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http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/29/sarah-palin-floats-idea-of-leaving-republican-party-video/
Palin open to forming a new true conservative™ party
Palin open to forming a new true conservative™ party
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I love how these delusional people keep needing to move further right. Establishment Republicans not true conservatives? Tea Party! Those guys did one thing I don't agree with? New Freedom Party!
Truly the dregs of humanity. The stupid, stupid dregs.
To whom she will tease to suck dollars out of dopes and not actually run. Such a charlatan.
translation: No one's talking about me anymore. Look at meeeeeee! Come on, even if it's just for a few minutes!
"But we can only do this with support from you, the true conservatives. Donate to my SuperPAC so I can gauge the interest."
Oh good god, YES.
I've mentioned this before, but it's surreal to see a Teabagger civil war. What's the first thing they'll fight about?
Which side gets to keep the confederate flag.
Stolen from Colbert.
Oh by the way, surprised I haven't seen much talk of this:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...-just-got-his-recess-appointments-power-back/
Obama needs to go on an appointment spree while he still can.
NYCmetsfan
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Can he reappoint people that fell under the pro forma time period?
Dr. Pangloss
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Thinking about McCain and 2008, there were all those allegations that he was going to die in his first term. Guy is still going. People can make up a lot of stuff to justify their vote.
Angry Fork
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What are the chances Al Gore tries to run again for 2016?
PhoenixDark
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She's trolling the GOP as usual. I'd imagine some fringe folks will create a new party, but ultimately the far right's biggest names will stay within the power structure of the republican party.
There's a huge difference in stress and energy levels between a senator and the president - just look how its aged Obama.
Rhomega Beta
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Guess being a libertarian isn't good enough? That's where Glenn Beck went after he felt the Republicans were too far left.
The Librarian
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Besides those that are introducing bills into Congress that declassify FISA court opinions. There are even some conservative Democrats in there, too!
Maybe if they resign, I don't see how he can recess appoint someone if there is no vacancy though.
I doubt he would, it weakens his hand on doing them during future pro forma sessions, and looks like he is "admitting" it was shady which is a bad idea given ongoing challenge to previous appointments during pro forma sessions.
Edit: I wish recess appointments were the exception. Holds and filibusters of appointments should be limited in duration, that cabinet and judicial nominees can't get an up or down vote is a joke. Truly bad nominations will still get tabled IMO
worldrunover
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Sarah Palin is in no way a libertarian.
PhoenixDark
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Not talking about senators and congressmen, I'm referring to commentators and bloggers. We're seeing an interesting divide between Digby types and those more focused on pure politics (ie protect my guy).
RustyNails
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Vuvuzela jokes
The Librarian
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Care to post any examples? Chait wrote about the NSA leaks as much as he did about Greenwald. In fact, most of the people I follow have been focusing on the content not the person and only mention the person when its relevant to the story (as when Greenwald uses hyperbole to poor effect).
PhoenixDark
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Sure when I get home. In general I like Chait, and while the Nader comparison is interesting it's just another story about...Greenwald. In general I've noticed some rather stupid attacks on him, alongside the typical spin Greg Sargent and others provide whenever a "scandal" erupts. In general I think some liberal bloggers are so used to automatically defending Obama against baseless charges from fact deprived conservatives that they go on defense autopilot whether a serious charge emerges.
SpeedySwaf
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I think that was mostly out of concern of Sarah Palin taking his place.
Yes, I would assume that Ginsberg will retire in the next year. Then what? Scalia and Kennedy are getting old, but I imagine both will try to hold on to see what happens in 2016.
Even then, that will give the court a 6-3 liberal slide, and we can really attack some of the most vicious policies that state GOPers have enacted over the past few years.
Thomas could literally die on the bench and no one would notice till the end of session.
Black Mamba
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http://www.nbcnews.com/video/meet-the-press/52355266#52355266
Maddow on meet the press destroys jim demint on gay marriage. Some other GOPer tries to play the victim card in response, lol.
Later that same guy argued the mid-term elections would be big cuz of it and when maddow pointed out that since then his group and the GOP lost all battles against same-sex marriage prior to the SCOTUS ruling and went from 9 to 12 states and now 13. Guy was all "yeah, but we got the evangelicals out to vote" and Maddow all "and still lost." lolz
Maddow on meet the press destroys jim demint on gay marriage. Some other GOPer tries to play the victim card in response, lol.
Later that same guy argued the mid-term elections would be big cuz of it and when maddow pointed out that since then his group and the GOP lost all battles against same-sex marriage prior to the SCOTUS ruling and went from 9 to 12 states and now 13. Guy was all "yeah, but we got the evangelicals out to vote" and Maddow all "and still lost." lolz
:lol
That's because of his invisibility cloak
Dude, you gotta stop posting stuff that I was just about to post! lol
The Librarian
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Ugh. I'm doing research for my environmental politics course and I'm looking at the Waxman-Markey bill that passed the House but died in the Senate, and, damn...god I hope we can pass something that ambitious the next time the opportunity arises. That bill had a clean energy standard and a cap-and-trade system!
Aaron Strife
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One half of the team is in the Senate now. Let's do it!
NYCmetsfan
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Discharge.
I am Michael Bolton
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Nancy Pelosi didn't help matters when she said the obvious:
Pelosi said:
Which I assume was on purpose =P Imagine the Tea Party folks in the House hearing this. I can see it putting them even further in the defensive position with regards to passing comprehensive immigration reform.
The Librarian
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Chait thinks it can be done.
Brian Beutler, on the other hand, is more than skeptical.
I'm inclined to agree with BB.
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/350614714910380032
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/350614960553992192
NYCmetsfan
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I'd have to see the districts and if there are 17. I don't think they can be seen to hold up progress, I still think there will be a conference and the bill will look more like the senate's and contain a pathway to citizenship.
I don't understand them. They literally are dooming themselves for two/four more years in Washington.
One thing that I don't think it always discussed when talking about the 2010 gerrymandering is the fact that their will still be migration and population changes within the decade. Its not going to radically change the game but I think it will make a few more competitive than conventional wisdom allows.
The Librarian
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I'm curious. How do you expect the House to pass an immigration bill when Boehner can't even corral 218 Republican votes for a farm bill?
Lies, Bush would have nominated a successor.
Unless he didn't notice :0!**
Boehner only needs 16 other Republicans. If Boehner wants to pass the Senate bill (edit: or anything that looks much like it), he can almost certainly do so.
Right now, I'm thinking that the most likely outcome here is that nothing ends up happening. The second most likely is that Boehner gets bought off; he brings the bill to the floor, it passes with almost only Democrats' votes, and then if Boehner gets deposed over it he takes a nice retirement at a pro-immigration conservative think tank. Next is Boehner doing the same thing after receiving assurances that he's not going to get deposed. Last is the discharge petition.
NYCmetsfan
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I think the farm bill is a different beast. Its not as "important" for the vast majority of representatives. Its much easier politically to oppose.
The Librarian
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Well, yeah, but my question wasn't under that context. Passing the Senate bill wouldn't make the two chambers go to conference. Presumably, if the two chambers entered conference, Boehner would want to enter it from a position of strength, and the best way to do that is to pass the bill with 218+ Republican votes. Which leads me back to my original question: How can Boehner pass an immigration bill with 218 R votes when he can't even get a farm bill through? Entering conference with a mixture of Democrat and Republican votes – hell, this is probably just as likely as with only R votes – would likely lead to chaos within the GOP rank and file as they fight over whose demands will be met.
https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/350995031701716992
https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/350994402577088514
https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/350993290688077825
Well, going from that standpoint of it not being important, you can take that view from the other side and say because it isn't important, it should've been pretty easy to pass. Remember, Boehner is a weak speaker.
PhoenixDark
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Some examples
While Willis finds fault with the scope of the plan, he has spent most of his time attacking Greenwald and Snowden, essentially arguing they had no right to reveal this (and the American people, somehow, should have found out on their own somehow).
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/nsa-leaks-nuance-me/
"Attack the messenger"
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/04/glenn-greenwalds-hilarious-denial-about-his-support-for-iraq-war/
I'll post more when I get back. I'm not a fan of Greenwald anymore, but he shouldn't be the thrust of the story.
NYCmetsfan
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You could make that argument but my point would be they can vote against an easy bill because they can sell their pet cause to their constituents. 'Look your congressman voted against food stamps!' And since the bill isn't 'important' that in their eyes is more beneficial than actually passing a bill. What are the downsides to not passing the farm bill for most of these guys elections?
I think there are quite a few republicans to whom the outcome of the immigration bill is vastly more important.
The question shouldn't be whether the GOP can block this but whether the speaker allows a vote. The bill can pass.
Why can't people defend the NSA if that's their opinion?
I don't think journalism has to opposed everything the government does if they agree with it. Obviously people don't find it outrageous enough.
Contrast that with the drone program were I think you find a lot more democrats opposing the President.
The Librarian
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Eh. I don't know who those guys are, and I've never heard of them before. Either way, that doesn't seem like a significant portion of commentators to me. There's always going to be a couple people who do that here and there on both sides.
For the farm bill, it cut food stamps, so I don't see why your first point would have any benefit. If the bill isn't that important, it should've been a lot easier to convince people to sign on because nobody is going to pay enough attention to it. All the farm bill did was underscore the fact that Boehner can't pass anything through the House with the support of his own caucus. We saw this with the Bush tax cuts earlier in the year where Boehner failed to move his compromise plan with the support of his caucus, and that *was* important.
Sure, a bill could pass the House, but only on mostly Democratic votes with a few Republicans. As of right now, I remain unconvinced he'll do that, and I also remain unconvinced that he could pass a bill that'll garner 218+ Republican votes.
cooljeanius
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Second term. At least that's more what I was thinking about...
Aaron Strife
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Oh GOP House shenanigans. Please double the gains I've projected for Democrats in my dream. Maybe even triple!
Imagine if Reid refused to pass bills without the majority of his caucus. Actually, it'd probably be the same seeing as how Democrats voted unanimously in favor of immigration reform just now. It's almost like they actually want to get something done!
Imagine if Reid refused to pass bills without the majority of his caucus. Actually, it'd probably be the same seeing as how Democrats voted unanimously in favor of immigration reform just now. It's almost like they actually want to get something done!
This shit again? I guess California is Conservative paradise because of Issa.
speculawyer
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She was loaded for bear going into that show. She hyped that MTP appearance on her Friday show.
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