Microsoft Conference: Will they Bring It Like Sony Did?

I do hope there is little focus on the Kinect, though, honestly. Microsoft should "lead" the industry by reverting back to the traditional form of gaming while also boasting an incredibly powerful and versatile piece of hardware.
 
Raven77 said:
You realize that about 85% of those sales were with the pack in bundle right? Which MS basically made it such a RIDICULOUSLY better deal money wise that people bought it with Kinect by default.
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REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Oh, the things I'll read on GAF... Yeah, it was a RIDICULOUSLY better deal, just give us $99 more and we'll give you something you don't really want.
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LOL I was thinking the exact same thing ^
100 bucks extra for a supposed "gimmick that doesnt work"..what a bargain.

Then on the other side of the coin they'll bitch about the inclusion of it "driving the price up" on the 720.
If they 'only sold Kinect in bundles' at a "ridiculously better deal", then what exactly are people complaining about? Can't have it both ways. Well, haters can.
 
Besides the games and hardware that they'll show/discuss I'm more interested in their overall vision for their console. Sony delivered a great vision of their console and MS better step up their game to compete with that sound presentation.
 
motion gaming can be fun. real fun. but not if you don't have form of feedback .. wii and move have a controller that gives feedback and makes you feel you are using something to play. kinect has no feedback at all, it's just waving, swiping and moving your hands in the air. it just doesn't feel as satisfying to the player. it is great and cool for navigating the os or using a movie app or something like that, but when it comes to games it feels flat and unrewarding..
 
Hanmik said:
motion gaming can be fun. real fun. but not if you don't have form of feedback .. wii and move have a controller that gives feedback and makes you feel you are using something to play. kinect has no feedback at all, it's just waving, swiping and moving your hands in the air. it just doesn't feel as satisfying to the player. it is great and cool for navigating the os or using a movie app or something like that, but when it comes to games it feels flat and unrewarding..
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Fruit ninja was fun at the best buy i played it at. :/
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Yup. People need to realize how crazy it is that MS is willing to step this far out of the box. They are really betting the farm on this vision. They could have easily just iterated on the 360 and it would have been a success but instead they are banking on the mass populace being ready to have a game console be the hub of their life. I think it could be brilliant.



I drove a car with my hands out in front of me I don't know about you.
lol
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Sorry but the tech just isn't there. No one condemned them for trying, its for not working. If they can get it to work, that's a start, but because the technology still has not been proven its still a
broken[\spoiler] promise.
 
Raven77 said:
You guys need to do a little research. The Kinect bundle was clearly the better choice financially as it was NOT 100 dollars more than the other bundle, it was 100 dollars less.

A million in 24 hours? great I'm guessing what at midnight on Black Friday? I can sell my own poo to someone if marketed correctly on black friday.
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What in the world are you talking about?
 
Announce online multiplayer is no longer behind a tollgate.
Show a kinect that can track all ten fingers.
Make it a point to mention your console doesn't have an online requirement or block used software.
Show a game demo on par with Killzone, along with a couple new IPs.

That would be "bringing it".
 
LeBrick James said:
Is this really their plan? When it comes to just playing games, Kinect is nothing more than a gimmick that isn't even practical for anything but casual genres.

Going all Minority Report with the OS would be cute for awhile, but it's nothing that can't be done more efficiently with a controller and a mic.

I can't think of many ways they can double-down on Kinect and make it more interesting, but oh well... This would make it even easier for me to avoid the new Xbox. The media might like it though.
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abacab driver said:
LOL I was thinking the exact same thing ^
100 bucks extra for a supposed "gimmick that doesnt work"..what a bargain.

Then on the other side of the coin they'll bitch about the inclusion of it "driving the price up" on the 720.
If they 'only sold Kinect in bundles' at a "ridiculously better deal", then what exactly are people complaining about? Can't have it both ways. Well, haters can.
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It wasn't "100 dollars more" to get it with Kinect. Jebus you people are mind blowing.

4GB Kinect Bundle with the system: $299

250GB Stand alone system only bundle (no Kinect): $299


Well gee, if i'm the average consumer and don't know what a "GB" means then sure I'll buy the one that comes with Kinect...Christ. MS pulled a brilliant business move. Make the Kinect bundle more tantalizing to the average Joe, then, tout your "Kinect sales numbers" every chance you can get. This industry is all about money. Sony would do the same thing.
 
Hanmik said:
motion gaming can be fun. real fun. but not if you don't have form of feedback .. wii and move have a controller that gives feedback and makes you feel you are using something to play. kinect has no feedback at all, it's just waving, swiping and moving your hands in the air. it just doesn't feel as satisfying to the player. it is great and cool for navigating the os or using a movie app or something like that, but when it comes to games it feels flat and unrewarding..
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Maybe for you. I've enjoyed Kinect this gen (not much, though) and think that it could be consistently enjoyable (unlike this gen) if it is easier to start up/get into and far more reliable and accurate.
 
Interfectum said:
Kinect, like every other gimmick, was a short-lived fad. How are the software sales of the latest kinect games? Why has "better with kinect" been relegated to voice commands? People don't care. After Wii-Fit and Kinect 1.0, are casuals really going to be sold on yet another iteration of motion?
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And how do you know they're not accentuating the aspects of Kinect that actually do work well? Voice support etc. We already know they've increased the precision of the motion controls, we just don't know by how much. The assumption (or wishful thinking) of some that Microsoft is going all-in on Kinect and forcing it into every game is downright hilarious. As if they're going to simply ignore the other aspects of the business that made them incredibly successful.
 
Confidence Man said:
Announce online multiplayer is no longer behind a tollgate.
Show a kinect that can track all ten fingers.
Make it a point to mention your console doesn't have an online requirement or block used software.
Show a game demo on par with Killzone, along with a couple new IPs.

That would be "bringing it".
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I'd love for them to drop the points system for buying stuff - it's incredibly scammy - but don't see it happening.
 
Hopefully they will have more and better games to show. Not just a bunch of tech demos and " aaaahh look, we can play with clay with the move!! Holy sh**t is this a game or what is going on!!???!!!??"

Microsoft does however need some new exclusive IP's for the new console. Forza halo and Gears is not enough...

And Sony do to, getting sick of uncharted aswell...
and don't even get me started on Killzone...
 
LeBrick James said:
Is this really their plan? When it comes to just playing games, Kinect is nothing more than a gimmick that isn't even practical for anything but casual genres.

Going all Minority Report with the OS would be cute for awhile, but it's nothing that can't be done more efficiently with a controller and a mic.

I can't think of many ways they can double-down on Kinect and make it more interesting, but oh well... This would make it even easier for me to avoid the new Xbox. The media might like it though.
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MS is thinking much bigger than this. Tying the mic and camera to every aspect of the OS to interface with - Browsers, Media, DVR, and Games allows them to create a cohesive experience across the whole platform. I mean nobody has tried to do that before with any success. Not only are they making it easier for the consumer by combining all these things together they are also aiming to create a experience so intuitive and better that you won't want to go back after trying it.
 
reson8or said:
I mean no offense at all, however, if you recall, it was stated by Microsoft before the ORIGINAL Xbox even came out that MS was all about breaking into the living room space and that their console was a means to an end.
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It's kind of funny reading back that article. It's essentially a mirror image of what you'd expect to find in an article written about Microsoft today.

As spending on new personal computers slows, the company synonymous with their rise, Microsoft Corp., has aggressively shifted its focus to consumer gadgetry
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It was his latest attempt to demonstrate that Microsoft is working to remain relevant at a time when the traditional functions of desktop PCs are fragmenting onto smaller, friendlier and more portable devices.
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But with PC sales faltering in recent months, Microsoft and other computer companies such as Intel Corp. are trying to balance developing new markets against maintaining traditional cash cows.
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"Microsoft is at a real crossroads," said Judith Hurwitz, president of Hurwitz Group, a market research firm in Framingham, Mass. "They've gotten to the point where people no longer have a compelling reason to upgrade their software. Consumers aren't saying, 'Gee, I can't wait to get my hands on the next operating system or the next version of Word.'
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If you'd have told me that that article was written in 2013 instead of 2001, I'd have no problem believing you.
 
Raven77 said:
It wasn't "100 dollars more" to get it with Kinect. Jebus you people are mind blowing.

4GB Kinect Bundle with the system: $299

250GB Stand alone system only bundle (no Kinect): $299


Well gee, if i'm the average consumer and don't know what a "GB" means then sure I'll buy the one that comes with Kinect...Christ.
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4GB Standalone system only bundle: $199

Is that not a $100 difference?
 
Raven77 said:
You guys need to do a little research. The Kinect bundle was clearly the better choice financially as it was NOT 100 dollars more than the other bundle, it was 100 dollars less.

A million in 24 hours? great I'm guessing what at midnight on Black Friday? I can sell my own poo to someone if marketed correctly on black friday.
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Actually you proving your provin hour ignorsnce based on your clear bias.

Show us this fake Kinect Karaoke game you pulled out of your 'poo', that you couldn't sell a million of on Black Friday. Just like Sony couldn't with Move.
 
ari said:
How dumb do you think people that don't dwell on internet forums are exactly?
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When it comes to technical stuff like that? They are not "dumb" as you put it, they are just ignorant of that type of information. Do you really think the average mom knows that a 4gb Xbox 360 system would be gimped compared to a 250gb system?

I personally don't think they would, otherwise the 250gb system would have outsold the bundle by a wide margin and Kinect stand alone sales would have carried those sales numbers.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
You really should just stop before you embarrass yourself further.
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Guess I was wrong.

But I can't for the life of me remember seeing any arcade bundles in store. All I ever saw was the Kinect bundle and the Elite.


Regardless, every other point i've made I stand by, show me that Kinect 2 is not a gimmick and I'll be on board from day 1. I will no doubt likely buy both the PS4 and the 720 either way so...this whole argument for me is kind of pointless. I just can't resist a shiny new gaming console.
 
Raven77 said:
When it comes to technical stuff like that? They are not "dumb" as you put it, they are just ignorant of that type of information. Do you really think the average mom knows that a 4gb Xbox 360 system would be gimped compared to a 250gb system?

I personally don't think they would, otherwise the 250gb system would have outsold the bundle by a wide margin and Kinect stand alone sales would have carried those sales numbers.
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The average mom buys ipods,iphones, and ipads or other headsets that come with different sizes. The population know exactly what gb sizes are.

You cant possibly put the sales of xbox 360s and kinect on pure ignorence, can you? Lol
 
Interfectum said:
Kinect, like every other gimmick, was a short-lived fad. How are the software sales of the latest kinect games? Why has "better with kinect" been relegated to voice commands? People don't care. After Wii-Fit and Kinect 1.0, are casuals really going to be sold on yet another iteration of motion?
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Kinect Star Wars sold better than any Sony exclusive in 2012. So what are you talking about?

Harmonix 'Dance Central' has been more success for them on the Xbox than any Guitar Hero or Rock Band they ever created that sold on the system.

Rare's Kinect Sports is at 7 million+ between 2 games that came out a year apart.

No one Move sold a million Nd Kinect has 10 a million or better.

How is Kinect short lived when it's only been around a little over 2 years and averaged 12 million sold a year.

If Kinect is a 2 year fad that's over then the other guys have been dead for two years straight.
 
Even if MS's conference focuses only on games without giving much thought to Kinect I wouldn't be fooled, I mean, only hardcore gamers watch that stuff, they're just gonna show what people want to see, specially since they can react to what Sony showed.

Comes release date BAM! Rare releases KI (Kinect Instinct)
 
DEADEVIL said:
Kinect Star Wars sold better than any Sony exclusive in 2012. So what are you talking about?

Harmonix 'Dance Central' has been more success for them on the Xbox than any Guitar Hero or Rock Band they ever created that sold on the system.

Rare's Kinect Sports is at 7 million+ between 2 games that came out a year apart.

No one Move sold a million Nd Kinect has 10 a million or better.

How is Kinect short lived when it's only been around a little over 2 years and averaged 12 million sold a year.

If Kinect is a 2 year fad that's over then the other guys have been dead for two years straight.
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You realize every single big number outside of Dance Central can be tied back to a bundle. Just cause a game comes with something for free doesn't mean the game itself is super popular. If you want the device you HAVE to get that game with it. And yes, the Star Wars system was awesome and I would bet a majority bought it for the system alone, not that horrendously shitty Star Wars game.
 
DEADEVIL said:
Kinect Star Wars sold better than any Sony exclusive in 2012. So what are you talking about?

Harmonix 'Dance Central' has been more success for them on the Xbox than any Guitar Hero or Rock Band they ever created that sold on the system.

Rare's Kinect Sports is at 7 million+ between 2 games that came out a year apart.

No one Move sold a million Nd Kinect has 10 a million or better.

How is Kinect short lived when it's only been around a little over 2 years and averaged 12 million sold a year.

If Kinect is a 2 year fad that's over then the other guys have been dead for two years straight.
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Faulty Logic
 
DEADEVIL said:
Kinect Star Wars sold better than any Sony exclusive in 2012. So what are you talking about?

Harmonix 'Dance Central' has been more success for them on the Xbox than any Guitar Hero or Rock Band they ever created that sold on the system.

Rare's Kinect Sports is at 7 million+ between 2 games that came out a year apart.

No one Move sold a million Nd Kinect has 10 a million or better.

How is Kinect short lived when it's only been around a little over 2 years and averaged 12 million sold a year.

If Kinect is a 2 year fad that's over then the other guys have been dead for two years straight.
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How did Fable Journey do? lol
 
Syphon Filter said:
you were expecting more? E3 is yet to come. I thought Sony did well except dropping the ball on BC.
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I am mainly a PC gamer so the visuals didn't really impress me and I really wasn't interested in any of the games they demoed so unless there are any games shown at E3 that interest me I probably wont be picking up a PS4 at launch.
 
The OS features is shit with a bunch of Wii ripoff games. Kinect was just a bunch of fluff. Hand waves and basic voice recognition controls. Didn't live up to the hype IMO. The only thing that peaks my interest is great OS features. Let's see what they can do.
 
Since this is now the active thread:

Please excuse my crystal ball antics but:

Microsoft will win this - the hype, the media, the sales, you name it. Pressure is high, and they know they need gamers on their side.

What brings gamers? Games! Exclusive games! Blockbuster Exclusive games!

It does not matter how badly they fuck up any and all talk on hardware and business practices. Here are the games, we made sure no one else has them, buy our shit.

In my mind, there is no possible scenario where Sony can one-up MS in that regard.
 
DEADEVIL said:
How did Sorcery do? Lol
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The big difference here is that Sony didn't push move very hard, or at least nowhere near as hard as MS pushed Kinect.

Nobody expected any move games to sell super crazy good. People DID expect the big name Kinect titles to sell well and some of them bombed hard.
 
Raven77 said:
You realize every single big number outside of Dance Central can be tied back to a bundle. Just cause a game comes with something for free doesn't mean the game itself is super popular. If you want the device you HAVE to get that game with it. And yes, the Star Wars system was awesome and I would bet a majority bought it for the system alone, not that horrendously shitty Star Wars game.
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You do realize Sony has games that are at retail that are bundles as well riight.

That means not only are these games selling at Retail and for your info Kindct Sports was the best selling Kindct game by far before any bundle that you pretend encompassed 10 games that have sold over a million.

Still waiting on the name of this fake Kinect Karaoke game that you made up out of thin air that you claim that is all Microsoft is going to show.
 
Raven77 said:
The big difference here is that Sony didn't push move very hard, or at least nowhere near as hard as MS pushed Kinect.
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In their conference Sony spent more time talking about Move last E3 than they did the Vita. Also, the Move is compatible with the PS4 where the DS3 is not.
 
Hanmik said:
motion gaming can be fun. real fun. but not if you don't have form of feedback .. wii and move have a controller that gives feedback and makes you feel you are using something to play. kinect has no feedback at all, it's just waving, swiping and moving your hands in the air. it just doesn't feel as satisfying to the player. it is great and cool for navigating the os or using a movie app or something like that, but when it comes to games it feels flat and unrewarding..
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people don't have fun with Kinect? oh gaf...
 
All microsoft has to do is walk out. Say hey who saw the PS conference. Then say we have all that plus BC, and it records Video of not only your games but anything on your cable tv. You will be really happy with the DVR because you won't want watch tv when you can be playing these games! Show Black Tusk game, Destiny with exclusive content, The Last Guardian(Just messing), PGR 5, Crackdown 3 by a new studio, COD MW4, Halo footage. Forza 5, and RYSE, also return of 1vs100.
 
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