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‘The Walking Dead’ – Season 5, Part 1 – Sundays on AMC

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mujun

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I really liked this episode. Good flashbacks and lots of running around the city which gave it a Last of Us vibe. I love that sort of zombie stuff.

I will admit that the way the van landed was weird and that the way the cops got out was a little weird. Both problems could have been rectified by better direction.
 
Jesus christ that was boring. They could have set up that entire plot scenario in 10 minutes but in classic Walking Dead fashion they stretch it out for an hour. They make zombie survival boring as fuck. I just don't give a shit about Carol or Daryl. Just constant whining and moping around. And that truck off the overpass scene was so goddamn bad. Like that's a new low for this show.

Looks like Rick and co are back next episode but I hope they fit the other group in there too.

People with this opinion should stop watching TWD. Not every episode has to be kill kill kill ffs.
 
It was a seriously idiotic move. There was no reason to get in the van, especially when Carol saw a horde of zombies approaching them. Terrible writing.
My guess was because there was a horde of zombies on both sides of the bridge. If that was the case though, it was poor cinematography / editing as couldn't tell that from the camera angles taken.
 
LOL

I didn't even understand the van sequence. Why even get in the van? It was close to tipping over in first place.
Was thinking they'd wanted to try and commandeer it to make travel easier. But of course that makes no sense given the front wheels were hanging off and lack of pavement gives them no traction with the rear wheels to put it in reverse.

Like I said, I know what the show is. It's a zombie drama, it's already in cray territory. But these guys have survived for too long making smarter decisions to suddenly do something that dumb, and the van went ahead and acted dumb along with them for the sake of plot. That kind of stuff sucks me out of the immersion.
 

zer0das

Banned
I liked the episode. Although the van on the bridge was dumb, but I just have a catch phrase every time something with vehicles happens like that.

One time my buddy was watching me play State of Decay, and I slightly overcorrected on a turn near a bridge, and my truck flipped over and landed so it was on the rail guard of the bridge so that its entire driver's side was resting on the rail guard. It was so absurd I don't think my friend would have believed if he hadn't seen it in person.

So every time something extremely dumb with vehicles occurs in the Walking Dead we say State of Decay moment and just laugh.
 

Ithil

Member
Really enjoyed the episode, very atmospheric and they've improved their character writing (which was the reason slow episodes didn't work back in season 2/3).

People need to stop saying "filler" for every episode that isn't bang bang whizz plot ending action.
 

Lothar

Banned
People with this opinion should stop watching TWD. Not every episode has to be kill kill kill ffs.

So you don't think it was a filler episode that could have been easily been skipped? What did you get out of this episode? We know that they're both changed people, this is nothing new, did we really have to hear them say "Listen, let me describe to you how I changed and how you changed" I don't find that to be interesting conversation. I was hoping they would hook up. Or maybe Carol would break down to him telling him what happened with the kids. Something. Not banal lines of never giving up and "I don't want anybody to die" and "We ain't ashes yet" and "You were a boy, now you're a man" awfulness.

I think it would have been better if the order of this episode and the Beth episode were switched. That way at least we wouldn't have known the whole time what the episode was leading to. That's the part I was really interested in. What's Carol going to do in the hospital. Could have skipped all of this and just told it all in a 1 minute flashback.
 
Um, didn't they get into the van to look for information on where it is from? They were grabbing all paperwork and stuff from the glove compartment/visor. Isn't that how they knew to go to the hospital?
 
I'm sorry but if you thought this episode was filler then just....bleh. Yeah. Every year there's always some. Filler is an episode that has no character beats at all, where you learn nothing, absolutely nothing happens, it may as well have not existed. That's not the case with this one.
 
I've been liking these episodes, but I really hate how incoherent these episodes have been. I don't like how they're split up between the gangs. I feel like the Eugene arc could've been solved back with RickCo instead of devoting an entire episode to them leaving for D.C..

We only get six episodes for the season. Let me have my Ricktatorship.
 

Kuroyume

Banned
People with this opinion should stop watching TWD. Not every episode has to be kill kill kill ffs.

Why is it that when someone (usually myself) criticizes the Walking Dead the natural assumption is that I want action all the time? I don't even care for the kills in the Walking Dead because anthing action oriented on this show is mostly boring or just plain unsatisfying. Once they started dispatching of zombies with relative ease I stopped giving a shit. Who cares about the fucking zombies on this show? They're nothing.

I just want to be entertained. There needs to be more to an episode than Daryl and Carol rummaging around and talking in the dark for 59 minutes. The show's writing isn't good enough to pull that off. These characters are are unbelivably boring and anything coming out of their mouths doesn't matter. Throwing in 15 minutes of them in some zombie or police rush wouldn't mean shit to me. I just don't fucking care.

The reason why I liked Merle and the gov are because those characters were so absurd that they were fun. Same reason why I liked Gareth. And it's the same reason why I root for Eugene, Abrahams, and Rosita. They're so fucking bizarre that it's fun and interesting. You can't say the same fore the borefest that are Carol and Daryl. They've been at this zombie killing stuff for a while now and they still mope around when they kill a zombie. Humans don't behave like that. At some point killing zombies becomes trivial. I wish they would get fucking over it already and become interesting. That little moment on the show where Daryl and Carol were discussing the painting on the wall? In the Walking Dead world that's considered a funny little moment between these two... I almost nodded off to sleep. "That high art looks like someone wiped poop all over it"... HUR HUR HUR.
 
Good episode. And yeah, I thought the music throughout was really effective. It was also so refreshing to get out of the countryside's repeated forest and traintracks. I hope a lot of people die in the finale so things can get focused on one group. These smaller scale episodes make me realize I prefer this kind of story as opposed to juggling a dozen or so characters at different locations.
 

Loke13

Member
Why is it that when someone (usually myself) criticizes the Walking Dead the natural assumption is that I want action all the time?
Maybe it's because you're a constant negative voice that been hanging around like a fart after a chili cheese burrito throughout the season and you really don't contribute anything to the discussion other than "UHHH DISS SUCKS BORING BORING DULL."

If your not enjoying these batch of episodes why not just stop watching instead of hanging on to some futile hope that you'll suddenly start like liking the direction the show is taking.
 

Lothar

Banned
Maybe it's because you're a constant negative voice that been hanging around like a fart after a chili cheese burrito throughout the season and you really don't contribute anything to the discussion other than "UHHH DISS SUCKS BORING BORING DULL."

That is contributing to the conversation much more than your post. Why don't you respond to his criticisms if you think they're not valid?
 

vityaz

Member
It was an okay episode. Not a fan of the flashbacks of things we've mostly already seen with Carol. I wish this episode would have moved on much faster than it did.

And why was the kid hiding in a building like only 3 blocks from the hospital he escaped from? You'd think he would have gotten further away. I mean the guy knew about a basement nearby so some time must have passed. Just feels like the natural thing to do is get some distance between yourself and the evil group that basically held you as a prisoner.

Van cat reflexes was silly. And it looked like they were really really close to the car they followed on the highway, guessing it's supposed to be much darker than on our screen.
 
It was an okay episode. Not a fan of the flashbacks of things we've mostly already seen with Carol. I wish this episode would have moved on much faster than it did.

And why was the kid hiding in a building like only 3 blocks from the hospital he escaped from? You'd think he would have gotten further away. I mean the guy knew about a basement nearby so some time must have passed. Just feels like the natural thing to do is get some distance between yourself and the evil group that basically held you as a prisoner.

Van cat reflexes was silly. And it looked like they were really really close to the car they followed on the highway, guessing it's supposed to be much darker than on our screen.

He was going to try and save Beth.
So he could get in her knickers.
 

Sapiens

Member
Can I say something? Not knowing anything about film/tv production, I thought the editing was fucking jarring in this episode.
 
its like AMC asked the producers to just see how little plot they can advance in each episode so as to drag the season out as lomg as possible. this show is back to its old ways.
 
I overall really enjoyed this episode but much like the previous episodes there was some really dumb stuff going on. First off they were following that car close enough that the other car shouldve noticed they were being followed. The entire van situation was stupid. Outside of that I really enjoyed the episode and for the first time I found Carol to be enjoyable. I found her character to be annoying and grating for the past four seasons and her antics in the season premiere this season were ridiculous. However this episode really provided some insight to her character and made her enjoyable. I liked the quiet moments with her and Daryl. I had also just seen the previous episode right before this one. While i didnt find it as enjoyable I really liked the insight into Abraham's past.

Also I want to throw it other but since Lori died ive found Rick to be a boring character. There have been a few exceptions like that Morgan episode
 

Zalasta

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This episode didn't work for me, mostly because of where it fit in the season. Since they've already blown their load by showing Daryl's return (with Noah) and Carol's arrival at the hospital (both as a cliffhanger of sort), we know nothing bad or life threatening was going to happen to them. As a result, there was no tension and any perceived danger (such as the ambulence sequence) just felt forced.

The interaction between Carol and Daryl was important and necessary. However, due to the fact that both characters are somewhat stoic and not talkative by nature, I think it took way too long for them to find reconciliation. It's not bad acting per se, but the pacing could have been tightened, definitely did not need a whole episode for it.

In the end, we did get the answer to two questions: how did they meet Noah and how did Carol ended up in the hospital. Unfortunately, neither had really interesting pay off. There was no grand scheme, and Carol being ran over by literally the only operating car in the entire city is simply ridiculous. Not to mention the occupants of the car came out immediately with a stretcher as if they expected her to be a live person and not some random walker. Well, I have to give props to the show for keep trying to tackle these character pieces but often falls short, it's just not good at story telling.
 

Konka

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I overall really enjoyed this episode but much like the previous episodes there was some really dumb stuff going on. First off they were following that car close enough that the other car shouldve noticed they were being followed. The entire van situation was stupid. Outside of that I really enjoyed the episode and for the first time I found Carol to be enjoyable. I found her character to be annoying and grating for the past four seasons and her antics in the season premiere this season were ridiculous. However this episode really provided some insight to her character and made her enjoyable. I liked the quiet moments with her and Daryl. I had also just seen the previous episode right before this one. While i didnt find it as enjoyable I really liked the insight into Abraham's past.

Also I want to throw it other but since Lori died ive found Rick to be a boring character. There have been a few exceptions like that Morgan episode

Yeah no. Go drive on a country road with no man made light at all and see just how much you can see out of your rearview mirror, it's practically nothing. They didn't have their lights on.
 
Yeah no. Go drive on a country road with no man made light at all and see just how much you can see out of your rearview mirror, it's practically nothing. They didn't have their lights on.

On the wooded road it's believable. On the highway and in the city though, not so much. The highway is much too open for them to follow as close as they were and not be seen by moonlight alone and in the city, even stopped, the Hospital Crew should've noticed a car there that they hadn't seen before.
 

anaron

Member
Loved this episode. It added layers to Daryl/Carol's natural friendship, and quietly reflected on Carol's transformation. I love these slower more intimate episodes, incredibly important in building characterization, and giving the "bigger" episodes weight and added tension.

Right?


TWD has some of the dumbest fans ever so it's no surprise to hear people calling a good episode shit and missing the worst actor/character, Rick Grimes.
 

someday

Banned
They're not going to stretch out the hospital rescue over two episodes, are they?
My guess is next week deals with the hospital group and the last episode is Rick's group and Maggie's group reconnecting. After Eugene's admission I would assume they go back to the church or whatever.
I'm sorry but if you thought this episode was filler then just....bleh. Yeah. Every year there's always some. Filler is an episode that has no character beats at all, where you learn nothing, absolutely nothing happens, it may as well have not existed. That's not the case with this one.
I agree completely. When Rick threw Carol out of the group, we all wondered how Daryl would take it since they were really close. This is the first episode where these two have really talked about stuff and I found it important and interesting. Carol has been really stoic since leaving the prison group and this is the first time we've actually heard or seen how its all affecting her. That is character stuff, not filler.

We've spent so much time dealing with Rick's every single up and down emotional state and that is tiring. Some of us enjoy getting some actual development about the other characters and are completely bored by Rick. Give me more Abraham, Eugene, Rosita, Tara, Carol, Maggie and Glenn even! I also hope Michonne says more than 5 words again, and says them to someone besides Carl.
 
This episode didn't work for me, mostly because of where it fit in the season. Since they've already blown their load by showing Daryl's return (with Noah) and Carol's arrival at the hospital (both as a cliffhanger of sort), we know nothing bad or life threatening was going to happen to them. As a result, there was no tension and any perceived danger (such as the ambulence sequence) just felt forced.

The interaction between Carol and Daryl was important and necessary. However, due to the fact that both characters are somewhat stoic and not talkative by nature, I think it took way too long for them to find reconciliation. It's not bad acting per se, but the pacing could have been tightened, definitely did not need a whole episode for it.

In the end, we did get the answer to two questions: how did they meet Noah and how did Carol ended up in the hospital. Unfortunately, neither had really interesting pay off. There was no grand scheme, and Carol being ran over by literally the only operating car in the entire city is simply ridiculous. Not to mention the occupants of the car came out immediately with a stretcher as if they expected her to be a live person and not some random walker. Well, I have to give props to the show for keep trying to tackle these character pieces but often falls short, it's just not good at story telling.

Unfortunately, there are some rather obvious & ridiculous deus ex machinas in The Walking Dead like the highlighted instance that really detract from an otherwise very good episode.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
I have a bad feeling that they are building up Carol's character just to kill her off in the mid season finale.

I've thought that since the season premiere. :(

Which would be a bummer, for sure, seeing as how she's the best character, but she has had a great run - better than any of the other characters up to this point.
 
Big ratings again this week.

I enjoyed last night's episode and thought it was one of the better ones this season. The Carol/Daryl combo works well, and the music plus the quick flashbacks helped put a lot of Carol's story into perspective. Returning to the city was pretty cool, as well. Interesting to see the further decay and a couple of landmarks from early in the series (the road into Atlanta, the tank). I do agree that the split group has been a little problematic since we're only seeing some characters every three weeks at this point, though I'm not sure the alternative (splicing all three stories together and slowly progressing all of them each week) would be any more effective.

Also, I wanted to quickly note that differing opinions on the quality of the show are welcome in this (or any tv) thread. Just make sure that you're addressing other poster's arguments if you disagree, rather than insulting them or engaging in meta-commentary. Thanks.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
That is character stuff, not filler.

One and the same, for some. :p

Carol being ran over by literally the only operating car in the entire city is simply ridiculous.

How was it ridiculous? The "only operating car in the entire city" (an absurdly manufactured nitpick, btw) was stationed at the only operating hospital in the city, which is where Carol was when she got hit (because she and Daryl figured that was where Beth was being held, so they naturally went there to investigate), and the only reason the car was in Carol's immediate vicinity was because they heard semi-automatic gunfire coming from that direction. Carol ran out into the street and thus, was hit by the car that was coming to investigate. They saw that she was carrying the semi-automatic rifle, figured it was she who fired the shots, and then drove off to take her back to the hospital.

They didn't check around for more survivors because A: they probably don't want to add more than one person per group (if they bring in a group of people who all know each other, there's a better chance they'll try to overthrow Dawn's authority/they're less easy to prey on) and/or B: they didn't want to encounter a stronger, possibly dangerous group of survivors.

Not to mention the occupants of the car came out immediately with a stretcher as if they expected her to be a live person and not some random walker.

It's almost as if that was their entire reason for driving around in the car in the first place...
 
One and the same, for some. :p



How was it ridiculous? The "only operating car in the entire city" (an absurdly manufactured nitpick, btw) was stationed at the only operating hospital in the city, which is where Carol was when she got hit (because she and Daryl figured that was where Beth was being held, so they naturally went there to investigate), and the only reason the car was in Carol's immediate vicinity was because they heard semi-automatic gunfire coming from that direction. Carol ran out into the street and thus, was hit by the car that was coming to investigate. They saw that she was carrying the semi-automatic rifle, figured it was she who fired the shots, and then drove off to take her back to the hospital.

They didn't check around for more survivors because A: they probably don't want to add more than one person per group (if they bring in a group of people who all know each other, there's a better chance they'll try to overthrow Dawn's authority/they're less easy to prey on) and/or B: they didn't want to encounter a stronger, possibly dangerous group of survivors.



It's almost as if that was their entire reason for driving around in the car in the first place...
Yeah im not sure if everyone has forgotten that Beth and Daryl were trapped by this group before and Beth likely got hit by the car as well.
 
For how smart Carol has been in the past episodes she did make some silly mistakes in this episode. The business with getting caught by Noah was totally her fault, and she ran off ahead of Daryl and Noah alone out into the open street when she got hit. Frankly she's lucky these people don't try to kill or she would have probably just been shot running out there like that.
 
Big ratings again this week.

I enjoyed last night's episode and thought it was one of the better ones this season. The Carol/Daryl combo works well, and the music plus the quick flashbacks helped put a lot of Carol's story into perspective. Returning to the city was pretty cool, as well. Interesting to see the further decay and a couple of landmarks from early in the series (the road into Atlanta, the tank). I do agree that the split group has been a little problematic since we're only seeing some characters every three weeks at this point, though I'm not sure the alternative (splicing all three stories together and slowing progressing all of them each week) would be any more effective.

Also, I wanted to quickly note that differing opinions on the quality of the show are welcome in this (or any tv) thread. Just make sure that you're addressing other poster's arguments if you disagree, rather than insulting them or engaging in meta-commentary. Thanks.
It's a pick your poison kind of thing. If they do those episodes where they show every group in one then it feels uneven and lacks focus and you lack a lot of good character moments and momentum. If you split em up the story moves at a slower/different pace.

I prefer it like this if I had to choose. Also combining the whole group into one I enjoy as well, I hope to see them meet up again soon but it's only great because they have become developed characters due to the current structure.

edit: I watched the episode again while doing some work and I really loved the vibe of the episode. The music was really great.
 
One and the same, for some. :p



How was it ridiculous? The "only operating car in the entire city" (an absurdly manufactured nitpick, btw) was stationed at the only operating hospital in the city, which is where Carol was when she got hit (because she and Daryl figured that was where Beth was being held, so they naturally went there to investigate), and the only reason the car was in Carol's immediate vicinity was because they heard semi-automatic gunfire coming from that direction. Carol ran out into the street and thus, was hit by the car that was coming to investigate. They saw that she was carrying the semi-automatic rifle, figured it was she who fired the shots, and then drove off to take her back to the hospital.

They didn't check around for more survivors because A: they probably don't want to add more than one person per group (if they bring in a group of people who all know each other, there's a better chance they'll try to overthrow Dawn's authority/they're less easy to prey on) and/or B: they didn't want to encounter a stronger, possibly dangerous group of survivors.



It's almost as if that was their entire reason for driving around in the car in the first place...

But the speed that the car was driving was too fast for a short distance. They must have had taken a head start from far away, and thus making a lot engine noise™. And Carol & co. were in a wide open hallway, which would have, if my brains works correctly, amplified the engine noise™. Also, there was plenty of room to check both sides, unless the car would have driven on the walkway, which would have been stupid.

TL;DR The car(ol) crash, I don't like it.
 

Lothar

Banned
I agree completely. When Rick threw Carol out of the group, we all wondered how Daryl would take it since they were really close. This is the first episode where these two have really talked about stuff and I found it important and interesting. Carol has been really stoic since leaving the prison group and this is the first time we've actually heard or seen how its all affecting her. That is character stuff, not filler.

I was very much excited in what Carol and Daryl would say to each other, they're my two favorite characters, but then they when they started talking they just started speaking lines of cliches and banalities. And Carol said how she had changed - something that at this point definitely something that didn't need describing and didn't need to be said. It came off very unnatural. And "You were a boy, now you're a man" made me roll my eyes to the back of my head. I would have loved to have seen a long heart to heart conversation between the two. This wasn't it.

I thought a better more natural moment between the two was a few episodes ago when Daryl dropped the water jug and they both laughed about it. I wish we had more moments like that in this episode.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
But the speed that the car was driving was too fast for a short distance. They must have had taken a head start from far away, and thus making a lot engine noise™. And Carol & co. were in a wide open hallway, which would have, if my brains works correctly, amplified the engine noise™. Also, there was plenty of room to check both sides, unless the car would have driven on the walkway, which would have been stupid.

TL;DR The car(ol) crash, I don't like it.

After thinking about it a bit, I'm pretty sure the car hits people on purpose. "Oh no, you're hurt! We'll fix you at our hospital!"...."Now we own you! Ahuahuahua!!!"
 

Zaph

Member
After thinking about it a bit, I'm pretty sure the car hits people on purpose. "Oh no, you're hurt! We'll fix you at our hospital!"...."Now we own you! Ahuahuahua!!!"

Didn't Beth have a mysteriously fractured arm and no memory of what happened? Definitely fits the theory - quick way of grabbing and keeping people without them remembering how they got there in the first place. Those with too many internal injuries can just be thrown down the shaft.
 
After thinking about it a bit, I'm pretty sure the car hits people on purpose. "Oh no, you're hurt! We'll fix you at our hospital!"...."Now we own you! Ahuahuahua!!!"

Might be, then Carol was just damn unlucky to cross the same road as they were driving, unless they were sliding around the building like Mario Kart.

Pretty sure we'll never know for sure.
 
Loved the music in this episode. The whole thing had a big time "The Last of Us" feel to it. It wasn't narratively necessary but I didn't find it boring at all. Plenty of character moments to chew on.

Same here, it was rather good. The music was great.

Loved the city too.

After thinking about it a bit, I'm pretty sure the car hits people on purpose. "Oh no, you're hurt! We'll fix you at our hospital!"...."Now we own you! Ahuahuahua!!!"

No idea but that was my initial reaction when the scene initially played out, heh.
 
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