You missed the point about Sankarea, DEEN staff is generally regarded with fear and loathing, or something close to it.
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You missed the point about Sankarea, DEEN staff is generally regarded with fear and loathing, or something close to it.
I don't feel like pointing names here at all, so from your perspective I could be grasping at straws, yeah - although I could point you to some of my local friends, haha.
You could ask darkside, though.
Jex
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I think you've got that backwards. People watched Sankarea because they watch the first episode of a bunch of shows, whether they look crap or good. After people found it was good they went and looked up the staff list.
hosannainexcelsis
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I'm glad you enjoyed it. I just couldn't take the show as seriously as it wanted me to take it, especially with Mr. Producer hanging around.
You're saying they can't be compared as to whether one is better or worse. A different direction CAN be better or worse than another. Or are you saying the execution of SSO's new direction couldn't go completely off the rails and be worse than the original?
I don't really see what you are saying here. Are you saying that everyone should have fixed pre-conceptions about everything and not be flexible at all? You are not tackling my very logical laid out points just to continue your straw man argument. If there is subject matter that someone generally avoids because it is not to their liking, there is nothing wrong with giving something a chance if someone talented you believe in is involved in a new production involving that subject matter.
The expectation here is that the material can be tackled in a way which you might like, as opposed to being close minded about it completely. It varies from person to person. For some people the distaste for the subject matter would be too great, and instead of looking forward to it, they would instead express disappointment that someone they admire is working on something they're not interested in at all instead.
To say that subject matter alone should trump all is rather silly and disrespectful to art because it implies that execution doesn't matter. Subject matter is just an idea and concept. How it is formed into a work of art is executed by individuals. These individuals have names and they have portfolios. If they are prolific and successful, they deserve to be respected and admired for their ability to bring the best out of a subject matter.
I love robots, but if Uwe Boll made a robot movie I wouldn't expect it to be any good, because he's a poor craftsman. Expecting it to be good just because the subject matter interests me would be stupid. Works do not make themselves, they are made by human beings.
For some people, they simply do not discriminate by subject matter. There is nothing wrong with that. It means that they are open to any ideas and styles, as long as it is done well. For something to be done well, it needs good craftsmen. That is what staff are. They are the people who make something good. If you just think about it in a logical sense, you wouldn't have to try to put down people for actually being more discerning and respectable than you.
If you don't give a fuck about art or having respect for creative talent, that's your own business. Don't try to spin it such that it's a bad thing to care.
I don't think you need to take a show seriously to enjoy it, even if the series introduces serious moments itself.
I don't mean enjoying it ironically either, just to make that clear.
That plus it was so boring. I could barely last through the first 8 episodes.
A quick google search brings me to this blog called Moe Fundamentalism:
I lol'd.
Will watch.
KuwabaraTheMan
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It's hard to judge works by subject matter before they air. Leading up to something airing, the staff involved are the best thing you have to go on for an original work. Adaptations are a different matter, but it's hard to have a lot of hype for something new based on reasons other than staff.
A subject can sound interesting, but anime (and all media) is littered with interesting sounding concepts which were executed extremely poorly. Being hyped for something because it's by a director you know and trust is pretty logical. It's not a guarantee of success, but it's the best way of gauging interest in advance.
It really does look like HanaIro 2.0. Too bad it won't have the Ando touch.
Hellsing321
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Are you saying people wouldn't normally like the idea of a movie centered on family relationships and child rearing and are only interested because Hosoda is on it?
Don't worry, I'm sure that there'll be a Pokemon episode focusing on Vanillish eventually.
dakkumauji
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So instead of flashing back, let's get amnesia for more character development! It wasn't a bad episode, kinda wish I recognized what story the two characters of the day were from.
Suddenly, frills everywhere!
So instead of flashing back, let's get amnesia for more character development! It wasn't a bad episode, kinda wish I recognized what story the two characters of the day were from.
Who the heck went into Sankarea thinking "man this story looks like crap, but it has this obscure SHAFT guy directing so I bet it will be good!"? Sankarea is basically the opposite of staff whoring so I have no idea why you chose that as evidence.
Oh, was it this one?
If so I did watch it, I think. Didn't think it was that memorable.
I think he means all the people saying stuff like "I guess I'm a furry now!".
Which is a pretty silly complaint, since people like disney's stuff!
hosannainexcelsis
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It won't have the easy hot spring excuse for fanservice either, so if we're very lucky it could avoid that flaw of Hanasaku Iroha. At any rate, I'll give it a watch (especially since music is involved). The worst I'd expect it to be is boring.
Femmeworth
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The Suda51 hate makes me a sad panda. 
dakkumauji
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While it won't be on Vanillish, there will be an upcoming episode about the two head ice cream cone freak, Vanilluxe.
Be prepared for a huge change in tone that really hurts the show soon!
Oh, was it this one?
If so I did watch it, I think. Didn't think it was that memorable.
That's too bad.
Did you at least like episode 8?
I should have said, do you think it was the best out of the episodes you watched?
I would have said most auteur, but then it would have sounded like a Zero Punctuation reference.
(Can this please not start a debate over the quality of Zero Punctuation? Thanks.)
Yes, he very much is.
Oh hell yes.
Mine Fujiko at 14?!
Should be #1!
Nah. The OP for Fujiko is kind of boring. Its classy and filled with perky nipples, but that doesn't make it a really fun OP.
WHATTHEFUCKHUHIDONTKNOWWHATYOUAREPOSTINGGOBACKTOYOURPLANETANDRETURNINAYEARANDTRYAGAINMEEP
Taisho Baseball Girls 12 [FINAL]
Such a good show! People really should be checking this out!
I found myself clapping with some of the plays these girls made. I mean look at this.
Yuki jumped and snatched that ball! I say damn!
Shizuka couldn't have cared less about baseball at the start of the series, now look at her. So good.
Kyouko dug deep to make that catch! So damn good!
I haven't been this hyped from a sports anime since Ookiku Furikabutte. Loved the characters and their strength for dealing with all the crap that was sent their way due to playing a 'boys' game.Well done!While they didn't win, they sure made a damn good impression that girls can do things just as good as the boys!
Wonderful! So glad to have another Taisho Baseball Girls fan!
That looks MUCH better.
And cuter! <3
Yes, but its Kanna. She can't be NOT cute.
I liked it for the cuteness, the penguins, the fabulous, and Ringo. I don't give a shit who staffed it other than Ikuhara.
You got it stuck in my head again! I shall never recover from this addiction.
That was pretty much the episode where it happens though. I was kind of disappointed that there was no meltdown in those impressions.
I liked episode 9 the most, probably. 8 was good.
The Suda51 hate makes me a sad panda.
How can the champion of chastity, modesty, and long skirts support a producer of filth like Suda51?
It was? I was expecting more of a reaction from him when it happened, so I assumed it was the next episode.
You underestimate the anime industry. In any case it looks like they're right next to the ocean, I expect swimsuits to be involved at some point.
hosannainexcelsis
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Episode 9 was the best episode of Idolmaster. That Yamauchi style.
That's why I said "very lucky". I can hope!
Dunno, but Suda51 is amazing and I'd love to see an anime written by him. It would be absolutely insane.
PdotMichael
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The Suda51 hate makes me a sad panda.
I see you are using the forbidden website
But it's the Makoto parts that make that episode good!
Just look at what Lagrange did!
Nah, dat makoto swag was what made episode 8 so good.
I think I'd have liked the show more if they dropped the whole being an idol stuff, but unfortunately, I guess that's what Idolmaster was all about from the start.
And if Haruka and the rest of the boring girls took a plane to America, never to return.
Let's just all agree it was the Makoto and Azusa parts that made it so good.
Jex
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I don't know if anyone enjoy's anything ironically. If you enjoy something, you enjoy something.
Makoto was #2 to Takane, but I agree with you.
I'm not anywhere near Tem Azusa and I thought that Episode 8 was far and away the best. Namassuka and Ritsuko's episodes were good too, otherwise I found the series well-produced but unengaging.
Games can't have auteurs -- they're not art.
Crash Station
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I never said it was a bad thing to care. All I'm saying is people shouldn't get worked out of shape when someone chooses to ignore an arguably well-executed work because they can't get past the subject matter.
But I see no reason to continue this conversation if it's just going to descend into insults.
I'm saying more likely than not, they'll both have their own pros and cons. Some will like one over the other. If they end up tackling the same thing, it will come down to an argument of execution. In my opinion, the theme of struggle will not be as well-executed without the pandora boxes based on everything I've seen.
I'm saying the anti-furries (which I know are in here) wouldn't give that movie a second glance if not for Hosoda's involvement.
Regulus Tera
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The difference here being that Ikuhara's works have had a higher influence on following works in the medium when compared to Suda 51, who's basically a cult director.
Okay, I suppose I can live with that.
Besides, we all know that it's episode 18 that's the best - it's the episode that restored Yamakans faith in the power of anime!
Maybe it's better if we don't.
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