In order to do that GT5 would need to sell 15.5 million copies, no Gran Turismo game has ever sold that much.
Close is not more.
Forza 3 the most successful Forza game?
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In order to do that GT5 would need to sell 15.5 million copies, no Gran Turismo game has ever sold that much.
Close is not more.
brotkasten
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GT3 comes close, with 14.89 million units sold.
NullPointer
Member
Forza 4 deserves more sales. I didn't like Forza 3 much, but 4 turned me into a believer.
Dat audio, dat dusk and dawn lighting, dem rivals, dat autovista. All dat.
But seriously, for audio alone its one hell of an upgrade. Beastly.
Dat audio, dat dusk and dawn lighting, dem rivals, dat autovista. All dat.
But seriously, for audio alone its one hell of an upgrade. Beastly.
except that zig-zag part in sidewinder, all other curves etc can easily be enjoyed in most small-medium sized tracks. or fujimi. I also like lower class cars
its still about 7 years younger. if it continues to provide this level of quality, I can see the scale tipping at some point in time.
If the 10 next Forza games each sold 5 million copies, it'd still be 5 million short of Gran Turisimo's numbers.
Psycho_Mantis
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Of course but it should do better than if the game was on a different price of hardware because the cost of entry is much lower.
Where are you getting these numbers form? Do you have source of the franchise's LTD? Please link because I have been asking for this for a long time.
Forza Motorsport 1 sold 1.5 million, Forza Motorsport 2 sold around 3.3 to 3.5 million and the rest are in the OP.
Source is not allowed on NeoGAF.
$27.99 Used $29.99 New
http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/forza-4/89166
Psycho_Mantis
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Lol the source not being allowed on neogaf tells me thats its not reliable or official at all. Don't tell me its chartz. Furthermore the number of players on a leader board is not a great indication on how many copies have been sold. I will aks this again do you have any official or reliable sales data?
Nevermind it was only on their forum.
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091029/carnews/910289987#ixzz2Suz5PR8j
The OP numbers are going to be a little less than the real number as it only includes copies that have ever connected to the internet. Which explains the 200,000 difference between the OP and the source above.
If anything the franchise is probably closer to 16+ million.
The sales success of GT lies in many things. It's been around since the stone age. It was a first on multiple fronts. The Sony brand...etc
The Forza franchise really deserves more credit. It has consistently upped it's game since the first title and has received higher ratings. It is growing in popularity though so that's something I guess.
Hopefully Turn 10 deliver FM5 in bigger and better ways...
The Forza franchise really deserves more credit. It has consistently upped it's game since the first title and has received higher ratings. It is growing in popularity though so that's something I guess.
Hopefully Turn 10 deliver FM5 in bigger and better ways...
Psycho_Mantis
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First, whats the source of those numbers on that site because I don't know the reliability of it or its accuracy.
Second it only covers FM1 and FM2. It says should for FM3.
FN2 to FM3 saw a big increase in popularity but I don't think FM4 did anything to the series popularity.
Look at the OP that's the number of unique players ever on it's leaderboards, add about .2 million or more to that and you have the real sales number.
There is no real evidence that FM3 was more popular than FM4, the sales can easily be explained by it being bundled in huge amounts.
phosphor112
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In order to do that GT5 would need to sell 15.5 million copies, no Gran Turismo game has ever sold that much.
Close is not more.
Excluding Horizon, I think it outsells it. I used to have the data (i posted it before). I don't recall though.
Valkyria
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I loved Forza Motorsport, more than GT3, but I could not get into Forza 2. I would like to go back to the series, but I don't know if I should go with Forza 3 or 4, the advantage of Forza 3 is the price though, I can get it really cheap from amazon.co.uk. It is more expensive the delivery than the game.
This thread is comedy.
We all know Forza is not a big of a brand as Gran Turismo.
But, we also know that Forza has 3 successive games on the 360 with 90+ rating on Metacritic, which made it the #1 rated racing franchise this gen. In comparison GT prologue & GT5 is sitting at 80 & 84.
But in these discussion, it's funny how the sales doesn't equal quality never comes up like it does for every other genre.
GT is the grandfather of the racing genre. No game in the racing genre will pull in the numbers of this franchise. We all love Grandpa.
When you compare GT is pretty much the #1 title in Europe, it sells big in Japan, and it also is a huge brand around the world.
What Turn 10 has done with Forza is slowly build a quality brand that's become a staple on the 360. If you want to go with the OPs numbers alone then it's franchise that's sold at least 10 million+ this gen for MS.
But, when you look at sales Forza now sells as much or more than GT in the US and sells half as much as GT in Europe. But, where Forza will NEVER gain on GT is around the resty of the world, especially Japan where it's pretty much nothing.
Forza 4 still is a clear success and an amazing game. If the goal is to somehow spin the quality of Forza 4 negatively because it didn't reach Forza 3 numbers, then we could easily do that for almost every franchise out there this gen, that have been fortunate enough to have 3 games successively on one console. Are we really now pretending that no game on consoles got bundles? GT5 got bundled worldwide on day one. Are we now discounting Forza 3 sales because of perceived early bundles?
GT is the #1 console racing franchise in the world bar none.
Forza is #2
I loved Forza 3 and 4. I feel like Forza 4 was miraculous on the 360. I can't imagine what Turn 10 is going to pull off next gen, but I will be there day one.
I also think it's great that PD learned from GT5 and is going to end the gen with a bang with GT6 and I predict the game get 100% from IGN this go-around to make amends.
We all know Forza is not a big of a brand as Gran Turismo.
But, we also know that Forza has 3 successive games on the 360 with 90+ rating on Metacritic, which made it the #1 rated racing franchise this gen. In comparison GT prologue & GT5 is sitting at 80 & 84.
But in these discussion, it's funny how the sales doesn't equal quality never comes up like it does for every other genre.
GT is the grandfather of the racing genre. No game in the racing genre will pull in the numbers of this franchise. We all love Grandpa.
When you compare GT is pretty much the #1 title in Europe, it sells big in Japan, and it also is a huge brand around the world.
What Turn 10 has done with Forza is slowly build a quality brand that's become a staple on the 360. If you want to go with the OPs numbers alone then it's franchise that's sold at least 10 million+ this gen for MS.
But, when you look at sales Forza now sells as much or more than GT in the US and sells half as much as GT in Europe. But, where Forza will NEVER gain on GT is around the resty of the world, especially Japan where it's pretty much nothing.
Forza 4 still is a clear success and an amazing game. If the goal is to somehow spin the quality of Forza 4 negatively because it didn't reach Forza 3 numbers, then we could easily do that for almost every franchise out there this gen, that have been fortunate enough to have 3 games successively on one console. Are we really now pretending that no game on consoles got bundles? GT5 got bundled worldwide on day one. Are we now discounting Forza 3 sales because of perceived early bundles?
GT is the #1 console racing franchise in the world bar none.
Forza is #2
I loved Forza 3 and 4. I feel like Forza 4 was miraculous on the 360. I can't imagine what Turn 10 is going to pull off next gen, but I will be there day one.
I also think it's great that PD learned from GT5 and is going to end the gen with a bang with GT6 and I predict the game get 100% from IGN this go-around to make amends.
Based on what? The idea that some people never played with an internet connection? Are you taking into account used game sales (more than one entry on the leaderboard from just one sale)? Because my gut says the number of used game sales would be close if not greater than the number of people who bought a 360 and played Forza without ever being connected to the internet.
GT5 has sold over 10 million which is still 5 million from outselling Forza. Also excluding Horizon isn't saying much considering it didn't sell in a big way.
I'm basing it on the difference between the sources sales number and the unique leaderboard count supplied by the OP, there is a .2 million difference. It would only make sense that a similar trend happened with the other games also. For that matter imagine the amount of Forza 3 copies that came in bundles that people didn't even put in their Xbox.
It deserves it's lowish sales since you can't race your friends for free online.
The biggest shackle of the Forza franchise is being Xbox exclusive.
Add the 5.5M GT5P sales, and it outsells Forza. Not a bad feat to outsell 5 (I'm assuming FM1 + FMH are included in that 15M figure) games with 1.25 games.
We're not talking about GT5P though, it's unfair to lump them together considering pretty much everyone that bought GT5P bought GT5. It's a strawman anyway as the point he was saying was the GT5 has outsold the Forza franchise.
Great logic you have there..
phosphor112
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I don't understand your argument. What about all the Forza 2 fans that bought Forza 3's? Or 4's or the Ultimate packs for each one?
NullPointer
Member
Yeah, how'd that other game even get in here?
The statement was that GT5 outsold the Forza franchise, the franchise would include every copy of Forza Motorsport no matter the edition.
Of course if you start lumping in other versions of GT it's going to outsell Forza that's only common sense but it's also not the point I'm going against and no GT5P =/= GT5 as they were sold and considered to be separate games.
With the same logic, it's unfair to lump all Forza sales into one since most people who got FM2 got FM3, and those who got FM3 got FM4.
I'll modify his argument and say GT5 + Prologue outsold the entire Forza franchise, now that's a true nondebatable argument.
You mean the logic of more platforms = more sales? Yeah, that's really bad logic.
Nice post.
But the 100% from IGN will never be achieved unless the audio has been COMPLETELY OVERHAULED for GT6
Cmon Kaz deliver unto me auditory heaven.....15th is coming.
You're not part of this stupid statement coldfoot.... For the love of everything good in this world stop twisting my argument into me saying Forza has outsold GT because it hasn't.
I'm arguing against a statement I'm not making a statement of my own.
You can't modify his statement for one it's immature and just makes you look childish, what are you a politician?
His statement was that GT5(and only GT5) has outsold the Forza franchise by itself.
You know what it wasn't even a statement it was just something we were talking about and you guys had to come in and throw logical fallacies at it.
Where are the numbers showing Forza selling as much as GT in the US?
Nice post.
But the 100% from IGN will never be achieved unless the audio has been COMPLETELY OVERHAULED for GT6
Cmon Kaz deliver unto me auditory heaven.....15th is coming.
I believe!
GT6 might end up the highest rated game this gen. But your right. IGN will give it a 98%
eso76
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2 to 3 was a huge leap, between remodeling 500+ cars in great detail + cockpits and the inclusion of a good amount of new tracks including long positano and fujimi kaido.
4 was more like 3 perfected, not a lot of new content.
I'm sure a lot of stuff t10 had been working on was cut or didn't make it in fm4.
Weather and night racing were both supposed to be in the game, gimkana, rally, according to empty slots in fm.net tracks page it should have featured 4 more tracks, either dlc or regular.
Insiders swear t10 went to either Bathurst or Spa, we were supposed to be getting dlc tracks ('tracks are being made, we don't know when they'll be released') and so on.
Some of that went in horizon, some was saved for fm5.
That's why I believe fm5 will be a significant leap, despite a relatively short development period.
4 was more like 3 perfected, not a lot of new content.
I'm sure a lot of stuff t10 had been working on was cut or didn't make it in fm4.
Weather and night racing were both supposed to be in the game, gimkana, rally, according to empty slots in fm.net tracks page it should have featured 4 more tracks, either dlc or regular.
Insiders swear t10 went to either Bathurst or Spa, we were supposed to be getting dlc tracks ('tracks are being made, we don't know when they'll be released') and so on.
Some of that went in horizon, some was saved for fm5.
That's why I believe fm5 will be a significant leap, despite a relatively short development period.
Oh hell yea. You nicked me in the 2nd to last corner of the last lap, right? Bastard.
Psycho_Mantis
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The sources sales numbers have not been proven true or official. Furthermore as the previous poster said no person in their right mind looks at leader boards to see how much a game sells. There are several ways to get on the leader board (multiple accounts, used game being the biggest) without contributing a sale to MS.
I would like to know this too.
Well we don't even have conclusive data for the forza franchise LTD.
Red Chocobo
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Why was it closed anyway? I thought it was a great thread, and it was all in good spirit
