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Microsoft Conference: Will they Bring It Like Sony Did?
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You can say the same thing about almost every ps game, Sony is known for bundles year round, uncharted, lbp, gran turismo. Ms mostly bundles in holiday season.
Syphon Filter
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I just look at where the game sells most and then look at how it sells weekly/monthly for a while. I remember forza 4 selling less than 3 despite having more time to work with.
I know sony does it too but you can see how it does before they bundle it.[i believe npd does not cover bundles] GOW sold 1 million in a month which is crazy for that genre. MS bundles forza from the get go especially in Europe where they love racers.
If those are blockbusters then Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza , Kinect Sports, are blockbusters as well.
Has it really gotten so bad that we're now just saying shit simply to make anything to do with Xbox look worse than it is?
If Blockbuster status is being based around sales, Sony wishes they had as many as Microsoft and Nintendo.
I agree that Forza is not blockbuster as Halo/Gears/Fable... but Forza 4 got 3 million users on leaderboards before getting bundles. If you count users without XBL the number is bigger.
I think its short-sighted to look at the games announced during the PS Meeting, and extrapolate that out, and come to the conclusion that Sony isn't going to deliver the games. New games franchises, returning franchises, indies, etc. That's what the PS3 was all about. The nature of the meeting wasn't to show us everything. We won't see everything at E3.
Moreover, we don't really even know how the game revealed play out. Say what you will about their marketing during this current generation, question their software sales figures, but no one has delivered has delivered as many games and as much diversity as Sony. I can't speak for anybody's tastes of course, but I think Sony's easily offered more games for quote unquote hardcore gamers. And while you've had your UnCharteds, Killzones, and God of Wars...you've had plenty of other games that tried something new and/or were wholly new IP.
I expect UnCharted to return, God of War eventually, LBP to return on top of Killzone and Infamous...but I think everything else is spanking new. The returning franchises are there to pull in fans, and get devs familiar with the hardware during the transition. Don't sleep on Sony in the games dept.
Moreover, we don't really even know how the game revealed play out. Say what you will about their marketing during this current generation, question their software sales figures, but no one has delivered has delivered as many games and as much diversity as Sony. I can't speak for anybody's tastes of course, but I think Sony's easily offered more games for quote unquote hardcore gamers. And while you've had your UnCharteds, Killzones, and God of Wars...you've had plenty of other games that tried something new and/or were wholly new IP.
I expect UnCharted to return, God of War eventually, LBP to return on top of Killzone and Infamous...but I think everything else is spanking new. The returning franchises are there to pull in fans, and get devs familiar with the hardware during the transition. Don't sleep on Sony in the games dept.
Kinect Spinoff not a true Fable sequel.
I will agree people are being shortsighted.
The 360 went from Perfect Dark Zero and Wall Guy©, to Mass Effect 2 and Skyrim.
It's as if no one remembers how the console development cycle works.
Syphon Filter
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You are quick to think i am a fanboy when i'm not. Forza isn't a blockbuster at all,halo and gears are and even fable really.
You clearly missed the rumors.
I think MS will come out with some new IP, but as many have said (within the industry and within MS itself), they aren't focused primarily on games. Granted, both Sony and MS, want to be everything to everybody...but I think MS will be quicker to jump off the boat to delve into other things than Sony will. MS will rely on 3rd party and proven franchises after they've cemented their hardcore base. I think Sony has shown they will continue to invest in the hardcore throughout. One may be better for sales figures, but one's definitely better for my personal tastes.
Syphon Filter
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Yea that is what i mean,it's not in the same league as these 3.
Arrogant Menace
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THe discussion is about launch titles, ME2 came out in like 2010 I dont see the comparison. Sonys first impression game was was mediocre imo
Conrad Link
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I'm confident MS will come out of the gates guns blazing.
They tried pretty hard last gen to 'force' their way in and did well. They'll lock up some timed exclusives or something like with CoD or GTA again.
Throw marketing $$ and celebrities at shit and it'll seem like a big deal to the masses, me personally I just hope they aren't too focused on Kinect and fluff system service stuff and just have some cool game announcements.
Last year their E3 show was terrible.
They tried pretty hard last gen to 'force' their way in and did well. They'll lock up some timed exclusives or something like with CoD or GTA again.
Throw marketing $$ and celebrities at shit and it'll seem like a big deal to the masses, me personally I just hope they aren't too focused on Kinect and fluff system service stuff and just have some cool game announcements.
Last year their E3 show was terrible.
Because they are launch titles...
Also, Sony only really showed two pieces of real live gameplay. I'd wait until E3 before making snap judgements.
The only thing that looked really dull was Killzone.
Quoting sales of something is a false indicator. Kinect is an abject failure among game players, press, and just about everyone who owned the "now gathering dust" fad. Don't feel bad that you bought into it and start spewing sales numbers like anyone gives a shit. Do you work for Microsoft or own stock, if so then sure spouting sales figures might be relevant to you, but to all the people who don't have the prefect living room size, shape and lighting its a broken promise. No amount of sales figure evangelizing will make that less true.
digoutyoursoul
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It was one of the worst E3s I have ever seen, Edge magazine did a great write up on it
Arrogant Menace
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First impression should always be one of your best impressions, launch titles are what helps the system gain friction.
I honestly felt depressed about the state of video games after the Microsoft E3 press conference last year. Just fuuuuuuuuuck.
What? No, not at all. Launch titles are for early adopters that are going to buy the console anyway.
Arrogant Menace
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Early adopters spread the word, if not for early adopters the system will fail. launch titles should always consist of interesting new concepts. IMO sony failed to gauge interest in that department, maybe they can achieve that at the 2nd reveal.
So I'm interested to hear your metric for measuring a blockbuster.
Because I'd argue Forza ticks all the boxes. Sales? Yep. Critical acclaim? Yep. Zomg Grafiks? Yep.
digoutyoursoul
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You know it's shit when you have to try and drum up applause from the audience. It was predictable, mundane, going on about apps and the weird end with the Call of Duty guy standing there after going over time then walking off to silence.
Hope they have a much better conference this year.
You should probably go take a peak at the Xbox 360 launch lineup.
I don't think you understand how this all works.
(For the record I am a Xbox 360 owner. No Sony bias here.)
gaming_noob
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I've asked before but didn't get an answer. What was that Chinese rumor about with the hint "384-bit"?
Arrogant Menace
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360 lineup consisted of First/Third Party exclusives considering it was the only gen console at the time. both consoles have to come out hitting considering they're releasing so close.
Whose claiming people bought a 360 just to play MineCraft. But guess what those gamers who already own a 360 or a PS3 definately enjoyed experiences that are on XBLA and PSN.
Just because these experiences don't appeal to you because they are found 'elsewhere' it still didn't stop Minecraft from selling 5 million on the XBLA.
I think they finally understand where Kinect has it's use and place, in Dance Central or Double Fine Adventure. Trying to implement it into "hardcore" games with brute force did not serve them well at all.
Maybe they'll prove me wrong, and there will be a demonstration of how to use your Pip Boy in Fallout 4, with Kinect! ONLY WITH KINECT. Muahaha..hahah.ahahahahahaha.
Actually that's a good point.
Syphon Filter
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It is sales and also depends on the genre and comparison to other titles in the same genre. Forza never sold much,it may seem like it due to bundles.
Syphon Filter
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I thought last years E3 for MS was good actually. Also in terms of your comment about last gen, remember that many of those guys are gone now. We shall see how that goes.
digoutyoursoul
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The changing/reloading weapons Kinect for Ghost Recon got me, took about ten seconds a button press would do in one second. I know we take the piss but if people genuinely like Kinect, good for them, I'm cool with it as long as they invest as much in traditional controller stuff.
10 games selling over platinum = False
They didn't stall one hardcore franchise - they stalled them all. With Kinect!
Rather than shifting gears toward next gen, MS Kinected us all for 2 more long years. 2 more years of crappy 2004 era tech. Damn , 2005 was a long time ago. I'm not knocking MS for the business decision (it's all about the benjamens, don't ya know) but it wasn't the right gaming move for ME. To keep ME as a fan, as a player. I wanted the new hotness; Microsoft offered a camera peripheral. I'd have taken a 2011 equivalent of 32x if they were offering. But we got Kinect.
Who honestly loves their Kinect? I mean who could swear it to Jesus at the gates of Heaven. Who honestly is glad miscrosoft chose 2 years of silly Kinect-cam and channeled all its resources into that... peripheral and audience instead of giving us a new bleeding edge console last year? No one, that's who.
Call of Duty and Elder scrolls are also available on PC, a platform which Xbox 360 actually held its own with in 2005 in many respects if for no other reason than comperable graphics and ease of multiplayer. But playing those games on xbox now is just an awful experience for those of us who've been playing on PC the last few years. It's just too old. My argument was that Microsofts decision to run with Kinect for 2 years and NOT give us early adopter graphics diva types a new xbox sooner, was the whole reason they alienated us in the first place. Now they have a chance to get us back, if their tech is good. I wonder if they can compete with PS4, tho. For me, whoever has the best hardware wins -- but if PSN doesn't see a massive functionality overhaul (ala XBL - intuitive interface, cross game chat, parties, etc) then I'm out. And if MS's hardware isn't comperable to current high end PC, then I'll pass on that too.
If Forza Horizon a game that sold over a million is a bomb then the whole PS3 retail lineup in 2012 really bombed.
So then Mario, Wii_, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Killzone etc. Musnt be big either.
All heavily bundled.
Baconsammy
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This is mostly likely why Sony is consolidating and killing teams. They're finally learning that love of fanboys doesn't mean shit if actual consumers have no interest in their games. Hopefully this translates into fewer but better homegrown titles.
Wait so that means games like Little Big planet, Uncharted, Motorstorm etc.didn't have legs because they were heavily bundled as well. Forza 3 did have legs. If we are going on First month sales alone then there are whole lot of bombs out there.
Oh don't get me wrong. Dance Central is some of the most fun I've had with a game this generation. Nothing like getting drunk with friends and turning that thing on.
It certainly did well for Microsoft sales wise, but the overall quality of Kinect games were...on the lower end. And only kind of functional.
M$ has to win some goodwill back from me personally, when it comes to producing something that actually looks to improve my gaming experience. I normally wouldn't care so much, but I do worry some of their focus is shifting away from the more "traditional" games I enjoy.
Syphon Filter
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we saw what they did on npd and they don't count bundles. lbp is not a Blockbuster, don't see where you got that from and also killzone isn't one either.
Forza 4 came out two years after Forza 3, how is it that it had more time to work with. Like Forza 3, racers don't sell super fast out of the game on the 360.
But, Forza has become as popular as Gran Turismo in the US and the brand as a whole with it being the highest rated racing series of this gen has only set themselves up for success next gen when Turn 10 has a whole lot more power to work with.
Gran Turismo will not be touched because it is one of the few brands that Sony has that is huge in Europe as well as Japan, while selling over a million in the states.
Forza will only sell in 2 regions, but being #2 to Gran Turismo isnt an insult as all.
Syphon Filter
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lbp and killzone are not blockbusters along with motorstorm. uncharted is a 5 million seller which is about on par with gears so that is. blockbusters sell right away on release and have legs,forza wasn't that.
Wait what?
Look up Perfect Dark Zero wall guy and behold.
Uncharted was bundled. Especially in PAL regions.
Syphon Filter
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Not exactly sure if chart track counts bundles but forza was also bundled. in npd they don't count bundles for sure and UC did well although i thought it should have sold more.
Tripp Daily
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Car combat games are dead sadly. I played vigilante 8(I think that was the name) to death on the N64.
ElRenoRaven
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Well it didn't help that the 1 week demo had server issues and then the retail did and still does to this day. It was a great game though gameplay wise. I dare say my favorite.
Vigilante 8 was a fucking amazing game! I played it a ton as well, but on the PS1. That's probably the last car combat game I played as well.
I do feel for Jaffe and his latest Twisted Metal game. Poor guy had his game called "dog shit" by one Patrick Klepek. God that was a great moment in Bombcast history.
Baconsammy
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Good. They suck. Bring back the Psygnosis demolition derby game.
Xbudz
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Agreed. Also, next-gen Carmageddon with Tesselated blood and guts?