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[Circle Jerk]

[*]The game happens - including a couple trips to alternate worlds to get some guns. In one world Booker joined the Vox alongside Slate upon his arrival in Columbia, or perhaps traveled there with Slate in the first place. I wonder what it was like in the world between saving the gunsmith and moving his tools.

Wait, did Booker ever actually leave that universe? I don't think there's another large tear in the game until the end, which would mean he killed the Comstock in another universe than the one he was sent to, where he was already dead. So he was alive in a universe where he should be dead while ceasing to exist in the one he originally lived in.

 

[iMax]

What's the deal with the nosebleeds? Is it just like Lost where the brain is literally 'thinking itself to death'? — multiple contradictory moments of the same event in the same place creating a paradox so complex causing the brain to be put under extreme pressure?

 

[BeekleMatter]

(Christopher Nolan said the top stopped spinning in the end of Inception by the way[citation needed]).

I really don't want to derail the thread, but it was irrelevant whether the top stopped spinning or not, it is his wife's idol, not his. Everyone has their own idol. His idol was his wedding ring, (ever notice him feeling his fingers?) you can see he wears it when he's in dreams, and not when he's awake. At the end of the movie he doesn't have it on when he spins the top. Mind blown right?

Anyway... I just finished this game and I can't even begin to describe what an experience that was. I will be following this thread and yes it would be nice if the OP was organized as a combination of theories, etc. My second playthrough will start sometime soon, I can't even imagine the amount of things I missed.

 

[Horse Detective]

In the ending, Elizabeth reveals herself to be a "time lord" and takes Booker on a journey to an infinite number of lighthouses, all representing the "beginning" of some kind of journey that is always the same with slight variations.

From the wiki, lol.

 

[Sscia]

What's the deal with the nosebleeds? Is it just like Lost where the brain is literally 'thinking itself to death'? — multiple contradictory moments of the same event in the same place creating a paradox so complex causing the brain to be put under extreme pressure?

I think that if the version of you in a world is dead, you start getting nose bleeds.
That's why booker's nose bled when he found out he died fighting for the vox and after he killed Comstock.

 

[GenericBadGuy]

Lutece.

Lol.

You're fighting a losing battle with that one.

 

[Horse Detective]

I even made the mistake when I first came in this thread.

I am fine with calling them the Lettuce twins.

 

[Sscia]

But Booker does kill Comstock he bashes his head in and then drowns him.

He kills one of them, him in that current world.

 

[DatDude]

So, correct me if I'm wrong but there are 2 theories;

Theory 1: Booker destines to be in a infinite loop, forever stuck in a limbo of sorts

Theory 2: Everything was reset in the end, and Booker was given a new chance to restart his life.

Any more theories that were brought up?

 

[rinker]

That picture of the heads/tails thing reminds me of something else - I'm pretty sure I saw 12 tallied somewhere else in the game, but I can't remember what. Helmets maybe?

Though I know the 12 from the heads was only one side of the board.

 

[Horse Detective]

So, correct me if I'm wrong but there are 2 theories;

Theory 1: Booker destines to be in a infinite loop, forever stuck in a limbo of sorts

Theory 2: Everything was reset in the end, and Booker was given a new chance to restart his life.

Any more theories that were brought up?

From the wiki

Because Booker chose to die at the very spot of his Baptism, it killed the Zachary Comstock version of himself. This results in Comstock never buying back Elizabeth (at the time called Anna) from Booker (The one that chose not to do the Baptism) In a post-credits scene, it shows Booker back in his apartment where it's assumed that he and Anna are still with each other and the Lutece twins never asked for Anna in exchange for erasing Booker's debts because Comstock never existed, finally breaking the cycle Booker was doomed to follow.

I like theory 2. I really do.

 

[Angelus Errare]

What's the deal with the nosebleeds? Is it just like Lost where the brain is literally 'thinking itself to death'? — multiple contradictory moments of the same event in the same place creating a paradox so complex causing the brain to be put under extreme pressure?

Kinda, I always think of it like in Aston Kutcher's butterfly effect, new memories are instantly gained, causing temporary brain damage and nosebleeds, that also means you died in another timeline.

Booker getting killed in the Vox revolution - Nosebleed
Booker killing Comstock - Nosebleed

You getting a nosebleed in real life? A version of you died somewhere...mind blown (and it explains deja vu)

 

[DatDude]

From the wiki



I like theory 2. I really do.

Yeah, theory 2 makes me feel good on the inside.

Also does anyone else see the religious symbolism with the ending..

Again maybe this is just me..As someone who was raised in a christian orthodox family, I couldn't help but see the religious undertones with thos.

Elizabeth=God.

She can see the future/the past, she knows everything and anything.

By "drowning" Booker, it's as if he was "baptized",

An once he was baptized, he was allowed to be free from any sin that he committed upon Elizabeth, and was thus atoned, and given a chance to restart life anew.

 

[Horse Detective]

I want to see what happens if you choose tails instead of heads during the first encounter with the lettuces.

 

[Ominym]

I want to see what happens if you choose tails instead of heads during the first encounter with the lettuces.

Also what happens if you choose a different pendant? I chose the bird, for example.

 

[Horse Detective]

Poor, poor Booker.

 

[Sscia]

Also what happens if you choose a different pendant? I chose the bird, for example.

I chose the bird, everything remains as usuall (well you can't really tell, but nothing was out of the ordinary).
I think it might have something to do with the letter you get from old elizabeth, mine had a cage in it (again, I chose the bird pedant).

 

[Lingitiz]

Poor, poor Booker.

Totally forgot about this.

As cheesy as it is, I wonder if Irrational is trying to say something about the player being the one to finally break the cycle.

 

[DatDude]

Poor, poor Booker.

Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjOqaD5tWB0

No doubt being the inspiration I'm guessing.

 

[Horse Detective]

I can't believe 121 Bookers went through that before we got it right.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjOqaD5tWB0

No doubt being the inspiration I'm guessing.

I know, right?

I KNOW, RIGHT?????

Anyhow, the Letuces were my favorite characters after Liz.

 

[Horse Detective]

Why does that paper on Booker's desk say October 8th during the ending scene, but doesn't say the date during the intro flashback/dream?

Will we ever find out if he is in a loop or not?

 

[cheezcake]

So right at the end, when Booker is drowned. Elizabeth says "You chose to walk away, but in other oceans you didnt. You took the baptism".

Now at this point the priest says "And what name shall you take my son", now he didn't say this in the initial baptism scene where Booker refuses. So it's safe to assume Booker has already accepted the baptism at this point in time, so when the Elizabeths drown him they're only drowning the Booker which turns into Comstock.

So in the post-credits scene Booker still has Anna because Comstock was never created, but at the same time the version of him that refuses the baptism was never killed.

Edit: I still have no idea why Elizabeth has the power to control tears though, it's bugging me

 

[adamsapple]

Poor, poor Booker.

oh man.

shit ..

INFINITE.

 

[Chance Hale]

Poor, poor Booker.

Edit: I still have no idea why Elizabeth has the power to control tears though, it's bugging me

When she was being taken into the portal as a baby and lost the finger there was some sort of reaction/fusion that gave her the quantum powers. At least that's how I understood it

 

[DatDude]

Edit: I still have no idea why Elizabeth has the power to control tears though, it's bugging me

When Booker sold Elizabeth off to Comstock, her finger got cut off in the process right inbetwen the 2 universes.

 

[Sscia]

So right at the end, when Booker is drowned. Elizabeth says "You chose to walk away, but in other oceans you didnt. You took the baptism".

Now at this point the priest says "And what name shall you take my son", now he didn't say this in the initial baptism scene where Booker refuses. So it's safe to assume Booker has already accepted the baptism at this point in time, so when the Elizabeths drown him they're only drowning the Booker which turns into Comstock.

So in the post-credits scene Booker still has Anna because Comstock was never created, but at the same time the version of him that refuses the baptism was never killed.

Edit: I still have no idea why Elizabeth has the power to control tears though, it's bugging me

Someone here said that it might be because she lost her finger in the portal, so she might got infused with powers or some shit like that.

On the baptism thing, that specific scene is basically different from all other worlds because Booker had the conversation with all the Elizabeths instead of talking to the priest.
We never see in the game a full scene of baptism so there's no way to compare the situation.

I think Elizabeth understands that she has to kill all version of booker/Comstock, so she does it before the timeline split (when he makes his decision).

 

[DatDude]

Why does that paper on Booker's desk say October 8th during the ending scene, but doesn't say the date during the intro flashback/dream?

Will we ever find out if he is in a loop or not?

I think it's more fun to have various theories, rather than 1 definitive answer.

But that's just me.

 

[Horse Detective]

;__; the happy theory is the only one that matters

 

[DatDude]

;__; the happy theory is the only one that matters

<3

 

[GotchaForce]

I think Comstock and Booker being the same has more to do with their actions: using the innocent for their own ends. It reminds me of Braid in that no matter the different situations or powers and whatnot, you're responsible for your own actions.

 

[dokish]

I don't get people who play games for story.

Joke post?

 

[adamsapple]

Found this on N4g (please dont laugh )

http://www.thegamingvault.com/2013/...reatest-games-of-all-time-and-nobody-noticed/


how bioshock infinite ripped off Chrono Trigger.

 

[ThaiGrocer]

I'm not sure if I got this right (can be completely wrong) with the tape found in the Lettuce lab:

Comcast kills the Lettuces, so they need Booker in order to continue with experiments, right? So does that mean their "ghosts" are just helping direct Booker in order to see if the cycle can end?

 

[GotchaForce]

Found this on N4g (please dont laugh )

http://www.thegamingvault.com/2013/...reatest-games-of-all-time-and-nobody-noticed/


how bioshock infinite ripped off Chrono Trigger.

How the game opens with the carnival with the mini games reminded of CT's opening.

 

[Rojo]

I'm not sure if I got this right (can be completely wrong) with the tape found in the Lettuce lab:

Comcast kills the Lettuces, so they need Booker in order to continue with experiments, right? So does that mean their "ghosts" are just helping direct Booker in order to see if the cycle can end?

i think its just another version of them like booker/comstalk

 

[Carcetti]

Theories 1 and 2 don't need to be exclusive of each other. There are endless variations of the characters that will keep the cycle going in various forms, but that doesn't mean one particular universe and its Bookers and Annas can't split off from the cycle.

 

[Jofamo]

Is there any reason the Lutece's had to keep Booker in the dark about what they were doing? Like, why couldn't they tell him, when they brought him over to the boat, that his daughter was in Columbia and he has to get her back to stop the world burning? I feel like that state Booker was in, he would have believed and done anything to get Anna back.

 

[Horse Detective]

Do you guys think everyone here is going to hate this game in a matter of 3 or so days, like what happened with Skyrim?

Is there any reason the Lutece's had to keep Booker in the dark about what they were doing? Like, why couldn't they tell him, when they brought him over to the boat, that his daughter was in Columbia and he has to get her back to stop the world burning? I feel like that state Booker was in, he would have believed and done anything to get Anna back.

Good question :/

 

[ThaiGrocer]

Do you guys think everyone here is going to hate this game in a matter of 3 or so days, like what happened with Skyrim?


Good question :/

Souring in GAF, yes. Everywhere else, not really.

 

[eller711]

Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjOqaD5tWB0

No doubt being the inspiration I'm guessing.

I thought the same thing when I saw those two.

 

[The Xtortionist]

Man, I never get emotional with any form of entertainment but going to Rapture and hearing Beyond the Sea one last time got me *this* close to being misty-eyed. Fucking bravo Irrational, this is officially in my top 10 of all time.

 

[Truant]

So "Give us the girl, clear away the debt" was actually referring to the sale of Anna? Or did they just play on that past event to get Booker to do it even though he couldn't remember it.

 

[Milchjon]

So, I got spoiled by some asshole on Facebook, and I now realize those spoilers were completely accurate, but damn, they don't make any sense until the very end and in the context of what happened.

What an incredible, incredible game.

 

[Superimposer]

Do you guys think everyone here is going to hate this game in a matter of 3 or so days, like what happened with Skyrim?


Good question :/

Why would he go along with his own murder?

 

[Truant]

I chose the bird, everything remains as usuall (well you can't really tell, but nothing was out of the ordinary).
I think it might have something to do with the letter you get from old elizabeth, mine had a cage in it (again, I chose the bird pedant).

No, there are no notes called I or R (Bird?). CAGE was the sequence of musical notes to control the Songbird.

 

[noffles]

So "Give us the girl, clear away the debt" was actually referring to the sale of Anna? Or did they just play on that past event to get Booker to do it even though he couldn't remember it.

Booker repressed the memory, but it came back as motivation when the Lucetes approached Booker with an opportunity to get her back. If they ending is anything to go by, the Lucetes randomly opened a tear in Booker's office and he worked the motivation into his head on his own, so they left him to his motivations without telling him anything, because it seemed like he knew what he was going to do.

Why would he go along with his own murder?

This too.

 

[Milchjon]

I should stop reading this thread, ignore any possible holes in the logic, and go back to loving what I experienced. :-D

 

[bidguy]

Just rewatched the debut trailer for BioShock Infinite and noticed two interesting things...

1. the character in the trailer is wearing different clothes and has a different voice to DeWitt. Could it be a completely different character? Certainly explains why the events in the trailer never occur in the game.
2. …and Elizabeth has all her fingers intact.

Dude just watch the other Bioshock debut trailers.
You are never that guy in the videos. Also, they both die so it's pretty obvious that it's not booker or jack.

 

[Superimposer]

I should stop reading this thread, ignore any possible holes in the logic, and go back to loving what I experienced. :-D

I don't think there are any holes frankly, I think it actually takes a lot of thinking about to fill those holes in. It's pretty consistent. I was confused then took the time to work it all out, and I think it's worth it.