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[Maedhros]

Announcing any games at all would have been better than nothing. Yes, Playstation all stars is nothing.

And other 25 games on the booths. Is that no games at all? They just showed what they think, will be the biggest games from thirds for Vita.

I mean, I know the Wonderbook section(what a fucking joke) would be better expent with Vita game trailers, it would make the conference much better IMO.

 

[Acquiescence]

I read a Eurogamer article today about how, in retrospect, Yoshida admits they should've spent more time talking about the Vita at the conference.

...

You'd have thought, the way things are going, that it'd have been abundantly clear months ago that they should've focused half their show or so on the Vita. Yet they blew through it in minutes. Shocking.

 

[systemfehler]

If I get a Vita for 249€ (or less of course) + Uncharted + 8GB memory stick I am happy. Until then I will wait as long as there is not a single game I can't resist. My guess is that Sony will need either a good bundle or a price cut to reach their sales target. Might happen this summer or at TGS with a holiday season announcement.

 

[ari]

Listen I'm not going to pick up All Stars either, but it is a new game, you can't just disqualify it like that Tobor

if you aren't gonna pick that up, what are you gonna pick up?

....

....

thats the problem

 

[jmdajr]

Going to be an uphill battle. I hope they stay strong though. Portable gaming needs good options.

 

[Tobor]

And other 25 games on the booths. Is that no games at all? They just showed what they think, will be the biggest games from thirds for Vita.

I mean, I know the Wonderbook section(what a fucking joke) would be better expent with Vita game trailers, it would make the conference much better IMO.

As far as the press conference is concerned, yes. The E3 PC is a big fucking deal guys, that's where the announcements are supposed to go.

At the very fucking least, do a quick sizzle reel and mention that 25 games are on the floor. It's not rocket science.

Listen I'm not going to pick up All Stars either, but it is a new game, you can't just disqualify it like that Tobor

I'm sort of joking about that, but that game is a joke, so it's fitting.

 

[Acquiescence]

As far as the press conference is concerned, yes. The E3 PC is a big fucking deal guys, that's where the announcements are supposed to go.

At the very fucking least, do a quick sizzle real and mention that 25 games are on the floor. It's not rocket science.

Say no more.

 

[angelfly]

And other 25 games on the booths. Is that no games at all? They just showed what they think, will be the biggest games from thirds for Vita.

I mean, I know the Wonderbook section(what a fucking joke) would be better expent with Vita game trailers, it would make the conference much better IMO.

They're just fighting against themselves then since regardless of how much space they have for it at their booth the damage has been done. The mainstream media as well as the gaming press has been writing about how bad their conference was and the lack of Vita content. Going to be worse by the time the majority of previews are out.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

I don't think they can afford to cut the price can they? They'd almost lose more money even while selling a few more units.

I think the Vita is easily worth what it's at, we just need more games.

 

[CadetMahoney]

After all that talk in the former half of the year, Vita this, they should do that, what ifs. Oh well.

 

[marc^o^]

This defies my logic.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Would they actually say a price cut is coming if there was one coming?

YEAH GUYS WE'LL BE DROPPING THE PRICE REAL SOON, HOLD OFF ON BUYING THEM FOR NOW!

 

[Maedhros]

Would they actually say a price cut is coming if there was one coming?

YEAH GUYS WE'LL BE DROPPING THE PRICE REAL SOON, HOLD OFF ON BUYING THEM FOR NOW!

Yeah, there's this also.

 

[Massa]

They announced Call of Duty last year, and in an entire year added a subtitle. Bravo.

We already knew about AC3, but yes, they announced one decent game. Bravo.

Not saying they did a great job with the announcements, because they did a terrible job. But they did announce these three games at their conference, in fact the 30 seconds they took to talk about Vita were pretty much these 3 announcements.

And Call of Duty going from "franchise will be on Vita" to a full title with release window is further than some Sony game announcements get.

 

[XOMTOR]

They totally mis-judged what they needed to show and thought all will be well.

Sadly, pretty much business as usual at Sony then; still thinking their brand name is enough to sell.

Anyway, I feel the Vita is the wrong product for the current market and I'm not even convinced a $50 price cut would do much. Sony would have to basically replicate the 3DS turnaround which is extremely unlikely.

Even with a price cut before the holidays, Sony hardware just doesn't sell gangbusters like Nintendo stuff does. My sister who doesn't know shit about gaming knew enough the last 2 holidays to hit Wal-Mart and pick up DSs and a Wii plus requisite Mario games for my nephews.

The rest of the world appears to have moved onto smartphones and tablets for portables. Shamefully even the money I had set aside for Vita went that way instead. Even Japan isn't showing the Vita much love. Tragic really as the hardware is so damn nice (aside from being a tad too large).

 

[skochtaype]

Sony should off shown Vita games at the conference but the fact is that only the 'hardcore' gamer follows E3. Would showing 30 games make a difference?

None of my gaming friends have a clue what E3 is.

Those aren't gaming friends. Those are friends that happen to play games.

 

[Vanillalite]

Brettison says no to buying a Vita then.

You made it easy for me Sony.

 

[DietRob]

Brettison says no to buying a Vita then.

You made it easy for me Sony.

Stole my post.

 

[deadlast]

Would they actually say a price cut is coming if there was one coming?

YEAH GUYS WE'LL BE DROPPING THE PRICE REAL SOON, HOLD OFF ON BUYING THEM FOR NOW!

Or they have bundles incoming instead, besides the ACIII bundle

 

[evangd007]

So they wanted to cut the length of the conference down, so they cut out the Vita instead of the unnecessarily long gameplay demos? Get your fucking act together Sony.

 

[The Elite]

GAF one year earlier on the Vita $249.99 Price:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432772

Going back and reading that thread after reading this thread is kind of hilarious.

I had no issues with the $249.99 price at launch and I've gotten hours of gaming out of it. The only reason they need a price drop now is to compete with Nintendo. I think the price itself, for the hardware, is fine.

 

[Maedhros]

Or they have bundles incoming instead, besides the ACIII bundle

They have. ACIII and Madden Bundle. Europe has other two.

 

[infinityBCRT]

Quite frankly he's just bullshitting, if they want to have a chance to save the system this year they will need 199$ bundles with a game and a 4GB memory card in time for the holiday season. And that's just to have a chance....because I'm not convinced that spinoffs of fatigued franchises will do it.
Also yeah... they want to cut down the length of the conference, so they decided to give 15 minutes to Wonderbook and 5 minutes overall to their new platform
They just made a marketing mistake, he can't admit atm.

If they had a $200 Vita + AC3L Bundle I'd buy it day 1 just like I bought the PSP + Peace Walker bundle on day 1. Spending closer to $300 for that (not to mention that I'd have to shell out for a 32GB memory card to really get use out of that system) is a little too much for a hand held IMO.

Well, at least they have my attention now, but I'm waiting for a price cut before I even get close to buying a Vita, especially with 3 new consoles potentially coming out in the next 18 months and the fact that I'm interested in the 3DS due to Castlevania:MoF. Thats easily over $1200 in hardware I'm looking at wanting to buy

 

[jett]

Sony's done with the Vita. A price cut wouldn't save this sinking ship(there's no support for the thing), and it'd just make them lose money. So why do it? Sony will ride it out like the PSPgo.

 

[radioheadrule83]

At least Yoshida is acknowledging they made a mistake with the conference programme. I wonder if we'll get a similar concession from Nintendo?

 

[Maedhros]

GAF one year earlier on the Vita $249.99 Price:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432772

Going back and reading that thread after reading this thread is kind of hilarious.

I had no issues with the $249.99 price at launch and I've gotten hours of gaming out of it. The only reason they need a price drop now is to compete with Nintendo. I think the price itself, for the hardware, is fine.

Haha, hilarious. Ace Bandage saying he would buy one at that price.

But that was before Nintendo announced their price drop.

Sony's done with the Vita. A price cut wouldn't save this sinking ship(there's no support for the thing), and it'd just make them lose money. So why do it? Sony will ride it out like the PSPgo.

jett
Mr. Negativity

Sony won't drop support. That's for sure.

 

[grimshawish]

GAF one year earlier on the Vita $249.99 Price:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432772

Going back and reading that thread after reading this thread is kind of hilarious.

I had no issues with the $249.99 price at launch and I've gotten hours of gaming out of it. The only reason they need a price drop now is to compete with Nintendo. I think the price itself, for the hardware, is fine.

For the hardware I agree. Its an amazing price, but its the wrong hardware.

And yeah its hilarious that post-day1 Vita opinions flipped. Now its launch line up/games are blamed yet before it was supposedly the most killer launch line-up ever.

I still think that outside of Japan Vita marketing was a big big problem; and this is why its non-existent to many.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

GAF one year earlier on the Vita $249.99 Price:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432772

Going back and reading that thread after reading this thread is kind of hilarious.

Touche. Still doesn't change the fact that a year later I'm still waiting for the main games I was interested in to come out, and now I can't really swing that kinda dough. It's ok though, either I'll wait a few months for the AC3:Lib bundle to be on clearance or I'll mosey over to craigslist yet again.

 

[i-Lo]

Vita needs more games not hardware price cut.

If price is cut is an absolute necessity then it should be for the mandatory proprietary storage device.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

As far as the press conference is concerned, yes. The E3 PC is a big fucking deal guys, that's where the announcements are supposed to go.

At the very fucking least, do a quick sizzle reel and mention that 25 games are on the floor. It's not rocket science.

Also, showing a title and saying "much more in the coming months" might as well be no mention at all. (See: Agent)

 

[Baconsammy]

I never thought Sony would show less interest in the Vita than the world has. The difference between this and the PS3 was I felt completely ripped off a year later by what I paid for the PS3, but I don't with the Vita. I actually own more games for it than I do my 3DS (MK, Lumines, Hot Shots, Stardust and Rayman vs Mario Land and Kart, and Tetris). When I play Rayman on both handhelds, I get why the Vita should be more successful, but for whatever reason Sony can't make the world see it. Is the problem purely marketing? Or does it basically come down to Sony doesn't have anything that approaches the reach of Mario/Zelda/Pokemon?

 

[Slime]

GAF one year earlier on the Vita $249.99 Price:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432772

Going back and reading that thread after reading this thread is kind of hilarious.

I had no issues with the $249.99 price at launch and I've gotten hours of gaming out of it. The only reason they need a price drop now is to compete with Nintendo. I think the price itself, for the hardware, is fine.

Me, a year ago today:

Welll, looks like I'll finally be getting a 3DS, since there's no way Nintendo aren't dropping it to $199 or less after this.

Hah.

Weird reading through that thread again. How quickly everything changed.

 

[Vanillalite]

Vita needs more games not hardware price cut.

If price is cut is an absolute necessity then it should be for the mandatory proprietary storage device.

Vita needs a lot of things which is why it's in such a tough place. Vita needs more games. Vita needs a price drop. Vita needs to fix the memory card situation. Vita needs to find it's place right fit in the handheld space.

 

[fluffydelusions]

So Nintendo is having a dedicated press conference tonight for 3DS games ONLY and vita gets nothing at all apart from some console spinoffs...nice

 

[Maedhros]

Me, a year ago today:



Hah.

Weird reading through that thread again. How quickly everything changed.

Basically, you were going to get a 3DS no matter what.

 

[Vanillalite]

I never thought Sony would show less interest in the Vita than the world has. The difference between this and the PS3 was I felt completely ripped off a year later by what I paid for the PS3, but I don't with the Vita. I actually own more games for it than I do my 3DS (MK, Lumines, Hot Shots, Stardust and Rayman vs Mario Land and Kart, and Tetris). When I play Rayman on both handhelds, I get why the Vita should be more successful, but for whatever reason Sony can't make the world see it. Is the problem purely marketing? Or does it basically come down to Sony doesn't have anything that approaches the reach of Mario/Zelda/Pokemon?

Not counting sales and/or bundles and going stickly off the MSRP the 3ds is essentially $100 cheaper if not more so depending upon how big of a card you buy for the Vita. You're kidding yourself if that's not a big advantage for Nintendo irregardless of if the hardware if inferior to the Vita.

 

[Slime]

Basically, you were going to get a 3DS no matter what.

I always get everything no matter what, so yeah.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Sony expects to sell ten million Vitas this year.

They did not show a single. fucking. thing. that would sell 9 million Vitas in the next 365 days.

They are inflating expectations of something they have no intention of supporting.

 

[jimmypython]

why not do a second conference for Vita like what Nintendo is doing....

 

[fluffydelusions]

Not counting sales and/or bundles and going stickly off the MSRP the 3ds is essentially $100 cheaper if not more so depending upon how big of a card you buy for the Vita. You're kidding yourself if that's not a big advantage for Nintendo irregardless of if the hardware if inferior to the Vita.

Nintendo also have loyal fans that love their franchises and have been in the handheld business since the 80s. When people buy a Nintendo product they know what games they will eventually get. TBH, after seeing the Castlevania, Luigis mansion, and the 2 new mario games I want to get a 3DS.

 

[Xater]

GAF one year earlier on the Vita $249.99 Price:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432772

Going back and reading that thread after reading this thread is kind of hilarious.

I had no issues with the $249.99 price at launch and I've gotten hours of gaming out of it. The only reason they need a price drop now is to compete with Nintendo. I think the price itself, for the hardware, is fine.

That was also in a world where the 3DS cost the same. Things have changed.

 

[luca1980]

sony is losing its reason...

i mean i expected a lot more on vita side this e3...

 

[LuchaShaq]

GAF one year earlier on the Vita $249.99 Price:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432772

Going back and reading that thread after reading this thread is kind of hilarious.

I had no issues with the $249.99 price at launch and I've gotten hours of gaming out of it. The only reason they need a price drop now is to compete with Nintendo. I think the price itself, for the hardware, is fine.

If it had 32- or at least 16 gb of onboard storage I could agree with you. No onboard storage should be significantly lower than 200 on principle.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I think the price itself, for the hardware, is fine.

it isn't, and the consumers have said it isn't (by not buying it). Consumer's don't care what the specs of the device are or how much they cost, they see the 3DS at almost half the price and they wonder why Sony is selling a similar product for way more (and it doesn't even have Mario)

 

[Tobor]

why not do a second conference for Vita like what Nintendo is doing....

That would make sense, so they won't.

They really should, though.

 

[Duffyside]

I think the real reason the Vita wasn't shown at E3 was because of the backlash from the shoulder cams. I suspect there will be some Vita-only event this summer.

And I don't think it needs a price cut, at least an honest one. We all freaked the fuck out when it was announced foor $250. If anything Sony should learn from this to price things higher than needed upon launch so you can bullshit a price cut. As that's the only reason people are asking for a price cut; they're trying to be frugal consumers. The actual value of the device is totally worth the asking price.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

I never thought Sony would show less interest in the Vita than the world has. The difference between this and the PS3 was I felt completely ripped off a year later by what I paid for the PS3, but I don't with the Vita. I actually own more games for it than I do my 3DS (MK, Lumines, Hot Shots, Stardust and Rayman vs Mario Land and Kart, and Tetris). When I play Rayman on both handhelds, I get why the Vita should be more successful, but for whatever reason Sony can't make the world see it. Is the problem purely marketing? Or does it basically come down to Sony doesn't have anything that approaches the reach of Mario/Zelda/Pokemon?

Exactly. If Sony doesn't seem to care about the Vita why should third parties?

Why should I?

 

[Combichristoffersen]

I never thought Sony would show less interest in the Vita than the world has. The difference between this and the PS3 was I felt completely ripped off a year later by what I paid for the PS3, but I don't with the Vita. I actually own more games for it than I do my 3DS (MK, Lumines, Hot Shots, Stardust and Rayman vs Mario Land and Kart, and Tetris). When I play Rayman on both handhelds, I get why the Vita should be more successful, but for whatever reason Sony can't make the world see it. Is the problem purely marketing? Or does it basically come down to Sony doesn't have anything that approaches the reach of Mario/Zelda/Pokemon?

It's a combination of a lot of things, I'd say. While I don't think the RRP for Vita is bad considering what's stuffed inside the thing, it's clearly too high for what the mass market is willing to pay for a dedicated handheld (especially considering how much the handheld gaming landscape has shifted the last few years with the rise of iOS and Android). Add the expensive, proprietary memory cards, a lack of compelling software, general disinterest from third parties, poor marketing, SCEA and SCEEs seeming ignorance of the thing, Nintendo's traditional dominance in the handheld market, the aforementioned iOS and Android, Sony's lack of anything that could rival Nintendo's top IPs and the loss of Monster Hunter in Japan, and you have a battle that isn't even uphill, it's up a 90° angle.

 

[zroid]

Sony says "no" to Vita success, apparently.

 

[Father_Brain]

Sony expects to sell ten million Vitas this year.

They did not show a single. fucking. thing. that would sell 9 million Vitas in the next 365 days.

They are inflating expectations of something they have no intention of supporting.

Considering current sales (around 200K worldwide in April, probably the same or less last month) and the lack of genuine system-selling software announcements, they may not even reach a third of that by the end of next March.