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[nem8]

Congrats bro!

That said, how can anyone from the US complain about TV prices is beyond me. It's almost insulting to us EU/worldwide GAFfers. ((

Couldnt agree more..

But keep in mind that the salary is lower there compared to a lot of EUGAF, still, i'd own a nice TV if i lived in the US. Now im stuck with an old Panasonic PX80 42" plasma..

 

[GTI Guy]

Why are plasmas so fucking weighty? UGH. I was reading into all of the hype with the VT60, only to find out that its nigh impossible for me to get one shipped to my APO due to the weight. FML and the price was damn good too.

The Sony W900A looks decent for LCDs, is it really that big a step down from Plasmas?

How good of a deal and where from? I'm interested in this TV.

 

[LiK]

Why are plasmas so fucking weighty? UGH. I was reading into all of the hype with the VT60, only to find out that its nigh impossible for me to get one shipped to my APO due to the weight. FML and the price was damn good too.

The Sony W900A looks decent for LCDs, is it really that big a step down from Plasmas?

Plasmas have that heavy glass. It's pretty much the most annoying thing about them to me. Not easy to move around like with LCDs/LEDs.

This is the Sony set everyone loves?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWKBZ0M/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[vgJames]

About time for me to get another TV for the bedroom, I'll probably drop about £300-400. Might wait until 4K is affordable to replace the main TV though.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

Plasmas have that heavy glass. It's pretty much the most annoying thing about them to me. Not easy to move around like with LCDs/LEDs.

This is the Sony set everyone loves?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWKBZ0M/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Yeah that's the one, if it wasn't so pricey I would have jumped on board. That Tri-luminous display fixes so many issues I've got with LCD.

 

[LiK]

Yeah that's the one, if it wasn't so pricey I would have jumped on board. That Tri-luminous display fixes so many issues I've got with LCD.

I'll keep it in my cart. Hope it drops a bit on BF. Hopefully not as heavily watched like the Panny Plasmas.

 

[AlimNassor]

Plasmas have that heavy glass. It's pretty much the most annoying thing about them to me. Not easy to move around like with LCDs/LEDs.

This is the Sony set everyone loves?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWKBZ0M/?tag=neogaf0e-20

does it come cheaper? Say like 32" and below 1000?

 

[iamshadowlark]

How good of a deal and where from? I'm interested in this TV.

About 1800 on ebay, it was from a reputable seller. Otherwise its usually around 2000 or so Not quite "cheap" in any sense but not the $3000 Panasonic still asks for it.

Plasmas have that heavy glass. It's pretty much the most annoying thing about them to me. Not easy to move around like with LCDs/LEDs.

This is the Sony set everyone loves?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWKBZ0M/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Yep. It got rave reviews as a gamer tv due to the super low input lag. And the PQ is said to be top-notch(for LCDs of course.) Its probably what I'm gonna pull the trigger on, but since its so close to next year, I might wait out CES. Eh, decisions.

 

[FallingEdge]

My w900a comes in later today. Ready for some glorious gaming and movie watching on it.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

My w900a comes in later today. Ready for some glorious gaming and movie watching on it.

It's the only TV I'm slightly jealous of Congrats.

Side note, man Sony is really hitting it out of the park with these displays recently. Where did that come from?

 

[Dibbz]

Guys, I'm looking for a cheap wall mount for my 37" Samsung. Need to swivel only a bit maybe 10-20 degrees, not much. Which brands are the best value for money? Anything I should look out for? Will be going onto a wall that is brick, I think :| It's not plasterboard I'm positive of that.

 

[LiK]

Guys, I'm looking for a cheap wall mount for my 37" Samsung. Need to swivel only a bit maybe 10-20 degrees, not much. Which brands are the best value for money? Anything I should look out for? Will be going onto a wall that is brick, I think :| It's not plasterboard I'm positive of that.

Check Monoprice. Great quality mounts for dirt cheap prices.

 

[GalacticMouse]

Guys, I'm looking for a cheap wall mount for my 37" Samsung. Need to swivel only a bit maybe 10-20 degrees, not much. Which brands are the best value for money? Anything I should look out for? Will be going onto a wall that is brick, I think :| It's not plasterboard I'm positive of that.

I picked up a pretty cheap mount from Amazon that's held up really well. I think the brand is "Cheetah Mounts". Mine has adjustable tilt, but does not swivel, I think it was $25.

This one for $40 includes the swivel feature and has some decent Amazon reviews: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002MYQTEI/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[spwolf]

My w900a comes in later today. Ready for some glorious gaming and movie watching on it.

its $2800 here for 55", way too expensive... and thats after a discount of 20%.

We Europeans gotta love the prices of electronics in the USA.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

Why are plasmas so fucking weighty? UGH. I was reading into all of the hype with the VT60, only to find out that its nigh impossible for me to get one shipped to my APO due to the weight. FML and the price was damn good too.

The Sony W900A looks decent for LCDs, is it really that big a step down from Plasmas?

No. The black level is not as good as a plasma, and the native motion resolution is also not as good, but I prefer the image on my W900a to my UT50 plasma(which is definitely not a top of the line plasma, though still pretty good), and it is perceptibly faster in twitch games.

The liquid crystals still have to twist and untwist, and that requires a non-zero amount of time, which introduces a natural smearing effect in moving scenes that cannot be defeated even with the most perfect motion compensation that exists today as it's fundamental to the technology.

This is what a strobing backlight fixes, and what Impulse mode is. While the pixel is in transit to its next color, you turn off the backlight. Once its at or very close to its intended color value, you turn the backlight back on. The downside is a drop in brightness and a slight flicker that only some people notice. The motion resolution in impulse mode really is very nearly equal to a plasma. I have both, I've tested it. You seem to already know that though, so I'm not sure the point of what I quoted.

 

[offtopic]

Yeah the high end LCDs are so close to high end plasmas in terms of video processing and black levels that the difference would be pretty much unnoticeable without test equipment a highly controlled test setting.

My opinion is that most people posting here (sure there willl be exceptions) would be better off with LCDs because almost every gamer I know spends most of their time with some to a lot of ambient light in the room. A high end plasma (vt, zt, 8500) really only has a slight edge if the room's lighting is highly controlled. If it isn't then the high end LCDs (w900, f8500) just look better as they just can put out so much more light than a plasma. I have patio doors, many windows, room lighting and reflected light off hardwoods/granite. And, yes, that is pretty extreme. However, I have a "Daylight" setting I put on my 8500 and I can watch/play any material just fine because it is putting out so much light. My old plasma? Sure, black levels were great at night but I couldn't see nearly as much detail during the day (even bright stuff like sports was sort of washed out). At night I just flip the video mode to "Night viewing" and my black levels approach the best plasmas (and are superior to low end plasmas). Sort of win-win except for the cost.

The person who posted yesterday who has a dark bedroom with no lights and heavy shades...he/she should go plasma. Other people need to really examine their viewing habits and get what works best for the way they use the tv and not necessarily how some reviewer rates it in a highly controlled test environment.

 

[ProjectGemini07]

Just bought the 50S60. Can somebody congratulate me so I don't feel as bad for my wallet?

Congrats, brah. You just bought probably the best bang for the buck display of 2013. My S60 comes next Friday, can't wait.

 

[Gintoki313]

I think it just depends on how close you plan to be to the TV. On a 32", the difference between 1080p and 720p is marginal in most cases. I actually have a 32" Samsung I purchased last year that is 720p. It was between that one and a 1080p 32" Samsung, and after looking at them closely side-by-side with different inputs (movies, sports, etc.), I didn't see much of a difference in clarify (other than the 1080p sported some better motion stabilization and what-not intrinsic to its higher price tag, but still images looked nearly identical). Now I am sitting maybe 5-6 feet away from the 32" (its a bedroom TV) and image clarity has never bothered me at 720p.

Thanks for the info.

I sit about 5ft away from my TV as well so I'm guessing I'll have the same experience. I think I'll just go with a 720p to lower the cost since the difference isn't too noticeable. I still might try to find a 720p 120Hz. I heard 120Hz will improve game's in motion and since this is my gaming/PC TV, I'll definitely need that.

 

[Trojita]

Yeah the high end LCDs are so close to high end plasmas in terms of video processing and black levels that the difference would be pretty much unnoticeable without test equipment a highly controlled test setting.

My opinion is that most people posting here (sure there willl be exceptions) would be better off with LCDs because almost every gamer I know spends most of their time with some to a lot of ambient light in the room. A high end plasma (vt, zt, 8500) really only has a slight edge if the room's lighting is highly controlled. If it isn't then the high end LCDs (w900, f8500) just look better as they just can put out so much more light than a plasma. I have patio doors, many windows, room lighting and reflected light off hardwoods/granite. And, yes, that is pretty extreme. However, I have a "Daylight" setting I put on my 8500 and I can watch/play any material just fine because it is putting out so much light. My old plasma? Sure, black levels were great at night but I couldn't see nearly as much detail during the day (even bright stuff like sports was sort of washed out). At night I just flip the video mode to "Night viewing" and my black levels approach the best plasmas (and are superior to low end plasmas). Sort of win-win except for the cost.

The person who posted yesterday who has a dark bedroom with no lights and heavy shades...he/she should go plasma. Other people need to really examine their viewing habits and get what works best for the way they use the tv and not necessarily how some reviewer rates it in a highly controlled test environment.

I wouldn't say they are close. LCD LED displays have to do some trickering to get them low, gradiant levels aren't nearly as comparable, and when the better displays try and use local dimming, the black levels in the zones where there are non-blacks are affected.

 

[offtopic]

I wouldn't say they are close. LCD LED displays have to do some trickering to get them low, gradiant levels aren't nearly as comparable, and when the better displays try and use local dimming, the black levels in the zones where there are non-blacks are affected.

I had two high end units (f8000 and f8500) in my home within days of each other. The numbers say they are almost even when the lighting is highly controlled and so did my experience with them. The only time they weren't even was when there was light in the room and the LCDs won going away...you can still make out grey scale variations that just aren't visible at all with plasma when they have to compete with other light sources.

 

[LaneDS]

Are the Panasonic VT plasma sets on the same level as the Samsung F8500 sets? I'm surprised by how much more expensive the Samsung sets are versus the Panasonic plasmas (and they're also a good deal more pricey than the only LCD set I'm considering, the Sony W900A). Could someone explain why the Samsungs are so pricey?

 

[Haint]

Are the Panasonic VT plasma sets on the same level as the Samsung F8500 sets? I'm surprised by how much more expensive the Samsung sets are versus the Panasonic plasmas (and they're also a good deal more pricey than the only LCD set I'm considering, the Sony W900A). Could someone explain why the Samsungs are so pricey?

Panasonics are on closeout pricing atm. The VT/ZT60's are as good or better than the F8500 depending on what you want (the Samsung has brighter peak light output, the Panasonics have better black levels). Samsung also has "premium" brand power with the masses which lets them get away with things like charging $400-$500 for 1024x768, Last Gen Dual Core Android Tablets, or $4000 for 64" plasma's.

 

[Applesauce]

Got my 60" VT60 in today and have been messing around with it. Played Shadow Warrior for roughly 30 minutes, and this set feels a little more responsive than my ST30 which was already fine for gaming. It is a shame they aren't going to make these anymore ... it is a fine television.

Also, going from a 46" to 60" set is fucking incredible. Perhaps I could have fit a 65" in this TV nook but I was afraid of the patio door hitting the TV.

 

[Trojita]

When I go to bed I'll have 33/100 hours breaking in of my VT60.

 

[Witchfinder General]

My wife picked up Pacific Rim on Blu-Ray today. Should be a nice show-off piece for my W900A and my recently upgraded 5.1 set-up.

 

[LaneDS]

Panasonics are on closeout pricing atm. The VT/ZT60's are as good or better than the F8500 depending on what you want (the Samsung has brighter peak light output, the Panasonics have better black levels). Samsung also has "premium" brand power with the masses which lets them get away with things like charging $400-$500 for 1024x768, Last Gen Dual Core Android Tablets, or $4000 for 64" plasma's.

Gotcha, thank you. Definitely pushes me towards purchasing a Panasonic in that case.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

Panasonics are on closeout pricing atm. The VT/ZT60's are as good or better than the F8500 depending on what you want (the Samsung has brighter peak light output, the Panasonics have better black levels). Samsung also has "premium" brand power with the masses which lets them get away with things like charging $400-$500 for 1024x768, Last Gen Dual Core Android Tablets, or $4000 for 64" plasma's.

While shopping for a panel, I wanted to upgrade from the GT series to the ZT or 8000 series. I had a ZT in my house for a few weeks, and after having it calibrated, I love the blacks and the overall picture quality of the ZT, but it was far too dim for me. That was the deal breaker. Once that display is ISF's it will most likely get dimmer. I'm willing to give up a little to get a brighter picture.

Honestly the PQ of the Sammy is on par, but brighter. The only way I noticed deeper blacks, was when it was side by side. And you REALLY had to look for it...

Got my 60" VT60 in today and have been messing around with it. Played Shadow Warrior for roughly 30 minutes, and this set feels a little more responsive than my ST30 which was already fine for gaming. It is a shame they aren't going to make these anymore ... it is a fine television.

Also, going from a 46" to 60" set is fucking incredible. Perhaps I could have fit a 65" in this TV nook but I was afraid of the patio door hitting the TV.

Always go as big as possible...

...always!

 

[Zabojnik]

When I go to bed I'll have 33/100 hours breaking in of my VT60.

Just leave it on 24/7 running slides. What could go wrong?

 

[Trojita]

Just leave it on 24/7 running slides. What could go wrong?

I live in a studio. I'd leave it on while I'm at work, but I've had a couple of times where my last tv would restart due to I'm guessing electrical screwups. I don't want to chance it restarting without the slides running.

 

[Zabojnik]

I live in a studio. I'd leave it on while I'm at work, but I've had a couple of times where my last tv would restart due to I'm guessing electrical screwups. I don't want to chance it restarting without the slides running.

Speaking of this. I presume there is a 'sleep timer', 'auto turn off after X minutes' or whatever the option is called on the Panny plasmas?

 

[thebigkahuna]

Panasonics are on closeout pricing atm. The VT/ZT60's are as good or better than the F8500 depending on what you want (the Samsung has brighter peak light output, the Panasonics have better black levels). Samsung also has "premium" brand power with the masses which lets them get away with things like charging $400-$500 for 1024x768, Last Gen Dual Core Android Tablets, or $4000 for 64" plasma's.

The Samsung is also sharper, has more clarity if that matters to anyone. Why people miss this is beyond me.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

The Samsung is also sharper, has more clarity if that matters to anyone. Why people miss this is beyond me.

+1

 

[coreyerb]

lol literally just bought the 55" last night. I'm very happy with my purchase so far. Spent a few hours messing with various color settings and found ones that I liked. For some reason all the ones I found online gave off a yellowish tint which was annoying, but I guess the skin tones were "natural..." go figure. Very happy with the PQ, it's miles better than the 7 yr old vizio it's replacing.

Unfortunately I sold my 360 so i can't report on game mode and the lag, but from what I've read there shouldn't be any issues. When i get my xb1 tomorrow i'll let you know how it fairs.

Hey thanks for the input. Let me know what you think with the X1 hooked up. I just got a PS4 and my 4+ year old 42" Insignia isn't doing it justice. I've mostly been looking at the bigger name brands (Sony, Samsung) but was surprised by the reviews for this Vizio. I'd be happy to hear more impressions.

Be interested to hear thoughts on the Vizio M class as well. How is it with the Xbone?

 

[gotee12]

Be interested to hear thoughts on the Vizio M class as well. How is it with the Xbone?

My 55" Vizio M class is being delivered Monday. I really wanted a w900a but financially I had to go with the cheaper option. After an Amazon Prime discount they were running a few days ago and a couple gift cards, I'm getting the 55" M class for $798. I don't have an Xbone or PS4 but I do have a gaming pc with an hd7970 in it so I'll definitely be able to see how the tv performs with high end gaming. I'll mess with it for a day or two and then post my

Spoiler

very non-professional

thoughts on the tv for the greater good of CheapoGAF...

 

[MWS Natural]

So if I was to purchase a 4k TV for these new consoles would the upscaling introduce artifacts or look the same/better than native 1080p?

Stopped at Best Buy today and checked out the 4k setup they had. The Sony rep was there so we talked for a while and went through a few of the 1080p demo reels as well which looked great. I think the set is amazing but still the motion isn't as good as my Plasma sets. He played a scene from a soccer game and the motion of the ball didn't look natural and almost had a judder to it.

Not sure what direction to go in for my next set. I want something in the 65+ range but Plasma is being fazed out, LCD/LED still has motion issues and OLED isn't ready.

 

[offtopic]

Stopped at Best Buy today and checked out the 4k setup they had. The Sony rep was there so we talked for a while and went through a few of the 1080p demo reels as well which looked great. I think the set is amazing but still the motion isn't as good as my Plasma sets. He played a scene from a soccer game and the motion of the ball didn't look natural and almost had a judder to it.

Not sure what direction to go in for my next set. I want something in the 65+ range but Plasma is being fazed out, LCD/LED still has motion issues and OLED isn't ready.

High end LCDs don't have motion issues unless set up incorrectly.

 

[nib95]

Been burning in my plasma for days now (VT65). Used the 6 minute loop found in the link below (top file), I find it's even better than D-Nice's slides, as it has more gradients and variations. I actually edited a custom version to make it longer (2 hours) so I could keep it on the loop for longer periods.

http://hdtelevizija.com/download/download-korisni-video-materijali/

On a side note, I've already noticed a slight difference in image quality after about 50 hours or so of burn in, and I'm pretty sure it's not just my imagination. I feel like shadow detail and grayscale gradients are more accurate. Pre-burn in, watching Master Chef, the female chef, Monica Galetti's face was overly dark and had a bit too much red/brown in it compared to my calibrated Pioneer Kuro plasma, even with semi calibrated settings.

Post semi burn in, her facial colouring and complexion is now essentially the same as the Pioneer downstairs. 4-5 more days till the ISF calibrator comes round, so I need to get the rest of the burn in done pronto lol.

 

[CREMSteve]

Quick question for VT60 and PS4 owners... RGB Full Range set to Limited or Full?

 

[EasyMode]

High end LCDs don't have motion issues unless set up incorrectly.

What do you mean? Without backlight strobing the motion isn't good during quick panning or scrolling. Unless not using strobing is what you meant as being incorrectly set up. On my W900A Impulse mode does eliminate motion issues but the cost in brightness is a big draw back. I wish the backlights were capable greater brightness in this mode.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

High end LCDs don't have motion issues unless set up incorrectly.

What? It's not as terrible as it used to be. Personally, I find when the image is panning or moving fast, it's not as smooth. I have a high end Samsung, and I "prefer" the motion on my high end Samsung plasma.

 

[TheLawyer]

Okay, so I'm wanting to get a new TV (haven't bought one for quite a while) and it has essentially come down to the two plasma favorites of the moment; the Panasonic P50VT65B or the Samsung F8500. (I'm from the UK so they are both around the same price here)

Now, I've never owned a plasma TV and I am leaning toward the Panasonic but I'm still not sure. I've read some bits from this thread but nothing substantial; anybody seen both and would choose one over the other? Thanks!

 

[jett]

High end LCDs don't have motion issues unless set up incorrectly.

lol.

And LCDs smear the image in motion. Even the super expensive 4K TV sets I've seen.

 

[SnakeXs]

Been burning in my plasma for days now (VT65). Used the 6 minute loop found in the link below (top file), I find it's even better than D-Nice's slides, as it has more gradients and variations. I actually edited a custom version to make it longer (2 hours) so I could keep it on the loop for longer periods.

http://hdtelevizija.com/download/download-korisni-video-materijali/

On a side note, I've already noticed a slight difference in image quality after about 50 hours or so of burn in, and I'm pretty sure it's not just my imagination. I feel like shadow detail and grayscale gradients are more accurate. Pre-burn in, watching Master Chef, the female chef, Monica Galetti's face was overly dark and had a bit too much red/brown in it compared to my calibrated Pioneer Kuro plasma, even with semi calibrated settings.

Post semi burn in, her facial colouring and complexion is now essentially the same as the Pioneer downstairs. 4-5 more days till the ISF calibrator comes round, so I need to get the rest of the burn in done pronto lol.

You're breaking in your plasma. Not burning it in. That's some bad mojo.

 

[frogg609]

So a local place has the W900A for $2000.00, which means I could pick it up today.

However, if I order it from Amazon, (which won't get here until Dec. 3rd at the earliest), there is the off-chance that Amazon may put it on sale on Black Friday.

So what should I do? I'm torn.

 

[offtopic]

lol.

And LCDs smear the image in motion. Even the super expensive 4K TV sets I've seen.

"lol" obviously wins you the argument but I would submit that smearing or juddering of an image means the tv wasn't set up correctly for the content being displayed. I have neither judder nor smearing on mine.

 

[FallingEdge]

W900A won't go on sale for BF. Plus, Amazon has the 14 day price guarantee.

 

[mrklaw]

What do you mean? Without backlight strobing the motion isn't good during quick panning or scrolling. Unless not using strobing is what you meant as being incorrectly set up. On my W900A Impulse mode does eliminate motion issues but the cost in brightness is a big draw back. I wish the backlights were capable greater brightness in this mode.

Clear mode on my HX800 (few years old now) gives 1080 lines of motion resolution without adding interpolation or storing the backlight. I don't thnk you need to go as far as impulse mode to get good motion res these days.

 

[mrklaw]

About 1800 on ebay, it was from a reputable seller. Otherwise its usually around 2000 or so Not quite "cheap" in any sense but not the $3000 Panasonic still asks for it.



Yep. It got rave reviews as a gamer tv due to the super low input lag. And the PQ is said to be top-notch(for LCDs of course.) Its probably what I'm gonna pull the trigger on, but since its so close to next year, I might wait out CES. Eh, decisions.

I thought it was the W6 that got the great results? Is the W9 on par? Just a shame my TVs sit in a unit so I'm size constrained. 46" and 8-9ft away

 

[ChosenPredator]

so I check on that insignia input lag with rep from the company and he said it goes to 40-70ms regarding input lag D-: to bad cause its such a big tv from best buy

 

[No Love]

Time to start hunting down a 65" VT60 or ZT60 to replace my 50" S64 before they're all gone forever.