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Jelly Bean looks very nice.. But look of the OS isn't really why I'm switching from Android to iOS. Main reason is not even speed of the OS as Jelly Bean is very fast on the new phones. It's more about lack of support by the device manufacturers, as well as the apps put on Android tend to be an afterthought after the iPhone brethren. I'm ready to have the best version of every app, and to have access to some of the games I've missed.

Yeah, that was my point. Apps tend to be developed for iOS then ported to Android (if they're even ported) and almost never the other way around. For me, it's pretty much the most important factor when choosing an ecosystem- the phone that comes with that ecosystem has now become secondary, as hardware is almost interchangeable and its the software that makes the biggest difference. I'm also so invested in the appstore,and rely on iCloud, iMessage, have alot of people who face time me, and also heavily use a Macbook Air and an iPad (that all sync seamlessly) etc and that all adds to it. I got spoiled by the fact that I can respond to a large portion from my text messages from anywhere I want, phone, tablet, or mac. Nothing beats simply responding to a text with a laptop keyboard while working, instead of constantly picking up the phone and fiddling with the virtual keyboard, same with the tablet, or responding to a facetime call from any device.Using a non-iPhone for the past few weeks has reminded me how much I miss these things and how important they are to me. Which is why I don't need the next iPhone to be 'revolutionary', just to be an even better iPhone, which it will.
 
I'm also so invested in the appstore,and rely on iCloud, iMessage, have alot of people who face time me, and also heavily use a Macbook Air and an iPad (that all sync seamlessly) etc and that all adds to it. I got spoiled by the fact that I can respond to a large portion from my text messages from anywhere I want, phone, tablet, or mac. Nothing beats simply responding to a text with a laptop keyboard while working, instead of constantly picking up the phone and fiddling with the virtual keyboard, same with the tablet, or responding to a facetime call from any device.
Do you know if the new phone no ID in iOS6 enables all messages to be synced and responded to on macs and ipads?
 
You're excited About your new shiny thing, not really fair to base impressions of 5 yrs vs one month. I did the same thing as you, several times. I eventually came back each time, because of various issues usually related to sub par hardware and software, but mostly because of the disappointing app situation. Got frustrated every time I found out a cool app I heard about and wanted was ios exclusive. iOS is like that friend that's kinda boring and not so fun at parties, but who is ultra reliable, loyal, ad u can count on at the end of the day.

Oh, I don't agree Android in any way looks better than iOS.

Not at all. I don't do product loyalty, I go with what product is the best fit for me. That was apple for the last few cycles. I don't need a plethora of apps I'll only use once or twice. Everything I need I've been able to find on the Play store. I'm on the go too much for novelty.

I find it kind of strange how you're kinda writing off anyone who's had their fill of iOS in it's current state as simply needing a break from the monotony. It's borderline flag waving. I'm very interested to see what apple will offer but without it being a significant change to the OS (which I can't see happening) I doubt I switch back anytime soon.

Anyway, I don't want to derail discussion about another product and come off as trolling or fanboyism, whatever it's called these days. I do hope apple innovates a bit more on the software end and open what developers can do without jailbreaking as the build quality, asthetics of the hardware and technology inside is awesome.
 
I'm specifically referring to the eyesore that is the home screen. I have to admit that after so many years of using iOS I'm fatigued of it, but there's no excuse for having icons all over the wallpaper like that after 5 years.

The entire OS is built around apps though, that's kind of the point. I don't think widgets add anything to the experience and that kind of quick information can be relegated to the Notification Panel
 
SO. T-Mobile might not be getting the iPhone.

They're rolling out an unlocked iPhone plan where you're supposed to save $1200 over the life of the contract compared to AT&T. And they're rolling out apps for services like visual voicemail:



Today’s announcement is a big one for T-Mobile and will be accompanied by a large marketing push. T-Mobile claims (and the math seems to work out) that it will save users $50/month over similar AT&T plans. That’s $1200 over the life of a 2-year contract.

T-Mobile will have a store within a store for iPhone users that want to make the hop. Trained T-Mobile salespeople will be able to instruct users on unlocking but won’t physically help. This is a unprecedented move, especially for a device T-Mobile doesn’t officially carry.

T-Mobile has some more good news for prospective iPhone customers today: Remember that 1900MHz network that it demo’ed at WWDC? That same 1900MHz network is rolling out in Seattle, Las Vegas, Washington, DC and the New York metro area currently (readers? sightings?).

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But the best part might be the company behind the network. T-Mobile allows its customers to make and receive calls when there is no network on their smartphones. The iPhone is no exception. T-Mobile has the Bobsled app for iPhone for making calls. This is fantastic not only when in low service areas but also when travelling abroad. T-Mobile will be releasing other apps soon for things like live TV, account management and visual voicemail.

We’re also developing iOS versions of helpful T-Mobile applications like T-Mobile myAccount, T-MobileVisual Voicemail and T-Mobile TV (we already offer an iOS version of our popular Bobsled application).

http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/10/t-mob...ng-your-unlocked-iphone-and-save-1200-vs-att/

Oh, and looks like Marco Arment is having Instapaper block sites that he doesn't like, like 9to5mac.
 
The entire OS is built around apps though, that's kind of the point. I don't think widgets add anything to the experience and that kind of quick information can be relegated to the Notification Panel

I switched to android a few weeks ago, excited for the nice stylized home screen with widgets. A week later, my home screen is a wall of apps.
 
I switched to android a few weeks ago, excited for the nice stylized home screen with widgets. A week later, my home screen is a wall of apps.

lol. don't know what you were expecting. 90% of widgets are garbage except the 5 day weather forecast and calendar ones.
 
The entire OS is built around apps though, that's kind of the point. I don't think widgets add anything to the experience and that kind of quick information can be relegated to the Notification Panel

I don't use those kind of widgets. They clutter the screen and are ugly IMO. my homescreen is clean with icons for phone, contacts, app drawer and chrome at the bottom as it should be.


The "widgets" used are a simple text battery percentage and one that displays in the time in text form. Minimalism is always ideal.
 
SO. T-Mobile might not be getting the iPhone.

They're rolling out an unlocked iPhone plan we're you're supposed to save $1200 over the life of the contract compared to AT&T. And they're rolling out apps for services like visual voicemail:

Poor T-Mo, they want it so bad.
 
Bro, I said it had a lot of added features- a feature is a feature, regardless if it's relevant to my interest or not. Is that he we're defining features now? They don't count, less they're "relevant" to the specific interests of everyone in the world? There's 'features' and 'actual features'? Wow. To is what I mean when I say entitlement and skewed perspective. My point was ios6 has more added features than the OS updates on competing platforms, whether they're "relevant" to your interests is really irrelevant when making that statement or defining that metric. Adding 1000 features that you don't care about doesn't mean they added nothing.
That part of the post was actually more directed at how I see you shrug off the features and overall packages of other smartphones on this board over the years when I see your posts despite your constant mentioning of switching to other OSs. If a feature is a feature, there's a very large amount of new things added in Jelly Bean all over the place on both the user experience and low level implementations like audio latency that's finally on par with an iPhone.

It's fine that iOS works perfectly for you, it's just weird to see you entering android and windows phone threads to berate users that dislike Apple products for one reason or another. At least that's how your posts come off to me over the years I've lurked and been a member.


Regarding the T-Mo stuff above, I can't believe so many iPhone users exist on that network that are stuck with EDGE. This is great news for those people. Judging by how much the iPhone deal cost sprint, I don't know how financially viable it would be for them to get the 5.
 
I switched to android a few weeks ago, excited for the nice stylized home screen with widgets. A week later, my home screen is a wall of apps.

I've used several Android phones extensively, and there isn't a single widget that I've tried that lasted more than a couple days. They just don't make sense, and not worth the constant battery drain, cpu cycles, sluggishness, etc. They're a bullet point feature that I doubt anyone actually find useful, but love to use it as something to attack iOS with. Who the hell needs the weather ALWAYS DISPLAYED on their homescreen? And pretty much all widgets open the actual app if you want to take any sort of action on the information, ie. email inbox. How is this better than sliding down notification center to see recent emails? I have yet to see a real, non-niche functional use for widgets for the vast majority of people.
 
That part of the post was actually more directed at how I see you shrug off the features and overall packages of other smartphones on this board over the years when I see your posts despite your constant mentioning of switching to other OSs. If a feature is a feature, there's a very large amount of new things added in Jelly Bean all over the place on both the user experience and low level implementations like audio latency that's finally on par with an iPhone.

It's fine that iOS works perfectly for you, it's just weird to see you entering android and windows phone threads to berate users that dislike Apple products for one reason or another. At least that's how your posts come off to me over the years I've lurked and been a member.

The guy seems to froth at the mouth anytime someone disagrees with an Apple decision. iOS user or not.

Personally I think iOS 6 is a pretty crappy update for a new version release. I don't think it adds a single useful feature to my iPad. In fact, I LOSE features because Google Maps street view and the YouTube app are things I use constantly.
 
I got spoiled by the fact that I can respond to a large portion from my text messages from anywhere I want, phone, tablet, or mac. Nothing beats simply responding to a text with a laptop keyboard while working, instead of constantly picking up the phone and fiddling with the virtual keyboard
Your other points still stand, but did you know Android users can do this with ALL text messages?
 
I've used several Android phones extensively, and there isn't a single widget that I've tried that lasted more than a couple days. They just don't make sense, and not worth the constant battery drain, cpu cycles, sluggishness, etc. They're a bullet point feature that I doubt anyone actually find useful, but love to use it as something to attack iOS with. Who the hell needs the weather ALWAYS DISPLAYED on their homescreen? And pretty much all widgets open the actual app if you want to take any sort of action on the information, ie. email inbox. How is this better than sliding down notification center to see recent emails? I have yet to see a real, non-niche functional use for widgets for the vast majority of people.

On one screen over, I have the calendar, as it's pretty convenient to have a full calender there. The only other widget, is a little Persona 4 battle portrait telling me how much battery I have left instead of HP because I can't set the damn thing to tell me battery percentage in the menu. One more screen I have the controls for brightness, wi-fi, bluetooth, etc. That's something I hope iOS picks up on. Bluetooth and brightness are hidden way too deep in the settings for the times I needed them quickly. I liked the idea for "mission control" that video a few pages back had.
 
Yeah I currently own a GNex and the only widgets actually worth using are twitter and possibly the Flipboard widget. Still completely unnecessary and further ruins the already terrible battery life on this crap phone.

Integrating a system where you can add widgets to the drop down notification menu that refreshes only when pulled down is the best way to go imo.

My firm is actually receiving a set of the new iPhones tomorrow before the unveiling so I'm hyped for that. Already signed the non disclosure agreement and everything :D
 
Yeah I currently own a GNex and the only widgets actually worth using are twitter and possibly the Flipboard widget. Still completely unnecessary and further ruins the already terrible battery life on this crap phone.

Integrating a system where you can add widgets to the drop down notification menu that refreshes only when pulled down is the best way to go imo.

My firm is actually receiving a set of the new iPhones tomorrow before the unveiling so I'm hyped for that. Already signed the non disclosure agreement and everything :D

Uh...
 
On one screen over, I have the calendar, as it's pretty convenient to have a full calender there. The only other widget, is a little Persona 4 battle portrait telling me how much battery I have left instead of HP because I can't set the damn thing to tell me battery percentage in the menu. One more screen I have the controls for brightness, wi-fi, bluetooth, etc. That's something I hope iOS picks up on. Bluetooth and brightness are hidden way too deep in the settings for the times I needed them quickly. I liked the idea for "mission control" that video a few pages back had.

Apple should copy the cydia app NCsettings and add it to the next ios release - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa2Vo2SqGbY

It's simple, elegant and works really well. It's easily one of my favourite jailbreak apps.
 
The entire OS is built around apps though, that's kind of the point. I don't think widgets add anything to the experience and that kind of quick information can be relegated to the Notification Panel

Not when it comes to choosing your default browser or sharing media via a plethora of apps.
 
What does your company do that allows you to get the phones before the unveiling?

I'd rather not say just in case the crazies do somehow track me down but don't worry, maybe you guys will get a classic blurry pic teaser or two before the day is over.
 
Your other points still stand, but did you know Android users can do this with ALL text messages?

I'm assuming you're referring to Google Talk, which I'm aware of, but it also works in a completely different way. You're saying if someone sends a text specifically to my phone number, it will show up in a google talk client on my PC? Or on my tablet? No, I don't think thats the case. They need to send it to an email. iOS intelligently sends it either as a normal text or an iMessage depending on whats on the other end.
 
I'd rather not say just in case the crazies do somehow track me down but don't worry, maybe you guys will get a classic blurry pic teaser or two before the day is over.
Does it have a charcoal back or not, you can tell us that much
I'm assuming you're referring to Google Talk, which I'm aware of, but it also works in a completely different way. You're saying if someone sends a text specifically to my phone number, it will show up in a google talk client on my PC? Or on my tablet? No, I don't think thats the case. They need to send it to an email. iOS intelligently sends it either as a normal text or an iMessage depending on whats on the other end.
doesnt sound like you've extensively used Android phones...
 
So, any news on the iPad Mini? Is it pretty much a sure bet now?

And there's two voxpop's now?
 
I caved in and got myself a Galaxy S III on the weekend. The urges...
Try your best to at least use it for about a week without going back or looking at other phones (gonna be impossible after Wednesday tho :P )

It's the only way to really get a feel if the device will work for your needs or not in my opinion. Anything less than that isn't much more than just browsing the device.
 
Does it have a charcoal back or not, you can tell us that much

doesnt sound like you've extensively used Android phones...

My current phone is an Android phone (true story). I just tried it now with a friend who also has an Android. The text was sent as a text, and I got the reply as a text only. I have gmail chat open, as well as Google+ on my iPad, and I got nothing. I've never, ever seen a text message show up in any google chat client.
 
I don't have it yet. Should be arriving sometime tomorrow.

Will you guys be allowed to use them tomorrow? Or do you need to wait till official unveil? If it's the former, I'm sure there's gonna be major leaks, since I doubt your company is the only one receiving them.
 
My current phone is an Android phone. I just tried it now with a friend who also has an Android. The text was sent as a text, and I got the reply as a text only. I have gmail chat open, as well as Google+ on my iPad, and I got nothing. I've never, ever seen a text message show up in any google chat client.
I could be mistaken but judging by the mention of a text, he might have been talking about Google Voice.

Google needs to consolidate all their message services together into something more reliable than google talk, and hopefully something iOS users can use too since they killed the gtalk web app. I just wish iMessage was usable outside the apple ecosystem, it's convenient.

Vox, you gotta come up with a sneaky and clever way to tell us the color of the back.
 
Need to upgrade my shit ass ATT/3GS.

Gimme the goods Apple, gimme the goods. Just in time for my birthday later this month too!

Question: will the new iPhone be readily available at Verizon and other such carriers' stores shortly after announcement? How hard will it be to actually get one?
 
My current phone is an Android phone. I just tried it now with a friend who also has an Android. The text was sent as a text, and I got the reply as a text only. I have gmail chat open, as well as Google+ on my iPad, and I got nothing. I've never, ever seen a text message show up in any google chat client.
They're obviously talking about getting a new unique Google number to give to all your friends, or switching carriers to Sprint to make your number and the Google number one and the same.
 
SO. T-Mobile might not be getting the iPhone.

They're rolling out an unlocked iPhone plan where you're supposed to save $1200 over the life of the contract compared to AT&T. And they're rolling out apps for services like visual voicemail:





http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/10/t-mob...ng-your-unlocked-iphone-and-save-1200-vs-att/

Oh, and looks like Marco Arment is having Instapaper block sites that he doesn't like, like 9to5mac.

FFS

T-mobile not getting it means Wind is not getting it

This is not helping the Canadian telco situation at all.
 
I'm assuming you're referring to Google Talk, which I'm aware of, but it also works in a completely different way. You're saying if someone sends a text specifically to my phone number, it will show up in a google talk client on my PC? Or on my tablet? No, I don't think thats the case. They need to send it to an email. iOS intelligently sends it either as a normal text or an iMessage depending on whats on the other end.

I could be mistaken but judging by the mention of a text, he might have been talking about Google Voice.

Google needs to consolidate all their message services together into something more reliable than google talk, and hopefully something iOS users can use too since they killed the gtalk web app. I just wish iMessage was usable outside the apple ecosystem, it's convenient.

Vox, you gotta come up with a sneaky and clever way to tell us the color of the back.

They're obviously talking about getting a new unique Google number to give to all your friends, or switching carriers to Sprint to make your number and the Google number one and the same.
No, no and no.

There are apps that use things like Chrome extensions on your computer that let you send and see received text messages from your normal phone number. No special service with a specific ID, your normal number you've always used.
 
SO. T-Mobile might not be getting the iPhone.

The real question is will the iPhone 5 support the 1700Mhz AWS band that's most of T-mobile's network. The hardware inside the phone can support it, but will Apple support it in their OS?
If not, you'll be getting EDGE speeds outside of a handful areas on your iPhone on T-mobile, which is not acceptable.
 
No, no and no.

There are apps that use things like Chrome extensions on your computer that let you send and see received text messages from your normal phone number. No special service with a specific ID, your normal number you've always used.
How prevalent is this? What apps? So it's some third party app that's always running on your phone and computer, sending your messages to their servers which then send it back to your phone/computer?
 
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