless.
Not really, no. Most software will be cross-gen for years - heck, we're still seeing cross-gen releases today - so the adoption rate of the PS6 just swaps PS5 gamers for PS6 gamers who buy the same software. The home console market has seen a contraction, which is why Sony is no longer a hardware platform focused company. There's no new customers, you're just selling new stuff to old customers. Beyond that, who is going to compete with them? Anyone who wants to buy a gaming console will eventually buy a PS6 because there's no one else left. Sony won the console war. They can price the PS6 as high as they want and wait out the market. What alternative do consumers have?
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nial
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They have been no longer a hardware platform focused company since November 2020 (following a transition period starting November 2013), and guess what? It was still within their intentions to make the PS5 an affordable device.
What is the end goal here, then? To expect that PS5 userbase to stick with such hardware until 2034 or so? What happens afterwards?
Having no competition does not mean that you're able to charge as much as you want, that will only result into pricing yourself out of the market. Why is the Nintendo Switch 2 only $450, then?
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reinking
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Too bad their competition failed. I am a bit worried that Microsoft raising the ceiling on "console" pricing is going to give Sony more wiggle room to increase the PS6 price. However, I believe that Sony will target an "acceptable" price and build based around that. Unfortunately for those with less disposable income, I expect the PS6 to be priced at minimum equal to PS5 Pro prices.
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mckmas8808
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The Supreme Court will take up the case, if it's even legal for an American President to push tariffs like he is. That's supposed to be heard next month.
BlackTron
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They've given him most of what else he wants. The lower courts make a ruling based on fact finding and the law, and the supreme court overrules it to give him carte blanche. Don't expect anything, they don't want to cross him.
ZehDon
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You might not be aware of this, but the hardware design for a console isn't typically researched planned, tested, created, and manufactured in the same month it's released. It's actually created years prior, and must include a target price for both BOM and retail. The PS5 was done and dusted before Sony began any kind of transition.
The end goal is to provide a new piece of hardware for a shrinking market, for consumers to buy in at their own pace? Console gamers are a dying breed in the grand scheme of gaming, but there's still a sizeable market to service worth billions. Shifting entirely to the PS6 would be a disaster; running the PS5 alongside the PS6 with the occasional next-gen exclusive (ignoring the inevitable PC port) is the clear path forward. With development costs easily reaching $400 million for bigger titles, I'd expect the cross-gen period to last almost all of the generation to ensure maximum sales potential, meaning the PS6 will largely be for the hardcore for majority of its life cycle. The PS6 could be priced at $649, $699, or $799 and I doubt it would alter its adoption rate much. Why leave money on the table?
Having no competition absolutely means you can charge whatever you want - so long as the market is buying what you're selling. Console gamers will have zero alternatives if they want newer hardware under $1k. Why leave money on the table? The Switch 2 is $450 because it costs less than $400 to make and it still has to compete with other handhelds like the emerging PC handheld market such as the Steam Deck which are priced at $400.
Cyborg
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What? If 700 is doable then 1000 is impossible
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
SegaSnatcher
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$1200 is a no go for a dedicated console unless you don't mind an extreme niche install base.
SegaSnatcher
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Yeah, and you think its selling any better after the price increase? Sales were already underwhelming when it cost $499. They aren't pushing millions of units at $799 this holiday season.
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nial
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Yes, I know. They specifically stated that this transition began with the PS4 and was finally in place once the PS5 was released as Sony now had two console platforms on a relatively unified ecosystem. You're not saying much here.
Being priced between $649 and $799 DOES make a difference, going even lower to $599 as well. What are you even talking about?
This hypothesis doesn't hold water when we've already experimented an almost completely cross-generation generation for 4 entire years, and yet, PS5 still sold pretty damn well. Consumers literally don't give a fuck about this or buying a new console every 7 years, as long as it's not, you know, 800 dollars.
Something that is obviously not going to happen.
Most people absolutely don't want new hardware anywhere close to 1K dollars at the moment, either. And guess what? They have the alternative of sticking with their PS5 consoles if that were the case.
There is much more money to be made when people are actually buying your products en masse rather than exclusively focusing on catering to a hardcore audience.
Not only the PS6 will definitely not cost $750 to make, but the Switch 2 is absolutely not competing with PC handhelds in any capacity. You're still under the delusion of that being the case.
If the Switch 2 was priced at $700, people wouldn't have bought PC handhelds instead, they would have kept buying Switch 1 consoles or sticking with them. Please realize that ""the emerging PC handheld market"" is not remotely a thing in terms of the larger mass market.
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Donald mac Ronald
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MayauMiao
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No but it was still cheaper than Saturn, a (adjusted for inflation) $800 console.
mckmas8808
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They have jobs FOR LIFE! What in the world. It's hard to imagine they are scared of him like that. Not saying you're wrong, but come on man.
ZehDon
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Once you're out of the mass market pricing sweet spot, not really. In terms of adoption rate for the PS6 with mostly cross-gen games, a $649 and $799 launch price would probably sell about the same at launch. That's just simple economics and not really up for debate.
I'm glad you agree with what I'm saying. The PS6 will likely be priced high enough that a good number of folks will just stay with their PS5 - which will be fine, because the vast majority of its games will be cross-gen due to development costs.
Cool, you agree with me.
Only if this brings in new customers - which, as I explained, hasn't happened. If I buy The Last of Us Part 1 Remastered Director's Cut Remake for PS5 or PS6 and they both cost the same, how much more or less money does Sony make? Unless Sony hikes its software prices, it'll be the same.
You should probably tell the market then, because there sure are a lot of Switch 2 / Steam Deck comparison videos for products that aren't competing...
Yeah... which is my point about the PS5/PS6.
Since you already agree with me, but feel the need to defend Sony's honour or something, I'll stop here. I don't feel like writing walls of text for someone to basically say: "You're right, but you're still wrong because PlayStation®". Best of luck.
BlackTron
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I think it's a combination of not wanting to rock the boat too much and maybe a human element of being in denial as to how important their own decisions are in the context of history, like this is just about them figuring out how to navigate a tumultuous moment of their own careers, but it's way more serious than that.
Mister Wolf
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Or they just agree with him.
nial
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Duh, agreeing with you on such situation doesn't necessarily mean that I agree that it will be the case.
"Sony will rely on PS5 because PS6 will be too expensive for the mass market"
"That's why they can't price the PS6 too high, consumers will just stick the PS5 if it were the case"
"Yup, thanks for agreeing with me that they're planning for consumers to stick with the PS5"
???????????????????????????
Defend Sony of what? Of your own hypothesis on something that is not guaranteed to be the case? You realize how ridiculous you're sounding, right?
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BlackTron
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Trump appointed judges have disagreed with him before just because their job was to apply the law, even if it meant they were criticized or suffered assassination threats. So this isn't exactly clean cut.
StreetsofBeige
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And those are pre-tariff prices. If tariffs linger around for a couple years (who knows), the current prices are actually $50 more.
The Sony CEO has been big on improving margins too. Thats why price hikes have come numerous times. And some of them had nothing to do with Trump tariffs.
A reason why Sony margins hit the shitter for a few years despite record sales in the division is because PS5 sales ramped up. When a $500 piece of hardware is making hardly any profit (assuming it even is), the division's profit % tanks. Every digital sale (first party content making 100% and every third party sale making 30%) will take take longer to make a dent into that PS5 hardware sale at bad margins.
So I highly doubt Sony is going to release a cheap PS6. You could already see the transition from PS4 Pro at $400 to PS5 Digital launch at $400. And the PS5 model didnt even have a disc drive.
For purists who like a disc drive to play their disc collection, you'll have to tack on $80 too.
Evil Calvin
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PS6 will NOT be $600. It will be at least $800
$799 PS6
$999 Xbox next
$799 PS6
$999 Xbox next
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SuperC
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1.5 or higher, you get more cpu and gpu cores at higher clocks and much higher vram bandwidth
GreatnessRD
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Just don't make no fuckin' sense how terrible console prices have become. On top of paying that bullshit subscription tax. So glad I left that life behind me. Fuck Sony and Microsoft with these dumbass prices. Save yo monies folks!
BlackTron
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Assuming the value of the dollar stays the same (a big assumption) I don't see $800 PS6 because Sony's goal is to sell games on their ecosystem which is impossible if people can't afford the system. Maybe if the goal was simply to sell more than Xbox the $1000 PC would help there but, well, it isn't. It's to sell a whole lot more than that.
PS5 Pro isn't the indicator many seem to take it as. PS6 will be an efficient under the TV box with a reasonable asking price that is far less powerful than the Xbox PC. As a result, game releases will move a lot of units. The PS6 Pro will be there in case you have extra money to throw but they won't bank the business on it alone.
PS5 Pro isn't the indicator many seem to take it as. PS6 will be an efficient under the TV box with a reasonable asking price that is far less powerful than the Xbox PC. As a result, game releases will move a lot of units. The PS6 Pro will be there in case you have extra money to throw but they won't bank the business on it alone.
Tiago Rodrigues
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It's funny that in a way, Sony killed Sega with that and then Xbox got to where it is now because of Sony's own "399" for the PS4 in 2013. Any other brand that didn't have a company such as MS behind it, it would've been killed that generation. (Xbox One)
Not outside of carefully crafted screenshots, and it only comes somewhat close in very rare locations. When you look closer and go around the world, you can quickly notice low poly geometry, low detail medium distance detail, LOD breakup, and washed out lighting when we enter areas that dont play nice with the baked lighting due to the lack of gi.Doesn't DS2 look like that first UE5 video?
I am a massive fan of Decima and GG and have them as the most talented technical studio in Sony's arsenal due to their immense ps3 showings and impressive ps4 showings. Hell, even Forbidden West is a powerhouse for a cross-gen title, but DS2 is disappointing for a late-gen decima release, it basically advanced nothing on the cross gen pipeline from forbidden west and trades blows with the cross gen title rather than showing convincing growth over it which is plain embvarassing for the showcase technical showcase title from Sony in the latter end of its gen on its premier engine.
Because they need to sell their console to the mainstream market. This is not the pro where they had the excuse of targeting enthusiast customers, thus having the option of asking a premium price, including a good margin. If they set the price too high, not enough customers will migrate to the new console and a smaller/dwindling install base will be a serious issue for the longterm growth and sustainability of the ecosystem and will just resultin devs priorotizing the ps5 as the target platform which will make things worese. In the current economic climate the mainstream market will just be happy to ride out the cross-gen wave for most of the ps6 gen, which will probably be even larger on the ps6, especially since the jump in specs is very modest compared to the ps4 to the ps5 and selling a new marketing point on the ps6 is that much harder since they already used up most of the bullet points on the ps5 and pro already 4k, 60fps, rt, ml etc.
poppabk
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Because gaming is now a mature platform and they have no realistic competition.
Crayon
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PS6 max 599.
You guys have me playing this stupid guessing game now.
They can also do 499 if they want. Just have to make it less powerful. If they can get away with leaning on scaling hard, and getting an outsized boost in rt, the could get away with something touting the same useless teraflop metric as PS5 pro. Then you guys can have an epic meltdown and buy it anyway.
You guys have me playing this stupid guessing game now.
They can also do 499 if they want. Just have to make it less powerful. If they can get away with leaning on scaling hard, and getting an outsized boost in rt, the could get away with something touting the same useless teraflop metric as PS5 pro. Then you guys can have an epic meltdown and buy it anyway.
thatsafakewebsitebro
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Maybe that's the point. Microsoft loves throwing money away. Maybe they just want Xbox to die out naturally.
Fess
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Plus, they might interest a certain PC crowd looking for a prebuild multi launcher living room box.
I wonder what the european price will be…
For me:
PS5 Pro : $1150 w disc drive
RTX 4090 : $2500
RTX 5090 : $3500
Roughly like that, converted directly from local currency, vat included.
If everything else was the same and if I had to choose between the two, then my instant thought would be to go for the more expensive one. As an enthusiast gamer I don't know the concept of choosing a lower budget alternative. It's just not for me.
But everything else isn't the same…
I think most, or all, are already inside either ecosystem. Deep. At this point it's like mobile phones. You don't buy an Android phone over an iPhone because it's cheaper. You don't swap. You'll go where you already have the same account and game progression and purchases and achievements, trophies, friends lists, etc. And the other device will at best be a side thing bought during a sale but will probably be skipped with no deeper thoughts about it.
And going forward, assuming the rumors are true, then the exclusivity talk will be pointless.
Xbox isn't needed when all MS games are coming to PlayStation.
PlayStation isn't needed when all Sony games are coming to Xbox(through Steam).
It's going to be weird, unless strategies are changed.
Also, as a PC gamer - Do I need any of them???
Serious question. I already have a living room PC. I think they both need to pull some kind of rabbit out of their hat to truly interest me.
Venom Snake
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If this were to be true, Xbox will enter levels occupied by PCs, and then it would better have comparably better performance than a PC at the same price and the possibility of customization, otherwise it will be DOA.
Mister Wolf
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The larger the power gap between Magnus and the PS6 the better.
Felessan
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PC/xbox fans to be so concerned about PS future pricing is amusing
There are roughly 10-20mln of customers who are "interested" and willing to pay extra for extra power (see Pro consoles sales), all the rest are very price sensitive, even slower than PS4 adoption of PS5 is a sign of that. And you literally propose Sony to kill even more sales by pricing out next gen out of wider stratas.
Consoles in general expands and analyzing home consoles is difficult as Switch is a Hybrid and what share of it should be attributable to home consoles is murky. People do play Switch(2) as home console so some of it should be attributable to it if you want to make statement whether market contracts or not. Can't just exclude stuff because you like results this way better.
Fans of certain agenda always found cherry-picked numbers, for example to look only on current-gen xbox+PS, excluding both past-gen that is still alive or Switch, to try to push some ideas that contradict to more general picture.
They are hardware platform focused company. Their main revenue driver is their walled garden ecosystem that currently 99% dependent on hardware sales.
There are roughly 10-20mln of customers who are "interested" and willing to pay extra for extra power (see Pro consoles sales), all the rest are very price sensitive, even slower than PS4 adoption of PS5 is a sign of that. And you literally propose Sony to kill even more sales by pricing out next gen out of wider stratas.
There is no contraction besides xbox killing itself. Sony clearly expanded their Playstation active playerbase (PS4+PS5) and so is Nintendo.
Consoles in general expands and analyzing home consoles is difficult as Switch is a Hybrid and what share of it should be attributable to home consoles is murky. People do play Switch(2) as home console so some of it should be attributable to it if you want to make statement whether market contracts or not. Can't just exclude stuff because you like results this way better.
Fans of certain agenda always found cherry-picked numbers, for example to look only on current-gen xbox+PS, excluding both past-gen that is still alive or Switch, to try to push some ideas that contradict to more general picture.
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playbignbox
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Man, reading this thread makes me feel bad for some people lol To think that the PS6 will cost $499 when it launches in 2-3 years is just crazy.
Danny22
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Why do people here expect the next Xbox/PS to cost 1000-1200 ONLY?
The ROG ally shows the new pricing system and that is selling a 'normal/pro' version at a 1000 price and a 'series s' version at 600 to get the masses. Again, just like the ROG.
And I expect a series s version from both.
The ROG ally shows the new pricing system and that is selling a 'normal/pro' version at a 1000 price and a 'series s' version at 600 to get the masses. Again, just like the ROG.
And I expect a series s version from both.
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Mobilemofo
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The system itself can be as premium as fuck, its the price and games will decide if it takes off..I'm going for 'meh' to 'quite good ' impressions wise. 
nial
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$599 is the most common assumption, including the one in the OP.
clappedcheeks
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It certainly seems that way. A few folks are twisting themselves to dispel any notion that Sony will aim for mass market pricing, even though rumours suggest they are going for a design that is cheaper to manufacture and ship. Any mention of Magnus pricing is to push it down to perceived PS6 levels, completely ignoring the fact it's not likely to be subsidised and is aiming for high end specs.Reading through this thread, I can only conclude that FUD season has begun.
HeisenbergFX4
has been saying for a looooong time that the Xbox console is north of 1K, and that is conveniently ignored. Then there's the contingent that believe Microsoft is going to offer a spec that would cost 50% more if you buy a prebuilt with similar performance. Again completely ignoring the fact Microsoft is aiming to make a profit on the hardware, and also not piss off their OEM partners.