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[Bravocado]

Reading this topic is like a roller-coaster.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

What do you mean "believe"?

Whites are some of the most persecuted people on Earth.

 

[Timedog]

Welcome to the Opression Olympics! Let's now enjoy the glorious "tolerant" society that political correction has built for all of us.

Oppression olympics was not created by political correctness. That makes no sense. Most of the whites that think this way hate political correctness because it makes them have to actually use their brain a bit before speaking and try to at least attempt to come off as if they have some sort of empathy, which to them is a nuisance.

 

[AMUSIX]

solidarity, brothers, we will persevere

 

[Mumei]

We see it in the general reaction to stuff like the Trayvon Martin situation, and the outright dismissal many white people had at the notion that there was any racial aspect to the case, why Trayvon was followed, etc.

And it's not just that situation; it's a standard response for almost everything related to race. It's apparently never about race - it's about class, or how they were dressed, or how they were acting, or about 'culture,' or 'personal responsibility,' or a misunderstanding, or 'Well, how do you know exactly what he was thinking,'-isms when you've seen the pattern enough times not to give him the benefit of the doubt, or just a naturally occurring phenomena (like segregation or disparities in arrest, prosecution, and conviction rates) that somehow magically occurs on racialized lines.

It's fueled by this idea (largely held by white people) that we live in a post-racial world, where noticing and commenting on racial phenomena is the real problem. It's absurd - and irritatingly widespread.

 

[Ovid]

Yup. Had a friend telling me tonight that she was denied financial aid and stuff because she was white and had some money in the family.

I almost considered breaking contact with the person.

Reverse racism...this is the exact situation I mentioned on the first page.

I'm black and the person is white and they had the audacity to mention this bullshit to me. I was in a work setting so...you know.

 

[G.ZZZ]

This is one of my favorites. Black people sure did love the GOP before that Obummer bumrushed the white house playing thug music on airforce one.

While this is sorta funny, it also beg the question: how come it's only about african americans ? Thug life in europe is probably more widespread between whites than black. Granted, i don't know that many black people but still, i've seen some "ghettoes" in my life and they were all white.

 

[plagiarize]

And it's not just that situation; it's a standard response for almost everything related to race. It's apparently never about race - it's about class, or how they were dressed, or how they were acting, or about 'culture,' or 'personal responsibility,' or a misunderstanding, or 'Well, how do you know exactly what he was thinking,'-isms when you've seen the pattern enough times not to give him the benefit of the doubt, or just a naturally occurring phenomena (like segregation or disparities in arrest, prosecution, and conviction rates) that somehow magically occurs on racialized lines.

It's fueled by this idea (largely held by white people) that we live in a post-racial world, where noticing and commenting on racial phenomena is the real problem. It's absurd - and irritatingly widespread.

it's a great rule of thumb to just ignore anyone or anything that uses the term 'reverse' racism, or who talks about racism towards black people as if its in the past.

we slowly continue marching on in the right direction as a species. the paranoia you see in certain white people, their fear of some kind of backlash against them once they're no longer the majority... it's sad, absolutely, but it's also absolutely something that will be irrelevant in the long run.

things are going to be better when there ISN'T a majority.

 

[plagiarize]

While this is sorta funny, it also beg the question: how come it's only about african americans ? Thug life in europe is probably more widespread between whites than black. Granted, i don't know that many black people but still, i've seen some "ghettoes" in my life and they were all white.

because such distasteful behavior has more to do with class than genetics, and because in America the harm done to black people has kept them stuck in the ghettos long after the civil rights victories have faded from memory.

poor people turn to drugs and crime. black people in America tend to be poor from being largely ghettoed, and many white people have the audacity to say the real problem is that black people have an anti education, anti 'acting white' peer pressure thing going on.

a lot of black kids in America can't swim, for example, because the ghettoes didn't have swimming pools. so their grandparents couldn't learn to swim, so they couldn't teach their parents how, so their parents couldn't teach them how.

not a problem if you have money to pay someone else to teach your kids, but if you're poor, you don't have money like that.

 

[Slayer-33]

hahahahaha

 

[Slayven]

I love when GOP talk about not getting the black vote because of racism. It displays a lack of self awareness that is mindboggling.

 

[Ikael]

Nope. See, I believe that this mentality is the same one that leads to questions like "why can't we have a white culture club?"

It's a misunderstanding of why these groups exist in the first place. On the basic level, there are two reasons:

1) To provide a safe haven from discrimination throughout society
2) To preserve one's culture in a society that doesn't necessarily support it

White culture groups don't fit either of those bills, as Western culture largely revolves around white people.

These groups exist in the first place because of the same reason that any kind of social group exist in the first place. Tribalism is one hell of a drug that we all can enjoy regardless of our race. We all crave for identity, and we like to belong into a group. It is a very human thing to do and desire. But like everything else, when you take it to its extremes, it becomes absurd, as it is happening here.

Yes, discrimination based on race do happen. And yes, the claim that we are all living in a post racial world is patently false, if not pure denial. But what I deny is that racial identity, or "racial awarness" helps in any shape or form to avoid it or that ir provides of a safe haven from discrimination. I think that it causes the very opposite effects, and I fear that it is exactly what this whole "white racial awaraness" and victimization is causing: division, conflict, and more racial tension.

Oppression olympics was not created by political correctness. That makes no sense. Most of the whites that think this way hate political correctness because it makes them have to actually use their brain a bit before speaking and try to at least attempt to come off as if they have some sort of empathy, which to them is a nuisance.

It depends on what you consider to be political correction.

If being proud of your race is considered to be something positive...
If being opressed gives you the upper moral hand in a discussion...
And belonging to a minority is claimed to have an intrinsic value, as opposed to "the mainstream culture" that homogenize us all..

Then you're putting value in claiming to belong to an opressed racial minority. I don't know if these previous statements qualify under the nebulous "political correction" definition or not, but under these set of beliefs, people are going to actively seek for this "opressed minority badge", regardless of their actual personal situation and regardless of reality itself.

I don't believe for a second that whites are opressed in the US at all. It is a stupid thing to believe. But a part of them clearly sees the advantages of playing the race card, and by God they will play it. It is like the difference between victimism, and being an actual victim. You like the empathy that it brings, but not the whole package (for obvious reasons).

 

[TacticalFox88]

Hilariously, Gallup did a poll the year before the Civil Rights Act was inacted over 40+ years ago and 2/3rds of white people in 1964 thought that blacks had just as much opportunity to get ahead in life as whites.

1964!!!

 

[bill0527]

I look forward to the "freedom marches" when caucasians become a minority

Already happens.

Its called a Tea Party protest.

 

[.GqueB.]

..... white people. This is why things will never get better. Blacks have gone through 500+ yrs of barbaric horrors just to even try to be seen as equals. Still not equals, now whites are the victims. You win America.

The reason things will not get better is because we're all so quick to judge things like this. Dismiss it, call it stupid.

It's simply their experience and instead of deciding its all nonsense, it may be better to actually try and understand or talk about it. But that'd be too hard. Much easier to just call them all ignorant and maintain the us vs. them bullshit going on. This is why this county won't get any better any time soon. We fundamentally don't like one another so nothing gets done. People just yelling and complaining. Bitching about the next thing.

Yea someone said something dumb on Twitter. Great they got fired, now what? The internet celebrates, they find a new job and continue living their lives. Nothing is accomplished.

This is all so silly to me. We look around asking ourselves why. This is why. People are more concerned with calling people out than actually attempting to fix anything.

Whatever. I'm gonna go watch the last two episodes of the shield.

 

[Vermillion]

These groups exist in the first place because of the same reason that any kind of social group exist in the first place. Tribalism is one hell of a drug that we all can enjoy regardless of our race. We all crave for identity, and we like to belong into a group. It is a very human thing to do and desire. But like everything else, when you take it to its extremes, it becomes absurd, as it is happening here.

Yes, discrimination based on race do happen. And yes, the claim that we are all living in a post racial world is patently false, if not pure denial. But what I deny is that racial identity, or "racial awarness" helps in any shape or form to avoid it or that ir provides of a safe haven from discrimination. I think that it causes the very opposite effects, and I fear that it is exactly what this whole "white racial awaraness" and victimization is causing: division, conflict, and more racial tension.

See, this is what I call a "visibility paradox" (and there's probably an actual name for it, but). Oppressed groups need to be seen in order to call attention to the problems that they're facing, but they need to be invisible as well in order to fit in to society, and be treated as any other person. It appears that your problem is with the visibility part. A third reason people have those groups is for solidarity as they face oppression. These groups are necessary, even though they may appear counterproductive on the surface.

 

[Ovid]

Already happens.

Its called a Tea Party protest.

Gotta take back America you know.

 

[mckmas8808]

Well, probably not 'on the street' racism. But I couldn't say that's a wrong opinion. I think that reverse racism is even a factor here. Just being treated differently.

Overtly negative racism? I'm not so sure.

Anyway. racism is committed by everyone.

There is no such thing as reverse racism.

 

[mckmas8808]

These groups exist in the first place because of the same reason that any kind of social group exist in the first place. Tribalism is one hell of a drug that we all can enjoy regardless of our race. We all crave for identity, and we like to belong into a group. It is a very human thing to do and desire. But like everything else, when you take it to its extremes, it becomes absurd, as it is happening here.

.

So is the creation of the BET network a net negative for race relations? Things like BET, the NAACP, and Historical Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) only exist because of the white oppression and minority unfairness that existed back in the day or that also still exist today. Without it those minorities wouldn't have a voice to speak.

 

[Anion]

Wow
Much confused

 

[sixteen-bit]

There is no such thing as reverse racism.

if only i could get that time machine

 

[Arde5643]

Racism against white people:

• white people seeing minorities treated the same as white people
• white people seeing they're treated the same as other minorities

 

[DeerMan]

So its pretty much impossible for anyone to be racist towards whites?
Is that what I am hearing?

 

[aygomyownroad]

Racism against white people:

• white people seeing minorities treated the same as white people
• white people seeing they're treated the same as other minorities

Its subtle isn't it.

It was like at my old job in a laboratory. We had 4 Indians join the team. One girl said to me "see they all know each other its wrong they are getting all the jobs" she failed to grasp that they were the Best in their field and a great bunch.

Makes me sick that people still see colour. If you act that way your going to miss out on what could be excellent friendships.

 

[Fenderputty]

As a white male in my early 30's, I have never experienced racism in my life.

Its subtle isn't it.

It was like at my old job in a laboratory. We had 4 Indians join the team. One girl said to me "see they all know each other its wrong they are getting all the jobs" she failed to grasp that they were the Best in their field and a great bunch.

Makes me sick that people still see colour. If you act that way your going to miss out on what could be excellent friendships.

I watched my Muslim coworker have something similar happen. He was told that he works well with another employee here because they both have similar last names. I told him to go to HR, but he never did.

 

[Cyan]

Racism against white people:

• white people seeing minorities treated the same as white people
• white people seeing they're treated the same as other minorities

Essentially yes. There has been at least one study done in a classroom setting where boys were typically more frequently called on than girls. The experiment had the teacher start calling on boys and girls in identical numbers, carefully tracked, and it was found that the boys subjective experience was of the girls being called on more than the boys, and being upset about it.

Basically (this might be an over-broad conclusion, but what the hell), this suggests that as a minority gains equality, the group in power will experience it as a losing of their own rights, or of the minority now having more rights than them.

As black people make gains in power and as we make progress towards equality, white people will experience it as a loss of power and of increased inequality.

 

[Ultrabum]

I'm curious what Gaf thinks about this table from 2012

https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/2012factstable19.pdf

Here the aamc shows the average (and sub scores ) for the MCAT (entrance exam for med school).

The average accepted African American got a 26.8.

The average accepted white American got a
31.6.

Obviously there are many factors med schools look at, but mcat score is an important number for an applicant.

The aamc has many many other charts and tables the break applicants and matriculated applicants by race.

Because people will ask: I don't know if this is racist or not, but it is a fact that I find interesting, and appears pertinent to the discussion.

 

[Mumei]

Essentially yes. There has been at least one study done in a classroom setting where boys were typically more frequently called on than girls. The experiment had the teacher start calling on boys and girls in identical numbers, carefully tracked, and it was found that the boys subjective experience was of the girls being called on more than the boys, and being upset about it.

Basically (this might be an over-broad conclusion, but what the hell), this suggests that as a minority gains equality, the group in power will experience it as a losing of their own rights, or of the minority now having more rights than them.

As black people make gains in power and as we make progress towards equality, white people will experience it as a loss of power and of increased inequality.

Right, though you misremembered a few details:

In that case, it wasn't an experiment; it was an actual classroom. The teacher had decided, after reading about differences in how often boys and girls are called on, to make a point of calling on boys and girls evenly. She told the students what she was going to do, and used a sheet to keep track. Within a few days the boys began complaining that she was calling on the girls more than them, and the rest is essentially as follows in your post!

 

[Whitebison]

12 years a caucasian

 

[travisbickle]

Really ridiculous of course, but its fairly normal for people of any origin to always feel *they* are the persecuted ones.

I do think that anti-white racism is more common than people realize, though. I've been jumped for being white, I've been called 'cracker' in a disparaging way quite a few times, I'm pretty sure I was suspended from school because my black vice principal took the word of one black girl over the word of half a dozen other classmates who vouched for me in a 'fish-killing' incident. Again, I'm sure most black people experience worse than this, but when you're a decent person yourself and you experience this sort of thing, its hard to feel you're not the one being persecuted.

I'm lost? Is there a history of false fish-killing accusations in white communities I'm not aware of?

 

[Onemic]

I knew that this was a problem to a degree, but a majority of white people in America feel this way? fucking wow.

 

[Cyan]

Right, though you misremembered a few details:

In that case, it wasn't an experiment; it was an actual classroom. The teacher had decided, after reading about differences in how often boys and girls are called on, to make a point of calling on boys and girls evenly. She told the students what she was going to do, and used a sheet to keep track. Within a few days the boys began complaining that she was calling on the girls more than them, and the rest is essentially as follows in your post!

Oh.

Then someone should do an actual study!

 

[crozier]

Eh, trying to do a comparison between white and black experiences with racism is foolhardy. Just acknowledge that anti-white racism and violence is a serious problem.

 

[Cyan]

Eh, trying to do a comparison between white and black experiences with racism is foolhardy. Just acknowledge that anti-white racism and violence is a serious problem.

How so? I mean, to what extent is it a problem?

 

[Devolution]

How so? I mean, to what extent is it a problem?

Gotta be hard. Gotta be hard.

 

[crozier]

How so? I mean, to what extent is it a problem?

I know several people who had their asses kicked for no other reason than being white. A buddy got jumped on two separate occasions in Corvallis, OR by athletes for having a black girlfriend. I haven't personally experienced violence, but I have been called a cracker with all the intended racism and hatred that someone can throw behind such a slur.

Now while I haven't witnessed white on black violence, I know it happens frequently due to reports in the media. So that's undoubtedly a problem too. Still...having a pissing contest over who it happens to more frequently is a pointless endeavor.

 

[Devolution]

I know several people who had their asses kicked for no other reason than being white. A buddy got jumped on two separate occasions in Corvallis, OR by athletes for having a black girlfriend. I haven't personally experienced violence, but I have been called a cracker with all the intended racism and hatred that someone can throw behind such a slur.

Now while I haven't witnessed white on black violence, I know it happens frequently due to reports in the media. So that's undoubtedly a problem too. Still...having a pissing contest over who it happens to more frequently is a pointless endeavor.

Yeah I mean what's the KKK?

 

[crozier]

Yeah I mean what's the KKK?

Has the KKK even done anything newsworthy in the past decade? I always thought of their modern organization as little more than a group of old, angry white people who get together and rant about minorities.

 

[Devolution]

Has the KKK even done anything newsworthy in the past decade? I always thought of their modern organization as little more than a group of old, angry white people who get together and rant about minorities.

Would you prefer me to refer to the Aryan Brotherhood? Skinheads?

I mean you're pretending like a pissing match should even happen. I'm pretty sure slavery -> generations of lynching -> burning crosses on the lawn -> skinhead violence and police brutality means there is no competition.

 

[Arde5643]

Has the KKK even done anything newsworthy in the past decade? I always thought of their modern organization as little more than a group of old, angry white people who get together and rant about minorities.

Yeah, I'm sure the KKK is a totally harmless organization - same as Stormfront.

And yeah, it's just ranting, obviously they're not as threatening as the death stares from minorities. Can you imagine a group of minorities rudely staring at you? They're so thuggish and uncivilized. Animal like even.

Unlike the nice guys at KKK and Stormfront who'll just hang out nicely and rant about minorities.

 

[Vermillion]

I know several people who had their asses kicked for no other reason than being white. A buddy got jumped on two separate occasions in Corvallis, OR by athletes for having a black girlfriend. I haven't personally experienced violence, but I have been called a cracker with all the intended racism and hatred that someone can throw behind such a slur.

Now while I haven't witnessed white on black violence, I know it happens frequently due to reports in the media. So that's undoubtedly a problem too. Still...having a pissing contest over who it happens to more frequently is a pointless endeavor.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean jack shit. It's not a pissing contest; there are statistics that show that casual racism against blacks is greater than that against whites. Furthermore, by the very nature of systematic racism, whites cannot experience it.

I would agree with you that all racism is bad. No one deserves to be treated differently because of their race, whatever that race may be. But the fact is that the topic is about the incorrect belief that whites experience more racism. Anti-white racism is not a significant problem in this country. Not casually, not systemically, not overall.

 

[Valhelm]

I know several people who had their asses kicked for no other reason than being white. A buddy got jumped on two separate occasions in Corvallis, OR by athletes for having a black girlfriend. I haven't personally experienced violence, but I have been called a cracker with all the intended racism and hatred that someone can throw behind such a slur.

Now while I haven't witnessed white on black violence, I know it happens frequently due to reports in the media. So that's undoubtedly a problem too. Still...having a pissing contest over who it happens to more frequently is a pointless endeavor.

You're confusing active, violent racism with institutional pressures against African Americans and some other minorities. Institutional racism is much more present, harder to stamp out, and never affects white people.

 

[bishoptl]

I know several people who had their asses kicked for no other reason than being white. A buddy got jumped on two separate occasions in Corvallis, OR by athletes for having a black girlfriend. I haven't personally experienced violence, but I have been called a cracker with all the intended racism and hatred that someone can throw behind such a slur.

Now while I haven't witnessed white on black violence, I know it happens frequently due to reports in the media. So that's undoubtedly a problem too. Still...having a pissing contest over who it happens to more frequently is a pointless endeavor.

lol wut

 

[Devolution]

lol wut

He gets called a cracker, black people get James Byrded or Trayvon Martined or Rodney Kinged.

All the same.

 

[Cyan]

Still...having a pissing contest over who it happens to more frequently is a pointless endeavor.

We don't need a pissing match, but we certainly need a realistic view of the world we live in if we're going to solve the problems that we actually face rather than imaginary problems that don't actually exist.

I'm sure there is anti-white racism that some people experience, but the point here is that it isn't endemic to the same extent that anti-black racism is, which matters because it's more important that we solve anti-black racism (mostly structural and institutional), and if it's actually the case that white americans think they experience more racism than black people do, that is going to be a drag on fixing things.

 

[Arde5643]

lol wut

First time I've seen someone actively defending KKK and racism. There IS a GAF defense force for everything.

 

[Omegasquash]

I know several people who had their asses kicked for no other reason than being white. A buddy got jumped on two separate occasions in Corvallis, OR by athletes for having a black girlfriend. I haven't personally experienced violence, but I have been called a cracker with all the intended racism and hatred that someone can throw behind such a slur.

Now while I haven't witnessed white on black violence, I know it happens frequently due to reports in the media. So that's undoubtedly a problem too. Still...having a pissing contest over who it happens to more frequently is a pointless endeavor.

You're kidding, right?

Edit: I should have bolded the entire second paragraph.

 

[Devolution]

We don't need a pissing match, but we certainly need a realistic view of the world we live in if we're going to solve the problems that we actually face rather than imaginary problems that don't actually exist.

I'm sure there is anti-white racism that some people experience, but the point here is that it isn't endemic to the same extent that anti-black racism is, which matters because it's more important that we solve anti-black racism (mostly structural and institutional), and if it's actually the case that white americans think they experience more racism than black people do, that is going to be a drag on fixing things.

At some point we have to agree on what reality is to fix problems, yes.

 

[Vermillion]

We don't need a pissing match, but we certainly need a realistic view of the world we live in if we're going to solve the problems that we actually face rather than imaginary problems that don't actually exist.

I'm sure there is anti-white racism that some people experience, but the point here is that it isn't endemic to the same extent that anti-black racism is, which matters because it's more important that we solve anti-black racism (mostly structural and institutional), and if it's actually the case that white americans think they experience more racism than black people do, that is going to be a drag on fixing things.

This guy.

 

[The Adder]

First time I've seen someone actively defending KKK and racism. There IS a GAF defense force for everything.

Not the first time I've seen Crozier's name attached to this kind of lunacy.