User 73932
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are the uncomfortable?
Halo |OT10| The Calm Before The Storm
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And you're ignoring the part where they DID do proper testing. You have the benefit of viewing a map with the hindsight of how it ended up working for matchmaking.
Me.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
It's more I have zero interest in buying nasty ass food/drink products
How can you say they "did proper testing" when the map was completely broken right from the start?
I could have told you there was a problem without ever playing the map if I knew how the section operated. "Here's this area with four entrances. Each entrance throws you way up in the air in low gravity like a spartan pinata and lets anyone in the area know you are coming with a loud noise a couple seconds before you appear. You can stay in the area indefinitely and can't be shot from anywhere else on the map." You don't even need to test that to know its is not going to work well.
Me.
As i said earlier, i don't get what's the fuss about Gamefuel.
If the system is like COD's DXP is irrelevant. If it is like Reach's, DXP is irrelevant (for it is slow even with DXP).
YourExWife
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Flawed reasoning. Assume both players are good with both weapons. Then it comes down to kill times (not including kills at range, where there is a legitimate argument towards one or the other). At that point it comes down to whether or not you want the best chance to win the gunfight. That's the argument at hand, not whether somebody who has trouble aiming will have a better chance or not.
See, I honestly don't get how people have a problem with posts like this. There are some things that are just so frickin' simple after 10 years when it comes down to how to play Halo or FPSes in general. How are these same mistakes and oversights always occuring on a regular basis in the name of "creativity" or "dynamic play"? After 1 or 2 matches, no one gives a crap and are just trying to figure out the most efficient and best way to win.
More companies should take the approach Blizzard takes to SC2 - They pay attention to how the *best* people play their game and make changes/patches/decisions on those scenarios. And guess what? People who suck at the game or those that just want to mess around still have a great time, except without detriment to those who prefer to "tryhard" when they play games.
Blue Ninja
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Huh, I just noticed the price of the LE got hiked by almost €20 here. But I already paid the full €75 (at the time) for mine, these fuckers had better stick to their pricing.
AllIsOneIsNone
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Ha, no thanks. And I honestly don't really care that much, I'm guilty of it as well, but it can muddy the shit out of things to the point where people can seemingly be talking about 2 completely different things to each other when they're really trying to say the same thing, or vice versa. It definitely makes for some popcorn.gif.
People have begun to max out their double xp games? Holy poo. Holy, constipated, poo.
HiredN00bs
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ITT: Bitter condemnation of a game from players that have never played it.
And we're done here.
Meanwhile, this week featured massive drama as various pros declared that Starcraft 2 was dead. (I guess in the wake of League of Legends or DotA?)
Games, man. Serious business.
I will really want to know the answer to this question.
Me. Regardless it isn't available in NZ. :/ Wouldn't have minded getting a few packs of the Halo 4 Doritos though.
The AX's? They are pretty stinking big so my ears fit very comfortably, that being said, after a couple hours (2 or 3) of solid gaming they do fatigue them a little bit. Not uncomfortable on my head, though, at all.
Indeed. Forcing players to use a certain weapon to have an even chance is not fun, it goes against Halo 4 design philosophy even, as i've understood it.
Not true. That game's multiplayer is a lifeless shell, the units are boring and the maps are all the same, highground bases and low expansions...
Don't mind me, i just had high expectations for SC2's MP (pretty much a newcomer to SC multiplayer) but i found it incredibly boring. Boring because commanding my army wasn't fun.
nillapuddin
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To my never ending shame and likely never ending mockery of my wife, I'll be going to a Gamestop midnight launch, wearing headphones and hoping no one even looks at me.
nillapuddin
Member
ha, fair enough
still want my Walmart skin?
I think we can pull a 4 way trade between you, me, zlatko and laird lol
edit:
btw
Barlow and Wahrer Machine, yall have a straight up trade available
Ragnarok Flames
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People cant have a bad opinion of the game, but people can have a good opinion of the game.
That has been your views from what i have seen
Maybe it's the fact that someone is declaring that Bungie or 343 released a map without testing it. Which is a truckload of bullshit, and ignores all the other elements of maps that didn't work out and Bungie removed them with the benefit of hindsight and reams of matchmaking telemetry and used the lessons in their next games as well. But nobody really calls them out or notices them because it's not the current game and they just want to get a reaction.
It's not flawed reasoning at all. If you are great with both, you will choose the DMR based on your criteria. Some people will even choose the AR based on their style of play. I played in a game with Bravo last week and we dominated the other team, I finished second, I used the BR, he used DMR. If I had used the DMR, I'd have finished lower. The math is indisputable, but style is about personal preference and ranges of ability. I'm not, but you can imagine for example that I might be better at jumping or dodging than Bravo. Looking at a single number ignores the millions of other variables involved. think you'll see MLG etc settle very quickly on one weapon, but you won't see that as a universal in matchmaking, I don't think.
Sure! I hope the commissioner approves and there are no skins to be named later.
nillapuddin
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haha
Sweet! Ill have to add a new page which shows potential trades, then we can sign off on them
I never said they didn't test it. I did, however, state that their testing methods are not appropriate for actually gameplay given the results. How can you say their testing is working properly when an entire map is broken at release? How can you say its working when you have players spawning with AR's on a huge map? Personally, there are a ton of other things I see that should have been resolved with proper testing, but you'll disagree with me on those.
Actually, that's good balance. A weapon that is easy to use (BR) should not be as good as one that is more difficult to use (DMR), regardless of the situation. I wish this balance philosophy would hold true for the rest of the sandbox.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Good enough.
I'm always up for a 4 way.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I actually think MLG will have plenty of BR players, due to to increase in base movement speed. Hopefully MLG just go with Slayer Pro settings.
The issue is usually that they didn't test it with assholes in mind. And to be fair they can't do that. They can't anticipate every single griefing factor, time spent, glitch found, and hiding spot on every single map. There just isn't enough time or manpower in any game studio to catch everything.
The low gravity space area above Zealot, however, was abused from absolute day 1 of the game launch. How they missed that it would be a campers dream (and nearly, if not entirely impossible to break), has to boil down to oversight and/or not truly understanding the demographic of people purchasing your product. But they also shoehorned Sword Base into mutliplayer so...
The test of a studio (in this case 343) will be in how they handle such issues once they are inevitably found. If a map carries on for a few weeks with an issue that's not a huge deal. If it carries on for months (or forever as in the Sanctuary clone) then customers have the right to complain and be skeptical going forward.
I think 343 will have learned much from the latter days of watching Reach (their maps, for starters, seem much better at launch than the Reach maps), but that can only be decided when we actually get to play the game. Until then we can bitch, argue, and be skeptical because given some of the other changes (Infinity Slayer, random ordnance, instant spawn, kill cams, jetpack returning, can't pickup grenades, etc. etc. etc.) it might be the most pragmatic outlook to approach the game with a healthy dose of skepticism.
YourExWife
Member
Exactly. That's why I felt I needed to point out that kill times have nothing to with play-style. To me, play-style is stuff like "do I want to flank and/or put assisting shots into people?", "do I want to do my best to distract the other team and force them to deal with me instead of killing the flag carrier?", etc. That's playstyle. CQC/rifleplay is a situational consideration.
I can see your point I suppose, but the maps are designed to play to the tactical and strategic strengths inherent in the gameplay design. Contrast this to Halo, where it is quickly becoming nothing of the sort.
As far as commanding your army, you should get Brood War and see how fucking tedious it used to be. I guess the way I'm seeing it is from the point of view of people who understood SC, and applied that to SC2. SC was more about unit and building control and placement, whereas SC2 is more about planning out your attacks and where they'll take place, and designing your engagements around the map environment. This came about in part because it was easier to actually control your units (and in some ways, less fun to do so I suppose). In my opinion, the gameplay is more cerebral and less physical control perfection (immaculate micro).
So, i'm a good player but if i want to play my preferred style i won't do as well as when going against my style? Going against my style doesn't mean i'd be less good with that style, i don't do such a mistake, i adapt to whatever i have with myself at the moment.
You promote Halo 4 as allowing people to play as they like yet the game is not actually balanced that in mind?
Does not compute.
You're right that there are many variables but quite often one or two are the most important, and most often determine the outcome.
Moa
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lulz.
timetokill
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Oh my god what a mess :\
Are these skins even going to be good or are there better ones in the game that I'll end up using, making these preorder ones worthless?
Offer rescinded! Offer rescinded!
I thought the problem was how easy it was to defend!
BOOM! Like Elzar I strike.
I don't know if you're directing this at me or just saying in general. The AR (to me) is not iconic of Halo (to me) in any way shape or form. It's a gag reel weapon by and large. The pistol was the true iconic weapon in H1 and the BR in H2 & 3. I just can't take that weapon seriously and they could've just as easily replaced that dopey gun with a BR in the trailer and it wouldn't have made that pitiful pitter-patter sound.I wish the fanbase would stop acting like the AR's balancing in multiplayer is canon.
Though regardless, I must say that whole scene was the weakest part of the trailer anyway.
As good as Fyre's explanation was, I have to agree. You could see the problem with an open space like that from a mile away.
ViewtifulJC
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The AR sound effects should be replaced with the Benny Hill theme song. Finally, the AR charging-trade-melee-death XBL staple will have an appropriate soundtrack.
You can apply the same to Reach's mechanics like Jetpack, Armor Lock, and bloom. There's inherent problems in all of them, and it really does feel like they went unchecked.
K
kittens
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I love abusing it in CTF. Scrubs never seem to look for the flag carrier up there.
But apparently Bungie's extensive internal testing team couldn't, even after playing (hopefully) hundreds of hours on it. That's my concern and that's why I don't take any internal testing as consolation or as a defense for something appearing to be pretty flawed. I prefer to use my own logic and experience (even though GAF doesn't believe in that and only thinks players who have played the game are allowed to say anything about it).
me, didn't care for it in CoD, dont care about it in Halo either