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So, are the Sydney games still the best ever or has the torch been passed to Britain?

The most recent games are always the "best games ever". No one has lived to see them all, so no one can actually say with any sort of equal view which games were the best. Also, "best" is colored by many things for each person.

I'm Canadian, so of course my bias is to say Vancouver 2010 (home Olympics and a great performance from our national team). I'm sure UK GAF is feeling the same way.
 
Gaf I can't decide, who was the worst musical performance of the ceremonies?

As a Brit, I was disappointed by the musical acts that were chosen.

Arctic Monkeys, Sir Paul Mac, George Michael were all pretty bad I thought.

Such a pity Adele couldn't perform.
 
I was hoping for some sort of Genesis and/or Pink Floyd stint....then they killed 2 birds with 1 stone....sorta

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FUCK.

As well as Nick Mason of Pink Floyd, I think the band playing Wish You Were Here included Mike Rutherford of Genesis. Also, a bloke who I think is from The Feeling.
 
Shall be interesting to see if GB's strength and Australia's under performance these games translates into a reversal of recent results in the upcoming Commonwealth Games.

Obviously not competing as Great Britain would impact the result. Any GBers want to estimate how much England contributes toward the GB 2012 total?

It won't be as good because our cycling and rowing teams are going to split which means less chance for medals and it opens the door for Australia.
 
Gaf I can't decide, who was the worst musical performance of the ceremonies?

As a Brit, I was disappointed by the musical acts that were chosen.

Arctic Monkeys, Sir Paul Mac, George Michael were all pretty bad I thought.

Such a pity Adele couldn't perform.
I was thinking the same about Adele.

Hometown Glory would have been absolutely epic.
 
It won't be as good because our cycling and rowing teams are going to split which means less chance for medals and it opens the door for Australia.
The GB cycling team has been on record as saying that they specifically train for the Olympics and peak during the competition, so no we're unlikely to get the same results at the commonwealth games as we did in London.
 
It won't be as good because our cycling and rowing teams are going to split which means less chance for medals and it opens the door for Australia.

True. England didn't win any gold in cycling in 2010, so I suspect they'll improve there (maybe not reading the above lol).

Don't think rowing is even at the comm games.
 
I seem to think the "Best Games Ever" is short sighted.

People usually only remember 3 Olympics deep, it seems like.
 
True. England didn't win any gold in cycling in 2010, so I suspect they'll improve there (maybe not reading the above lol).

I have no idea who you are, but I feel compelled to send you a Denver Broncos hat.
 
I seem to think the "Best Games Ever" is short sighted.

People usually only remember 3 Olympics deep, it seems like.

Pretty much. Shit, I can only remember watching the Olympics since Barcelona 1992/Albertville 1992, so thats like..... 12 Olympic games I've seen. 12 out of 51.

Albertville 1992
Lillehammer 1994
Nagano 1998
Salt Lake City 2002
Turin 2006
Vancouver 2010

Barcelona 1992
Atlanta 1996
Sydney 2000
Athens 2004
Beijing 2008
London 2012
 
Pretty much. Shit, I can only remember watching the Olympics since Barcelona 1992/Albertville 1992, so thats like..... 12 Olympic games I've seen. 12 out of 51.

Albertville 1992
Lillehammer 1994
Nagano 1998
Salt Lake City 2002
Turin 2006
Vancouver 2010

Barcelona 1992
Atlanta 1996
Sydney 2000
Athens 2004
Beijing 2008
London 2012

For what it's worth, the IOC president himself declared Lillehammer 1994 the best Winter Olympic Games ever.
 

Personally, I don't think the Olympics are better because sports like basketball, tennis and soccer are in it. In fact, I would argue it's worse because they hog the limelight from other sports where the Olympic medal is the ultimate reward.


For what it's worth, the IOC president himself declared Lillehammer 1994 the best Winter Olympic Games ever.


Must have had a threesome with some Norwegian beauties.

That's how I judge my vacations.
 
She actually went thru hell just to compete in the shot put final after some clowns at the NZOC didn't fill out the paperwork correctly and her name was left off the entry list. It's such a big deal back home the Minister for Sport has gotten involved, but now Valerie Adams has the gold medal people will be able to relax a bit.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympi...31/Sports-minister-joins-in-the-Val-Gate-fray

The Russian girl who now gets silver must be the prettiest shot putter I've ever seen. Happy for her, too, and whoever now gets the bronze.

Bit of a stupid media beat-up I think. Worth criticising but the reality is, the cheater threw over Val's PR anyway. The beat-up would've been better served on NZOC's far bigger fuck up (Jacko Gill).

Anyway, happy for Val even though her spotlight was taken.
 
British discus thrower Brett Morse has told his Twitter followers he had been "stupid and immature" after accusing Belarusian women's shot put gold medallist Nadzeya Ostapchuk of doping.

Morse made the claim on Monday after he failed to qualify for the Olympics discus final and also tweeted: "I've had a bad day but it could be worse, I could look like Ostaptchuk [sic]."

4 days ago :lol
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Unless I'm forgetting something, Eric Idle was the highlight of the opening ceremony for me.

For what it's worth, the IOC president himself declared Lillehammer 1994 the best Winter Olympic Games ever.

And Norway dominated and collected a big pile of medals for such a tiny country. The host Norwegians led the overall medal count with 26, and were second in gold medals with 10. Russia, in its first Winter Olympics competing as a separate nation, led in gold medals with 11, and was third in overall medals with 23. T
 
I've been listening to the music of the opening ceremony again. Underworld's stuff was amazzing. The industrial revolution track is simply epic (with that beautiful 'pause' for the world wars) and the track for the torch/cauldron, Caliban's Dream, is beautiful.
 
Yep your correct, I also thought the ode to Only Fools and Horses was pretty good as well.

And I never want to see Jessie J ever again in any major event in the UK. Where was Tom Jones though?

What about Elton John? I know he was ill or something for a little bit there so maybe not show up...But no music or reference at all? Did he do something controversial lately?
 
Even the Aussie press is saying London was the best games ever

Peter Wilson - The Australian said:
Even this Aussie must concede that Great Britain has just taken gold in Olympic hosting

This is not an easy thing for an Australian to write. But it is now clear that the Brits have gone farther than merely thrashing Australia on the medals table. As awful as it is to admit, London has knocked Sydney off its pedestal as the best host of a modern Olympic Games.

London 2012 was bigger, slicker, almost as friendly, nearly as much fun, and certainly more thoughtfully planned than Sydney in terms of the legacy it will leave the host city. Having first reported on the Olympics’ impact on a host city while watching much of Seoul being bulldozed in mid-1980s, I have watched London organisers learn from the mistakes and triumphs of Sydney — which they cite as their greatest influence — to produce an even more impressive Olympiad.

One simple indication of the success of the past two weeks is the surprise among ordinary Londoners and people close to the Games that, after all those doubts, they had pulled it off so well. It is a not a sense of “We told you so”, more one of “My God, we actually did it!”. That is exactly the same feeling that was in the air on closing day in Sydney in 2000, when Australians were a little shocked to realise that we were as good as anybody in the world at playing host, and better than anyone at making the whole thing fun.

We always knew that London had the wealth and government support to make the Games happen but along with the obvious dangers posed by the weather, security threats and a creaking transport system there was a sneaking worry that the whole thing would be uptight and just a touch joyless, à la Beijing and Athens. Those fears took a hit from that unusually honest and witty opening ceremony, when Danny Boyle celebrated Britain as the free, messy, open and diverse society it is. And when the British athletes provided the home success that is needed to really set an Olympics alight, the winners gave flesh to that diversity.

Yes, there were a few too many products of private schools for comfort but alongside them were migrants and battlers, black and brown, including Jessica Ennis, the nearest that London had to Sydney’s fairytale heroine, Cathy Freeman.

Britain’s openness to people, trade and ideas also ensured that London did a better job than any other host city in using foreign talent to stage the Games. The biggest source of that talent was, ahem, Australia. Sydney veterans helped to design the stadium, run the Olympic Development Authority, staff LOCOG, organise the city’s outdoor events and manage nine of the Games venues, while even the Transport for London director handling the Olympics was another Aussie.

It seems obvious that instead of reinventing the wheel every four years host cities should bring in people who have done it before. But after Sydney set a new benchmark for excellence, Athens resisted that idea and Beijing sought advice but was never going to give key positions to foreigners. The Brits brought in Australians by the plane load and now the hosts have gained the skills and reputation to challenge them for lucrative contracts at Rio 2016 and other major events.

Foreign athletes helped out by making history, but Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps were less important than the spectators and volunteers who were the real key to London 2012. Like the people of Sydney, and unlike those in Beijing, Athens, Seoul and even Atlanta and Barcelona, the Brits were genuinely excited to attend the most obscure sports and to cheer athletes from any country.
London’s volunteers take silver, narrowly, behind Sydney’s. They had a cultural disadvantage in that Australians find it much easier to talk to strangers. But by week two everyone warmed up and police officers could be seen doing Usain Bolt poses for tourist photos.

London had the best in-stadium entertainment between events and the BBC provided the most comprehensive, intelligent broadcast coverage in Olympic history. Even the G4S security fiasco turned out to be a problem only for its shareholders; the troops drafted in were better-trained and more motivated than any contractors in the world.

Things were not perfect, of course. One problem was the sight of seats left empty by “members of the Olympic family”. The shortage of tickets was not, of itself, a disaster as it showed a voracious appetite for the Games, but it became a problem when seats were left unused. Surely there should have been a system for filling those seats at the last minute.

If we want to nitpick, London 2012 failed to keep some of the promises on the environment and public participation in sport that helped it to win the IOC vote back in 2005. David Cameron’s hype about the economic benefits is largely hot air, as were the claims that the Games would fight obesity, fix school sport, increase volunteering, create jobs in East London, give hope to a young generation and, quite literally if only briefly, bring world peace. A two-week sporting party cannot do all that.

But what London 2012 certainly can do is to leave a physical and social legacy in East London. The legacies of Seoul and Beijing were always about politics and diplomacy, while the Atlanta Games did not even try to make any lasting improvements to the city and Athens ended up with a new subway and airport but too many debts and white elephant stadiums.

The regeneration of Sydney’s Olympic park lost momentum and took several years to recover, something London is determined to avoid by opening part of its park soon after the Paralympics. Barcelona retains the gold for using the investment of the 1992 Games to transform itself, but London’s brilliant resurrection of East London tips the scale against Sydney.

When you put it all together, the fun and the legacy, the logistics and the inspiration, the result is undeniable. It is, I’m afraid to say, bronze for Barcelona, silver for Sydney, and gold for London.

Peter Wilson is the Europe correspondent of The Australian. He has reported on the Olympics in Seoul, Barcelona, Atlanta, Sydney, Athens and London
 
I seem to think the "Best Games Ever" is short sighted.

People usually only remember 3 Olympics deep, it seems like.

1980 and 1984, I was too young to really appreciate. The first Olympics I was really aware of was Seoul, and I recall (I hope I've got this right!) Adrian Moorhouse's gold from that one. Barcelona was when I started to pick up on the pomp and ceremony, with that *awesome* Freddie Mercury / Montserrat Cabale track underpinning the Olympics; in terms of performance, the only one that particularly springs to mind was Chris Boardman's. The first Olympics I paid *proper* attention to would have been Atlanta's, but our poor performance - combined with enduring NBC's coverage for the latter half of it thanks to it colliding with our summer holidays! - tainted it somewhat. I found more to cheer on in the performances of Michelle de Bruin than our directly homegrown athletes, and that story took a distinctly unpleasant turn further down the line. Oh, and I recall the *very* funky version of Tara's Theme that the BBC used for their coverage.

Athens had highs and lows. There were some notable performances: Matthew Pinsent's final gold, Kelly Holmes' double, Emms and Robertson getting a fine silver in the badminton, Paula Radcliffe crashing and burning... uh, figuratively. Interestingly for that Olympics I remember the performances, not really the Olympics as a whole; other than the medal bearers being dressed as temple priestesses, I remember rather little of the Olympics itself. Beijing was spectacular, as we all know; I *love* gorgeous buildings, and a lot of Beijing was down to some stunning venues. Timezones were a significant problem, however, once again, and because I was employed by now I couldn't really stay up all night to watch it! Our national performance left me extremely proud, though; I think I still have a copy of the recording on my PC from the BBC of Rebecca Adlington's win and subsequent excitement and hugging of Sharron Davies! That said, the fact that we couldn't quite roll over to 20 gold medals did annoy me somewhat (which should highlight how much this performance, great as it was, niggles at me too!). Athletics was a disappointment, Christine Ohuruogu aside (I had special cheers for her in the stadium!); now it looks like it's swimming's turn.

I've missed one out, with good reason. Sydney was a revelation, simply put. It coincided with my time at university, so I had the free time to actually enjoy it despite the inconvenient timezones. And enjoy it I did. It helps immensely that it started to show the first signs of the results of the lottery funding, with a medal haul that completely *dwarfed* our Atlanta results. I remember clearly getting up after the first day of competition and finding out that we'd won a gold medal. "What, already?" was my response. That was the first sign that cycling was coming together for us! It was a performance the likes of which I'd never really been aware that we - as a country, after Atlanta - were capable of, right up to cheering on Steph Cook for that final gold in the Modern Pentathlon (Am I right in recalling that Kate Allenby was actually our better medal chance going into that event? Somewhat akin to Sam Murray / Mhairi Spence this time around!).

That's underpinning all this, but I was also starting to become aware of the workings of the Olympics; the pomp, the ceremony, the soul. And, indeed, the significant moments. I recall how notable Cathy Freeman's involvement was, and how they did a swerve in the opening ceremony by having her do both the first leg in the stadium *and* the final leg, 'setting fire' to that pool of water and having the cauldron rise up around her. I recall Dare To Dream and The Flame, and I still have a soft spot for both those songs. I recall the closing ceremony being one hell of a party with - among others - "Land Down Under" *rocking* the stadium.

The people of Sydney - and indeed, of Australia - should have been immensely proud of what they achieved in those two weeks, and I fervently hope beyond hope that London's will have had the same effect. I'm not qualified to talk about whether London is better - I am, after all, *horribly* biased - but I am qualified to say that Sydney is the archetype I dreamed that we could have lived up to.
 
WOW, anyone else catch the French newspapers on BBC News? They were doing a round up of world-wide reactions to the Games. France was the only country with almost nothing good to say. And holy crap those were some large sour grapes.

Without fail, every French newspaper gave near zero praise, called us repeat cheaters being favoured by judges, complained about being 'forced' to celebrate the Uganda medal during the closing ceremony, accused the BBC of excessive flag waving (LOL), British arrogance (that's rich...) and topped it off by reminding us that Britain now goes back to severe economic and racial issues (because, you know, France doesn't have any of those...).

One even suggested Bolt should have changed his nationality to British so he wouldn't have to worry about false starts.

I don't mind critique and banter, but this was basically 100% negative - looks like Kurtofan is an accurate cross-sampling of the French attitude towards the British....

If you want to hear the bile for yourself, go to 15:16 on the BBC News iPlayer stream.
 
Sounds like the alternative closing ceremony in Hyde Park was better than the proper one!

Blur were incredible, played for over 2 hours and Damon wasn't smashed this time like the Brit Awards which helped! The Specials were great, New Order did a tribute to Joy Division as their last song, and Bombay Bicycle Club were perfect to get things going at the start.

Awesome atmosphere all day.
 
WOW, anyone else catch the French newspapers on BBC News? They were doing a round up of world-wide reactions to the Games. France was the only country with almost nothing good to say. And holy crap those were some large sour grapes.

Without fail, every French newspaper gave near zero praise, called us repeat cheaters being favoured by judges, complained about being 'forced' to celebrate the Uganda medal during the closing ceremony, accused the BBC of excessive flag waving (LOL), British arrogance (that's rich...) and topped it off by reminding us that Britain now goes back to severe economic and racial issues (because, you know, France doesn't have any of those...).

One even suggested Bolt should have changed his nationality to British so he wouldn't have to worry about false starts.

I don't mind critique and banter, but this was basically 100% negative - looks like Kurtofan is an accurate cross-sampling of the French attitude towards the British....

If you want to hear the bile for yourself, go to 15:16 on the BBC News iPlayer stream.

Does not surprise me in the least, at least with the Aussies it's harmless banter, the french have serious issues with us, they've been salty from when we got the games all the way to the end, can't help it we've always been one step ahead/better than them! Let them stomp their feet though, just like everyone ignored Kurt here, the world will ignore them too :-P
 
WOW, anyone else catch the French newspapers on BBC News? They were doing a round up of world-wide reactions to the Games. France was the only country with almost nothing good to say. And holy crap those were some large sour grapes.

Suddenly I'm less enthused about going to an Olympics in Paris.

Y'know, when they finally win a bid.
 
WOW, anyone else catch the French newspapers on BBC News? They were doing a round up of world-wide reactions to the Games. France was the only country with almost nothing good to say. And holy crap those were some large sour grapes.

Without fail, every French newspaper gave near zero praise, called us repeat cheaters being favoured by judges, complained about being 'forced' to celebrate the Uganda medal during the closing ceremony, accused the BBC of excessive flag waving (LOL), British arrogance (that's rich...) and topped it off by reminding us that Britain now goes back to severe economic and racial issues (because, you know, France doesn't have any of those...).

One even suggested Bolt should have changed his nationality to British so he wouldn't have to worry about false starts.
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WOW, anyone else catch the French newspapers on BBC News? They were doing a round up of world-wide reactions to the Games. France was the only country with almost nothing good to say. And holy crap those were some large sour grapes.

Without fail, every French newspaper gave near zero praise, called us repeat cheaters being favoured by judges, complained about being 'forced' to celebrate the Uganda medal during the closing ceremony, accused the BBC of excessive flag waving (LOL), British arrogance (that's rich...) and topped it off by reminding us that Britain now goes back to severe economic and racial issues (because, you know, France doesn't have any of those...).

One even suggested Bolt should have changed his nationality to British so he wouldn't have to worry about false starts.

I don't mind critique and banter, but this was basically 100% negative - looks like Kurtofan is an accurate cross-sampling of the French attitude towards the British....

If you want to hear the bile for yourself, go to 15:16 on the BBC News iPlayer stream.
Not surprised in the slightest.

Also given the Greek origins of the games I still think it's a joke French is the official language.
 
Look about the being favoured by the judges, I just want to point out three cases:

-The two rowers who had some sort of technical problem which lead to restart the race, they fixed it very quickly with a simple screwdriver.

-Hindes crashing on purpose in track cycling(He admitted it and then they said he didn't mean because he doesn't speak English well)

-Daley getting another dive because of flashes.

Call me sour grapes or whatever, those are three cases that are suspicious, I don't care if the athletes in question are British, Chinese, Uzbek or Ethiopian.

Whatever it's the Two Minutes of Hate towards the French right now, to avoid talking about important problems after the Olympics.


Not surprised in the slightest.

Also given the Greek origins of the games I still think it's a joke French is the official language.
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