Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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HyruleGuardian
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[repeating my last post]
Episode 1.
Remember how the Starks come across the Direwolves?
The mother wolf is dead. The wolf pups are parentless. The pack is torn apart.
The Stark family being torn apart was telegraphed from the beginning.
But I believe this story will belong to the Stark children more than anyone else.
Three of them are dead. A happy ending for that family isn't even possible anymore.
All the baby direwolves were together though except for Ghost.
HyruleGuardian
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Well yeah, they start together, but get torn apart.
Still, the symbolism of the dead mother is now obvious.
And Ghost is a symbol of Jon being the outcast, of course.
Bonus! Remember what killed the mother direwolf? What part of what animal? Jog your memory!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSp5bd2hGX0
kellycandthedragons
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My friend told me that that was actually why everyone was so wary in that scene. I remember being like "okay? So two animals fought. You don't see this every day?"
HyruleGuardian
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Exactly. "Happy Ending" defined in classical terms is already impossible.
But that doesn't mean the Stark children can't make their marks.
George RR Martin obviously likes doing things the audience doesn't expect.
And at this point, it seems like the audience is counting the Starks out.
"When winter comes, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives."
Psychoward
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I think it depends on how much time skips by, Arya could very well end up killing a ton of people, and Sansa may finally stop being so naive. Bran has the power to control minds and Jon could help against the Wildling and/or White Walker invasion.
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Haha, holy shit. These are killing me.Had to feel sorry for Ygritte when Jon left her.
I'm guessing he'll make it up to her at some point. He is loyal, after all.
HyruleGuardian
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I think all 4 Stark children will end up having a huge impact on what is to come in the story. (not sure about Rickon)
The most difficult one to see that happening for is Sansa, but I have a feeling that she's not going to stay a pawn forever.
Yup! Dat foreshadowing from 2 books/seasons ago!
Had to feel sorry for Ygritte when Jon left her.
I think he made the wise choice, the ginger man might have killed him or her if he went back for her. Too much confusion in that situation. Maybe they will see each other again.
Zoso Achilles
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Not book shit dude, show shit. Jamie has been in captivity from like the end of S1 or beginning of S2, can't remember. He can't possibly have had a role in planning the Red Wedding, they didn't let him use his iPhone to call home.
But I'm with you man, if they reveal Jamie has a personal cloning machine next episode I'll be just as shocked as you. I'll then promptly turn the show off because that's fucking stupid.
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TheOohChild
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Had to feel sorry for Ygritte when Jon left her.
I feel happy for Jon he got away from her. She is a stage 5 clinger
masterkajo
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Ok... OMG. Ok... I am sooo happy that I did not read the books before hand. Was tempted several times but this made this soo much more tragic.
(spoilered just in case)
Last I seen him was when the crows attacked the creepy dude that had all the daughters and feed his sons to the white walkers. I guess he might be in the vicinity of Sam and the girl, maybe?
From the moment the door closed I knew something was up but DAMN! - If I recall correctly, from the moment Robb's wife got attacked up to the end of the credits I did not move an inch. I couldn't. I had both my hands covering my mouth wanting to scream, but was only whispering helplessly "No...No...No...".
As much as I hate what happend, it was soo wonderfully well done and effective. The only upside to this tragedy is that this is hopefully the ultimate low-point for the Stark family. Though I already thought similar when Ned died... I really hope the remaining Stark children can finally find together and stand strong and bring vengeance to all that deserve it!
As much as I hate what happend, it was soo wonderfully well done and effective. The only upside to this tragedy is that this is hopefully the ultimate low-point for the Stark family. Though I already thought similar when Ned died... I really hope the remaining Stark children can finally find together and stand strong and bring vengeance to all that deserve it!
Last I seen him was when the crows attacked the creepy dude that had all the daughters and feed his sons to the white walkers. I guess he might be in the vicinity of Sam and the girl, maybe?
Chie Satonaka
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FFS.
Jamie Lannister does NOT have a heart of gold.
Jesus. A scene in the bathtub about something that may have happened in Kings Landing and everyone's all up ons. I'm not saying I hate the guy, but "heart of gold" is really stretching it.
It is not show shit to say whether or not
the Lannisters were directly involved with planning the wedding
Why are you posting here? Please just tell me why you feel the need to constantly come here and "clarify" plot points, all the while not making it clear that you've read the books?
And the infuriating LOL WELL IT'S OBVIOUS you always pull... it may have been obvious or even likely, but as soon as you tell us we can't even doubt it. Lots of things that aren't obvious happen.
You're being incredibly selfish, please just go away.
Nameless
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Been on the Dany train far too long to jump off now but I definitely worship The Lord of Light on the side.
But it's Team Melisandre. Her whole spiel about the lamb & the blade leads me to believe Stannis is just a pawn in her and the one true God's master plan.
storafötter
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What a crazy ending. Due to hearing the the outrage online before knowing what happened I actually thought about this scenario but I thought it be too crazy to be true. Poor Starks.
Anyone else got a tear in their eye when the credits rolled? It was more from shock rather than sadness lol.
Anyway this might be a stupid question but where is Jon Snow's Wolf?
Edit: also I'm sensing a jealous tragedy later on with the dragon ladies "boyfriends".
Somewhere north of the wall. It couldn't climb with him.
To me it's the case of living as the king slayer all his life, that has had a huge effect on his life. I believe he let this negative image get to him and it became part of his character, this character has led him to making some questionable moral choices, like pushing a boy out of a window to protect his sister. But deep down he's not an evil person, just a person tainted by a hard life.
Ah yes! thanks.
IAmtheFMan
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I'll just quote what RedShift said pre-Red Wedding.
Book readers should really stick to this.
And me...
me said:
Book readers should really stick to this.
Battle Born
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He's somewhere beyond The Wall.
Edit: I was too slow...
I think Stannis understood her meaning in the lamb comments, and is weary of her now, even if he believes the Lord of Light is real. Hence releasing Davos to watch his back again.
If I was him, I'd be shitting myself, seeing that Melisandre gets her powers from the King's blood. I just get the feeling that if he was ever to claim the iron throne, Melisandre would sacrifice him the moment he sat on it.
I feel like I'm supposed to dislike The Hound but I find myself enjoying him, and not in a "love to hate him" kind of way. Plus I'm liking the interplay between him and Arya. I'm hoping their partnership (kidnapping) continues for a little while.
MisterNugNug
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And the way Brienne address him as Ser Jaime as she says goodbye to him at Harrenhal. The look on his face, that hit him hard. I mean for the longest time people are taunting him as "Kingslayer", even Brienne. But for the time they spent together, I think she sees some good in him. And redemption isn't unattainable for someone like Jaime.
Chie Satonaka
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If Jamie Lannister wasn't having sex with his sister, House Stark would still be chilling out in Winterfell, unconcerned with the murderous bullshit of Kings Landing. Yes, I know this is inconvenient for the storyline, but my point is basically fuck that guy. After the Red Wedding, even Tyrion was knocked down to neutral. He's gonna have to do some awesome to get back into my good graces.
I just want it to be Sunday so I can put this show out of mind again until January. This last episode wounded me. For everyone that says "I'm done." I can't blame you. It was a hard watch.
I shall reward you nevertheless, I will find a piece of land and a wife as a reward for you, that's a promise.
Maybe I shouldn't make promises I can't keep, this episode should have taught me that lol
Miss.Selfdestruct
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They don't really go deep into the family backgrounds in the show that can explain a lot of the magical stuff going on now.
This video explains the Targaryens' background (and touches on the Dragon control) pretty good without any spoilers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnfYj-cHM5c
Redemption is what I predict will be Jamie's theme from now on. I think there will be a clash between Jamie and his father decisions, and maybe Jamie and Tyrion can team up and become real bros lol.
Got mini spoiler'd by this shmuck: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60891425&postcount=48
so I was expected something but nothing that bad. Goddamn, I love this show. In other shows you always expect the heroes or main characters to stay alive, but not here.
so I was expected something but nothing that bad. Goddamn, I love this show. In other shows you always expect the heroes or main characters to stay alive, but not here.
Sorry if this is a repost, searched and everything.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/oh-shit-i-totally-forgot-that-happens,32673/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/oh-shit-i-totally-forgot-that-happens,32673/
George R. R. Martin said:
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Onion.
tauroxd
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I hope that you know how the Onion works...
DrForester
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Funny thing is, I don't think we can rule out the possibility that Martin really wrote that...
It would be weird if he forgot that.
Hours Left
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The Red Wedding also overshadowed the single best line of the entire series.
"Hodor! No more hodoring!"
I will say this forever.
"Hodor! No more hodoring!"
I will say this forever.
What I love about this Onion article is this part of the joke:
Because in actuality, it really illustrates just how monumentally big of a troll GRRM and the showrunners are. I mean, holy fuck, you let Arya see the promised land like that and then take it away from her at the last possible second, only to enhance the horror by ensuring WE know that the reason for this is that her family is inside getting mercilessly slaughtered
I really can't believe how trollish it still feels. Amazing, but definitely feel trolled still lol
GenocidalMarshmallow
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Okay that penultimate episode 9 was really depressing and made me sad and angry. It definitely had an emotional impact seeing them all die as I had grown attached to them and I was definitely shocked and almost cried. That being said, it did what most shows don't do and killed off important "good guy" characters after we had been so attached to them and managed to surprise us like Ned Stark's death and therefore made some damn good television. So I love that it was such a great episode but sad that Robb and the others are dead.
According to the HBO viewers guide (it's just about the show I don't read the books) House Bolton already rebelled once plus Bolton let Jamie go without telling Robb so I guess I shouldn't have been so surprised to see him betray the King of the North. I guess no one takes their vows seriously anymore.
Some questions about things I don't understand:
1. What happened to that Edmure guy that married the only attractive Frey girl? Are they really going to kill him after he married one of his daughters and made a powerful alliance?
2. People have pointed out that Blackfish guy went to take a piss, and I believe he said he needed a tree outside, so is it possible he escaped? I don't remember seeing him die but it's hard to remember what everyone looks like with all the secondary characters.
3. How in the world did they manage to slay the entire Northern Army? I mean in that hall we say a few dozen people die and Robb, Cat and Talisa, but according to you guys Robb's ENITRE NORTHERN ARMY was slaughtered as well. How do you destroy such a large force? I get that they were getting drunk and fat feasting and were ambushed/betrayed so they were caught off guard, but Robb must have had at least 10,000 men or so so if his whole army was there I just don't see how all of them could be killed so easily without some escaping or inflicting heavy Frey casualties even if they were caught unawares. Thousands of men would fight back for their king or flee to regroup and counter, would an ambush really make their numbers that ineffective?
4. ROOSE FUCKING BOLTON! Okay, he's alive for now but were his troops spared or was House Bolton slaughtered too with the rest of Robb's Bannermen and entire army and Bolton just watched a his House get slaughtered and didn't care because he'd live and acquire wealth or power. If they weren't killed, would House Bolton really follow their leader knowing he had betrayed Robb Stark, their leigelord and King of the North. Bolton swore fealty to Robb and broke his oath and murdered him. House Bolton would either be loyal to Roose or royally pissed and revolt because they are subservient to house Stark and he was their king. Even Locke, the guy that cut off Jamie's hand, did so because he was bad mouthing them and their losing cause and he was loyal to Robb and the North.
5. Would the rest of the North outside of House Bolton follow Roose as their leader or would they amass more milita troops and revolt? The North will never forget and I can't imagine Bolton ruling the North instead of Robb and everyone forgiving and following him after he backstabbed their king. When they find out they probably will kill Roose and attack house Bolton, no way their letting their king and all their slaughtered brothers and fathers who were in his army go unavenged.
6. The Tullys will want revenge on Frey and Bolton. Cat's breastfeeding sister was neutral for a while, even when she captured Tyrion for Jon Aryn's death. Now that her sister is dead, will she help rally troops and contribute to the North's side of the war?
7. Littlefinger is getting even more powerful just as Varys feared. Will he do anything to avenge Cat, whom he loved?
And...
For the love of God, WHY ROBB!!!???
According to the HBO viewers guide (it's just about the show I don't read the books) House Bolton already rebelled once plus Bolton let Jamie go without telling Robb so I guess I shouldn't have been so surprised to see him betray the King of the North. I guess no one takes their vows seriously anymore.
Some questions about things I don't understand:
1. What happened to that Edmure guy that married the only attractive Frey girl? Are they really going to kill him after he married one of his daughters and made a powerful alliance?
2. People have pointed out that Blackfish guy went to take a piss, and I believe he said he needed a tree outside, so is it possible he escaped? I don't remember seeing him die but it's hard to remember what everyone looks like with all the secondary characters.
3. How in the world did they manage to slay the entire Northern Army? I mean in that hall we say a few dozen people die and Robb, Cat and Talisa, but according to you guys Robb's ENITRE NORTHERN ARMY was slaughtered as well. How do you destroy such a large force? I get that they were getting drunk and fat feasting and were ambushed/betrayed so they were caught off guard, but Robb must have had at least 10,000 men or so so if his whole army was there I just don't see how all of them could be killed so easily without some escaping or inflicting heavy Frey casualties even if they were caught unawares. Thousands of men would fight back for their king or flee to regroup and counter, would an ambush really make their numbers that ineffective?
4. ROOSE FUCKING BOLTON! Okay, he's alive for now but were his troops spared or was House Bolton slaughtered too with the rest of Robb's Bannermen and entire army and Bolton just watched a his House get slaughtered and didn't care because he'd live and acquire wealth or power. If they weren't killed, would House Bolton really follow their leader knowing he had betrayed Robb Stark, their leigelord and King of the North. Bolton swore fealty to Robb and broke his oath and murdered him. House Bolton would either be loyal to Roose or royally pissed and revolt because they are subservient to house Stark and he was their king. Even Locke, the guy that cut off Jamie's hand, did so because he was bad mouthing them and their losing cause and he was loyal to Robb and the North.
5. Would the rest of the North outside of House Bolton follow Roose as their leader or would they amass more milita troops and revolt? The North will never forget and I can't imagine Bolton ruling the North instead of Robb and everyone forgiving and following him after he backstabbed their king. When they find out they probably will kill Roose and attack house Bolton, no way their letting their king and all their slaughtered brothers and fathers who were in his army go unavenged.
6. The Tullys will want revenge on Frey and Bolton. Cat's breastfeeding sister was neutral for a while, even when she captured Tyrion for Jon Aryn's death. Now that her sister is dead, will she help rally troops and contribute to the North's side of the war?
7. Littlefinger is getting even more powerful just as Varys feared. Will he do anything to avenge Cat, whom he loved?
And...
For the love of God, WHY ROBB!!!???
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