Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Sounds to me more like you just eat whatever journos feed you
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Sounds to me more like you just eat whatever journos feed you
Stafford
Member
You can always fly down and loot em?
Stafford
Member
But that's perfect for exploration for me. Zoomed out during combat this hectic is best for sure. Bust just when chilling, taking in the atmosphere of towns and stuff I love a closer camera.
Nydius
Member
ValiantInstance's quote you posted is almost textbook No True Scotsman fallacy.
"Gamers love Crimson Desert."
"But review X said Y and Z negatively about the game."
"Reviewers and mainstream players aren't real gamers. If you're a real gamer, you'll love this game."
March Climber
Member
We will have to agree to disagree. CCU convos don't belong anywhere near single player games. They don't mean anything for single player games. Most single player games don't have servers that rely on that number.
Keep that rat race away from it and keep it towards the PvP/PvE titles.
pudel
Member
In roughly 6.5 hrs
ValiantInstance
Member
The mainstream audience want to be spoon fed. That's the core point of what people are getting at when they talk about yellow paint and having annoying companions tell you the solution after 5 seconds.
Every single gaming journalist falls into this category.
touchfuzzy
Gold Member
Hardly -- just noting how these things tend to go. I can guarantee you if it was reviewing 90+, suddenly the reviewer's opinions would be very valuable around here. Crazy how that works.
Stuart360
Member
Pearl Abyss will have the last laugh, and i'm not talking about sales. I genuinely think this game will be a few feedback and QOL patches away from being the game some people expected/hoped it will be.
6 months from now i wont be surprised if many people think this is the best game of the year.
6 months from now i wont be surprised if many people think this is the best game of the year.
GymWolf
Gold Member
There is also a first person view for exploration and checking items.But that's perfect for exploration for me. Zoomed out during combat this hectic is best for sure. Bust just when chilling, taking in the atmosphere of towns and stuff I love a closer camera.
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ReasonBeing
Member
I think the point is being missed. People who like easy games are still gamers. People who like hard games are gamers. People who like popular games or niche games are gamers. This "real gamers are like this" narrative is not only a fallacy, but needless gatekeeping that doesn't comport with reality.
Edit: I think "can be gamers" works better than "are gamers"
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
And yet Elden Ring has a 96 average on metacritic.
Reviewers aren't some monolith of casual gamers.
And some of the negative reviews of Crimson Desert were from people who said the combat was the strong suit and didn't complain about the difficulty at all.
Why are people acting like fanboys for a game they never played?
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WellSheet
Member
I find the back and forth about this highly amusing.
Some people have so much invested in the game being some massive level of genre-defining and generational they cant accept the scores. Or at least they are trying to make less of them or who scored them.
Then there's the people who obviously just this game to fail and to see people who're excited about it, eat crow or rub in their face that it was a failure; looo no further than the self-congratulatory posts with people saying how they "called it" followed by why this game was doomed, and anyone who thought it would garner reviews about 85 was an idiot.
Conversely, the people who've reviewed the game, I think it's painfully obvious, a large swathe of the "games journalist class" are truly not equipped to handle this type of game; whether that be due to the nature of its systems, the time constraints they have on them to hit embargo, their skill set as individual players; but the more hardcore "gamers" who have done reviews-in-progress are eating this up, for the most part. Funny that split.
Some people have so much invested in the game being some massive level of genre-defining and generational they cant accept the scores. Or at least they are trying to make less of them or who scored them.
Then there's the people who obviously just this game to fail and to see people who're excited about it, eat crow or rub in their face that it was a failure; looo no further than the self-congratulatory posts with people saying how they "called it" followed by why this game was doomed, and anyone who thought it would garner reviews about 85 was an idiot.
Conversely, the people who've reviewed the game, I think it's painfully obvious, a large swathe of the "games journalist class" are truly not equipped to handle this type of game; whether that be due to the nature of its systems, the time constraints they have on them to hit embargo, their skill set as individual players; but the more hardcore "gamers" who have done reviews-in-progress are eating this up, for the most part. Funny that split.
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Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
What people are imo referring to tho is there are ratings in the 90s, but everyone is defaulting to the lowest reviews as if it's gospel. The game could very well be one of the best someone has played or just a great experience but letting reviews of any sort sway someone to such lengths seems a bit sheepish but that's just me.
Stuart360
Member
Dude i just wanted a game with fantastic exploration, and the game seems to have that above everything else. So i'm more than happy.
Bojji
Gold Member
No one played the game so we can only react based on the history of reviews.
There were games that got high scores for no good fucking reason (Spider-Man games are 7/10 but got 9/10 scores) and there are brilliant games that get low scores because of politics (Days Gone, KCD1) or technical issues (Stalker 1/2).
We have no idea if CD deserves this MC score or not.
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ValiantInstance
Member
It's not about hard or easy, I don't particularly enjoy Souls games. An enthusiast is more likely to engage with mechanical depth, even if it takes several hours. A casual will go play something else.
Depth is something we have lost as the medium has become mainstream. Take Battlefield 6 for example. I enjoy the game, but the gunplay is as deep as a puddle compared to entries from 10+ years ago.
That's what I'm getting at. It's not about whether the game is hard or easy, or even good or bad. The Youtubers who you could class as enthusiasts enjoy the depth of the game's systems, the game journalists did not.
ReasonBeing
Member
You are making this up
Raven117
Member
Maybe I'll try that.
I can understand dunking on those games as, collectively, thats corporate slop being forced down gamers throats and told to like it so they can monitize you.The Highguard and marathon ones would've made you take up rock climbing lol.
Yuck
Cynical. Some for good reason (Highguard, Concord, even Marathon that seeks to monitize the player), and some for not good reasons, (Crimson Desert, a single player open world trying something new).
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
You eat up what journos feed you when a game you want to like gets praised. Don't call out others when you're no better.
ReasonBeing
Member
I'm easy to please. Give me a large map with engaging traversal mechanics, and half the battle is won. This isn't a game I'll pick up at launch, but I imagine I will eventually do so, and have a good time with it based on the world alone.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
What are you even talking about lmao.. I fucking have praised games that get shit on by these people because I carve my own path, I don't care one bit what "journos" say or do they can all fucking diaf
Edit : and yea, you are fucking retarded apparently
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Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
I'm speaking of those that are saying "see it's crap" and then pointing out the lowest scores, ignoring anyone that says it's truly awesome.
pudel
Member
Yeah, sometimes even these cucks are right. But when you give Veilguard a 9/10 and this game a 6/10....we are just two different types of "gamers". Doesnt matter if you accidentally align with me from time to time.
ReasonBeing
Member
So "everyone" is actually referring to a minority of people. That's fine, but keep in mind that words have meaning.
March Climber
Member
We also don't know how journalists of today assign reviews.
Back during the early Giantbomb days, Alex was the 'sports guy' (due to him being assigned that at Gamespot prior) and he would always be the one to take one for the team and review each Madden, NBA 2k, and Hockey game, because that became his forte over time.
Thus he was familiar with what is good and bad within those games and that genre, so he could critically comment on their very minor number of changes between entries and make an informed review.
Someone earlier in this thread posted an image of the new WWE2k26 getting an 81 meta, yet they literally didn't know that the monetization in this specific year's WWE game is 2x worse than NBA 2k's egregious monetization.
Now the uninformed buyer sees an 81 and simply thinks the game is better than last year's, not knowing they are in for a potential money sink.
The Alex-types would catch this and rate this WWE game much lower, but not the freelancers or random deadline reviewers.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Touched a nerve I see. That usually happens when someones full of shit.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
You really think you touched a nerve? Lmao good one kid.
Show me where I propped up a journo even once anywhere, I'll wait
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Yeah, sometimes even these cucks are right. But when you give Veilguard a 9/10 and this game a 6/10....we are just two different types of "gamers". Doesnt matter if you accidentally align with me from time to time.
He is right in preaching "make your own mind", but most people dont serve what they preach. Hell even I at times have bought something that was praised without considering the things i liked or not from videos.
SomeNorseGuy
Gold Member
I sincerely hope that the abilities that uses the combination of R3 & R3 are few and only used at special occasions- 'cause fuck that shit.
CowboyLou
Member
Well I just bought it and I hadn't even heard of it two months ago. Not sure when I'll get into it since I want to have my fun with Marathon before Sony kills it. But CD feels like a significant game and I don't want to miss out on the zeitgeist. Also keep up the quality entertainment here guys 
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MMaRsu
Member
Yeah, sometimes even these cucks are right. But when you give Veilguard a 9/10 and this game a 6/10....we are just two different types of "gamers". Doesnt matter if you accidentally align with me from time to time.
Are the reviews from the same person tho?
Icylobster
Neo Member
The reviews I read made it sound like the only major issues are:
1. Bugs
2. UI Friction
Some reviewers complain about the lack of story exposition. Other the difficulty of combat. Some really want handholding.
The review that I saw that really liked Elden Ring said the lack of context and direction was similar to Elden Ring. Maybe a little worse. That their main issues had to do with some puzzles being frustrating and general game system friction.
So it honestly seems like it's going to be preference and how much the company fixes bugs. If you are on PC then modding might fix or massively reduce UI friction.
Makes me pretty interested to be honest. I loved Elden Ring. I'm also on PC so mods and bug fixing might make this game pretty darn good. But it does seem like being a patient gamer is the play here.
1. Bugs
2. UI Friction
Some reviewers complain about the lack of story exposition. Other the difficulty of combat. Some really want handholding.
The review that I saw that really liked Elden Ring said the lack of context and direction was similar to Elden Ring. Maybe a little worse. That their main issues had to do with some puzzles being frustrating and general game system friction.
So it honestly seems like it's going to be preference and how much the company fixes bugs. If you are on PC then modding might fix or massively reduce UI friction.
Makes me pretty interested to be honest. I loved Elden Ring. I'm also on PC so mods and bug fixing might make this game pretty darn good. But it does seem like being a patient gamer is the play here.
Lokaum D+
Member
When Sony doesI sincerely hope that the abilities that uses the combination of R3 & R3 are few and only used at special occasions- 'cause fuck that shit.
When some unknown Korean dev does
double standards are strong in game community.
pudel
Member
No, but I dont think it matters much. Both reviews are a joke imho.
Icylobster
Neo Member
I think they are referencing the IGN reviewer. I would need to double check. But in this case I think they were
ShadyAcshuns
Member
It's the same song and dance for any game. That behavior is as old as pong.
SomeNorseGuy
Gold Member
Lol, fuck anyone who uses those buttons for anything but a toggle. And especially fuck Sony ...just out of principle.When Sony does
When some unknown Korean dev does
double standards are strong in game community.
Any specific game you're talking about btw? Just so I know to avoid it like the plague.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Oh absolutely, I remember this all back in the late 90s early 2000s on ign and vn boards, hell I remember on BBSs debating games in the 90s and it's never changed just all comes with the territory basically.
HRK69
Member
That makes zero sense.
If someone's enjoying a game, they're already playing it
Probably nobody just drops a game they like because some random score says it's "bad." The whole sentence is backwards.
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Lokaum D+
Member
i been pressing R3 for lock on target and L3 for resetting camera angle for the last 20 years, i really dont have a problem pressing them every now and then in order to finish a combo.
but hey, ppl can have double standards as much as they want, i just find a odd thing to complain about it.
Also, just buy a fucking controller with back pads and map the damn thing on those.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
But that is just the haters, not the hobby itself. Just ignore them.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
There are too many people especially in GAF argue about the review scores.
My point was don't let "score" decide if you gonna enjoy the game or not.
For example Pragmata might not get high scores either but it makes zero difference to me because I know my taste in games I know I'm gonna enjoy it no matter what.
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