If you didn't notice the difference in handling, you must be more of a "Burnout" style player.
Forza 3 the most successful Forza game?
- Thread starter BrokenSymmetry
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If you didn't notice the difference in handling, you must be more of a "Burnout" style player.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Well I do it to support a series. That's what "Fans" do...
Anyway, going by what people keep telling me about your past, I'm going to give up arguing with you.
brotkasten
Member
Red Chocobo
Banned
It's reported sales are actually double than Horizon's.
A PSP game, man. A PSP game....
brotkasten
Member
And? It sold 3.86 million units. I'm sure there are more GT fans out there than that. Shame on them for not supporting the game.
funkystudent
Member
Just out of curiosity how much did Need for Speed games sell back when they where the hottest thing around? So Underground 1-2 and the immediate games following that?
Probably the only other successful racers out there we can compare it to other then GT.
Probably the only other successful racers out there we can compare it to other then GT.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Well it was on a handheld.
I would put money on a PS3 GT spin-off hitting almost the same numbers as the main series.
brotkasten
Member
Real fans would buy a PSP for the series. How else could they support the series? A PSP is even less than a proper wheel, so it's not even that big of a deal.
So a highly popular racing game that has been hyped on PSP for a long time sold more than a brand new spinoff not even made by the same developer?
Big surprise...
You also left out the part of how it released a year before GT5 and people could use it to unlock cars in GT5, you know a lot of the sales came from people trying to scratch their GT itch.
Not to mention it came out FOUR YEARS before Forza Horizon, that's right you're comparing a GT game with a four year sales advantage that came out pre-GT5 to a spinoff of Forza.
ok, let me clear this out:
I like racing games, and for me to characterize a racing game successful or not,
general public sales is one of the last factors I care about, because it gives nothing to me.
if judged by strict sales terms, then I doubt that both gt and forza have "SOLD" all these millions, because both have been bundled with consoles.
also, by that factor alone, the need for speed series beats the shit as a racing game out of both gt and forza, since they have sold a ton of (most mediocre) games on a ton of platforms,
and for most of them, they got paid for, and not bundled.
I like racing games, and for me to characterize a racing game successful or not,
general public sales is one of the last factors I care about, because it gives nothing to me.
if judged by strict sales terms, then I doubt that both gt and forza have "SOLD" all these millions, because both have been bundled with consoles.
also, by that factor alone, the need for speed series beats the shit as a racing game out of both gt and forza, since they have sold a ton of (most mediocre) games on a ton of platforms,
and for most of them, they got paid for, and not bundled.
Keep dreaming on that one, if Gran Turismo: DriveClub a Arcade/Sim came out a year after GT5 on the PS3 it wouldn't sell even close to the amount as GT5. Not to mention it has to be advertised with the same dubstep crap as Horizon and all the other boyracer stuff.
He goes in every Forza thread to spin it negatively no matter what the point of the thread is, you should have seen him the in GT vs Forza thread.
BrokenSymmetry
Member
The best new feature in Forza 4 was noticed by relatively few people: The Cycled Production Hopper, online racing with fixed car/track combinations, without upgrades or tuning. Real racing.
Shame Turn10 hasn't been able to update this hopper more frequently (it was updated a handful of times in total, where once a month would be ideal).
Well, it seems we really do not waste any opportunity to make up for the recently lost playground, don't we..
I have to make a fundamental correction over this: the greatest new feature of FM4 was Simulation mode. And then comes the hoppers you've mentioned.
What was missed for REAL was the possibility to give much more highlight to Simulation mode with introducing a Simulation-mode hoppers with Cycled pre-requisites and with more laps. And with more updates to cycles, I agree. But we can be lucky they even existed, I still remember when famous "Expert No Assists" hopper with A&B classes-only from FM3 (which had option to keep ABS despite being "No Assists", imagine that twist) was removed and Che explained removal because "there was no interest".
I think it speaks for itself more-less.
I have to make a fundamental correction over this: the greatest new feature of FM4 was Simulation mode. And then comes the hoppers you've mentioned.
What was missed for REAL was the possibility to give much more highlight to Simulation mode with introducing a Simulation-mode hoppers with Cycled pre-requisites and with more laps. And with more updates to cycles, I agree. But we can be lucky they even existed, I still remember when famous "Expert No Assists" hopper with A&B classes-only from FM3 (which had option to keep ABS despite being "No Assists", imagine that twist) was removed and Che explained removal because "there was no interest".
I think it speaks for itself more-less.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Well I've put over 100 hours into every single Forza game. So I like to think I know what I'm talking about.
How do you know my second name?
Facundo_Lopez
Neo Member
guys, what are you arguing about? Gran Turismo series is MUCH bigger than forza series, it's like a comparison between halo and killzone.
Also, GT is nowhere the same in level as forza when you talk about bundles. Forza 3 was bundled 3 years with every xbox360. that's why it sold much more than the rest of the series.
The only GT game HEAVILY bundled was GT3, and that one sold more than 14M units.
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html
Also, GT is nowhere the same in level as forza when you talk about bundles. Forza 3 was bundled 3 years with every xbox360. that's why it sold much more than the rest of the series.
The only GT game HEAVILY bundled was GT3, and that one sold more than 14M units.
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html
Leaving it on the main menu for 100 hours doesn't count. Also this coming from the guy that broke two Forza Motorsport 4 discs and posted a picture of it on NeoGAF to make some kind of superiority joke.
This man speaks truth.
NFS is only comparable to Forza or GT now when combining platforms.
brotkasten
Member
It's a sales thread. There was no way this wouldn't happen.
Forza is the more popular now. EA even started to block Porsche in Forza games. I think it was hurting NFS sales.
Nobody told you what you should or should not like, you just made a odd comment about Forza being equal in popularity to Gran Turismo, which is flat out wrong. You can like personally what ever you want, if you think Forza is a better series, then great.
If someone made a comment that Killzone is just as popular as Halo, they would too get corrected, regardless of their personal feelings on what they like more or what factor they consider when judging a series.
EDIT: And no, sales are not indicative of quality, or which game/series is better. But they are indicative of which is more popular.
Well I've put over 100 hours into every single Forza game. So I like to think I know what I'm talking about.
How do you know my second name?
Then apparently you didn't spend much time on Forza 4's online community. Because the general consensus when Horizon was even ANNOUNCED was that no one would support it. 100 hours? Pfft, you gotta come better than that.
Red Chocobo
Banned
I would, but it's made up mostly of 10 year old crashers these days. Hard to find a clean race.
Neighter Killzone has the same size as Forza. Forza is the biggest racing game on the X360, and it is driving sales for europe. Killzone is far away from that. If not my mistake, Killzone 3 sold less than KZ2 and there's much more FPS's that sells more in the platform.
Forza is more in the scope of Gears, Uncharted, God of War.
Cycled Production Hopper.
The only way the scales would tip is if the next Xbox sells a lot more in Europe or if by some miracle racing games become more popular which isn't happening.
thats why I clarified what you quoted.
anyway, I guess my opinion about popularity has to do with people that are into cars, which is my line of business.
few years back, most of these people would go "huh? forza what?", but now the majority (of those who play or admit playing) prefers forza over gt.
and thats why earlier I wrote that gt is 15 years old, while forza is half of that, and if they keep the quality, I can see the scales tipping.
Yeah Forza has absolutely gained some ground and notoriety, it also helps that the games have all consistently been great. On the original Xbox the franchise was not as popular as it is today, especially since the original Xbox was not half as successful as the 360 is now.
If they keep making quality games they will just get more fans in time.
If they keep making quality games they will just get more fans in time.
Red Chocobo
Banned
The popularity of the Next Xbox is the biggest hurdle the Forza series has.
Here we go...
Your not related to Captain Obvious by any chance are you?
What's next?
The new Avengers movies success on release night is going to be determined by the amount of theaters showing it on release night?
well, basically it breaks down like this:
the shittier hardware it will have compared to ps4,
the more moneyhats microsoft will have to give for good games in order to push it.
and that means both 1st party and 3rd party exclusives.
so, at least for the first period of next nextgen gaming, you are good with it imo, without caring much about the h/w
So.....
What you're saying is that you DON'T know what you're talking about. You have very little experience with the community. Again, why are you in this thread if you're going to spread such (false) information? Take a step back, grab a bag lunch, look in the mirror, and realize you don't know as much as you believe you do.
What you're saying is that you DON'T know what you're talking about. You have very little experience with the community. Again, why are you in this thread if you're going to spread such (false) information? Take a step back, grab a bag lunch, look in the mirror, and realize you don't know as much as you believe you do.
And more MUSTANGS.
Wait... I didn't get my bag lunch!
Age-old exaggeration. You come across them once in a while. In fact, its a better time than ever to get online because most of the people still playing are the bigger fans who enjoy some good racing.
Some people are unlucky and have their first couple experiences online ruined by some asswads and never go back, but the highs outweigh these lows. Especially if you use the user-created lobbies, its not hard to find a good room full of clean racers(or at least ones who attempt to be clean, accidents are inevitable) who also use their mics. And this is where Forza really shines as one of the best online experiences out there. Forza 2 was very big in creating a great community because it was ALL user-created lobbies and those were great times. Forza 3 made some huge improvements in other areas, but went strictly matchmaking for public multiplayer, which wasn't nearly as good. Forza 4 has the best of both worlds and also has the brilliant Rivals mode, which provides a ton of fun.
I really think people who focus on single-player in these games really miss out on the best aspects of them.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Well, I don't visit the Forza comunity websites much because they don't have much activity and appear almost dead.
Also, the fact that they wouldn't even buy a spin-off game for a series that they love, doesn't make them look like decent fans :/
Remember our Top Gear race with the Megane? That was great.
You're really dense. I would explain it further in detail, but you've already put your foot in your mouth. Continue to post in an attempt to save face. It might work.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Why are Forza fans so aggressive?
Every time we have a debate, it usually ends up with the Forza side calling people names.
I guess you guys missed his posts in the versus thread
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56894238&postcount=19344
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56894238&postcount=19344
Red Chocobo
Banned
That was done as joke. Don't take it out of context.
Also, FordGTGuy sneakily edited out all his insults towards me, after I called him out on it in that thread.
What's to debate? The fact that you don't know as much as "you would like to" when it comes to Forza? Or that you're full of shit?
K Bro.
You're really desperate for attention aren't you?
What is your plan to spin every Forza thread into a GT vs Forza thread?
I really hope this is true but I'm not betting on it.
Red Chocobo
Banned
I'm out.
Not at all. Forza 2 was the game that made Forza 60FPS, gave it realistic physics at 360hz (3 and 4 had basically just tweaked it) and made it possible to use thousands of layers painting instead of just hundreds in Forza 1. It was the game that made Forza what it is. It was also the first game with engine swaps and the audio was better in some ways than Forza 4 even. The biggest problem with Forza 2 was really the AWFUL graphics that baffled anyone who had seen PGR 3 running on a 360.
I didn't buy Forza 4 because when the new game smell went away in Forza 3 I realized how similar it was to Forza 2.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
You know people say that Forza sells really well but I don't quite believe it. Do we have any any sales data?
Yup. I think someone mentioned a while back that GT5 is close to outselling the entire franchise.
Stop being ignorant. There are franchises that sell better on handhelds or sell better on consoles. A GTA or COD on handhelds will sell nowhere near the same amount as their console counterparts. Gt made its name not as a portable game but one with amazing visuals on the console. Thats where the audience. I find it simply absurd you think every fan has a wheel or will buy a PSP for such a game.
Yup. I think someone mentioned a while back that GT5 is close to outselling the entire franchise.
Stop being ignorant. There are franchises that sell better on handhelds or sell better on consoles. A GTA or COD on handhelds will sell nowhere near the same amount as their console counterparts. Gt made its name not as a portable game but one with amazing visuals on the console. Thats where the audience. I find it simply absurd you think every fan has a wheel or will buy a PSP for such a game.
brotkasten
Member
I think it's just as absurd to think that every fan of a console sim would buy the arcade dude bro spin-off.