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The Walking Dead Season 7, Part 2 Sundays on AMC
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Sho_Nuff82
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I have a PhD in biology and I don't think you'd want to trust me with anything more than salvaging organs from a corpse. There are years of specialized training separating surgical MDs from PHDs, I don't know what Negan is thinking.
Right. Either way it comes down on Eugene, as Negan will say why the fuck didn't you tell me you weren't an MD.
Eugene never said that he was, but he threw out Doctor and that's all that will matter. He also should have spoken up the minute Negan said good thing we have another doctor after killing the doctor. Like, hey, I never said I was an MD bro (or at least in private). Publically yelling it out would have been instant death.
Negan clearly doesn't have an issue killing someone he thinks is disposable so Eugene will immediately largely become disposable the minute it's clear he can't patch people up.
At the same time if someone tells you they worked on the human genome project I suppose a lot of people would assume you are in fact an MD as well, if not highly specialized.
The Artisan
Member
watching the episode now. the chick escorting Eugene is hot
awesome_pants
Banned
I also got Breaking Bad vibes from this episode.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
To my utter surprise, I actually liked this episode. Most of it was stuff the viewer already knew, but it was nice to have something a little different. Instead of Negan interacting with some stiff lipped badass, he went face to face with Eugene.
I also feel like JDM has toned down the overacting a bit and like him a bit more as Negan now. Still would help if he did some personal training to put on 20lbs or so, but I like his character a bit more now than earlier in the season.
The Artisan
Member
ohhh no is he gonna start bullshitting again
this is a complaint i mentally make every time I see negan and that's that he just doesn't look as intimidating as they made him out to be in the comics. they should have made the actor work out more or went with an actor that physically looked bigger.
also, not sure if i can call eugene my favorite character anymore if he's on board as a savior now.
wtf dwight? you coward fuck got the doctor killed to protect your own lying ass? why did he do that?
this is a complaint i mentally make every time I see negan and that's that he just doesn't look as intimidating as they made him out to be in the comics. they should have made the actor work out more or went with an actor that physically looked bigger.
also, not sure if i can call eugene my favorite character anymore if he's on board as a savior now.
wtf dwight? you coward fuck got the doctor killed to protect your own lying ass? why did he do that?
VenomousCoffee
Member
I agree that I still have a double take with JDM playing a character who has physically terrorized an entire county, basically, into giving him whatever he wants (and I'm partly thinking of that scene between Dwight and that guy who took off from the Saviors camp, on the highway, where the other guy said 'why did we let this guy with a bat take over?').
I realize it's Hollywood and almost every leading actor type is expected to be super skinny, but when JDM turns sideways he looks like a strong wind would kick his ass.
I realize it's Hollywood and almost every leading actor type is expected to be super skinny, but when JDM turns sideways he looks like a strong wind would kick his ass.
Angry Fork
Member
I don't really get Eugene. He's obviously a bullshitter, and he admitted this himself, but he does know quite a bit of scientific knowledge, more than the average person. Not only enough to bullshit people but to do actual practical things. It kind of negates his con in my opinion from a writing perspective when you give him so much intelligence that he supposedly doesn't have.
I also feel like it's a bit of a stretch to say he's learning these things just from reading random books along the way, especially when most books are gone. Like yea he doesn't have those degrees but he seems to be able to MacGuyver his way out of any situation. Maybe the show will have him fail eventually though and the con will fall apart.
Also not sure if the girls who propositioned Eugene were spies for Negan or if they really did want to put him away. Guess we'll see soon.
Really good episode imo after a long string of boring filler. Based on preview looks like next ep will be back to lame shit unfortunately. Wish showrunners had more power so they could stop this dumb AMC 20 episode split season thing and do a 10-12 ep single season like real shows do.
I also feel like it's a bit of a stretch to say he's learning these things just from reading random books along the way, especially when most books are gone. Like yea he doesn't have those degrees but he seems to be able to MacGuyver his way out of any situation. Maybe the show will have him fail eventually though and the con will fall apart.
Also not sure if the girls who propositioned Eugene were spies for Negan or if they really did want to put him away. Guess we'll see soon.
Really good episode imo after a long string of boring filler. Based on preview looks like next ep will be back to lame shit unfortunately. Wish showrunners had more power so they could stop this dumb AMC 20 episode split season thing and do a 10-12 ep single season like real shows do.
Mediking
Member
Eugene isn't dumb. He's playing a role. He doesn't wanna die... he's on Rick's team still.
And Dwight is... well.... his survival ways are pretty harsh but I think he did it to protect Daryl.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
He clearly acts more normal when he's at The Sanctuary and around his own people. The theatrics are amplified when he's interacting with outsiders. (which parallels the situation with Ezekiel, somewhat)
DangerMouse
Member
yup
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
For Eugene, the Atari.
The Artisan
Member
Eugene isn't dumb he's a coward and every fuckin body knows it.
As for Dwight, the fuck does Daryl have to do with that? The suspicion there is that his wife let Daryl go and he didn't continue looking for her, or tell Negan or the doctor the truth so he was either covering his own ass or hers even though she's still out there.
So fuck him.
Mediking
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The Artisan
Member
you know something don't you
Jeffrey Dean Morgan does an ok job, but Negan should have been much, much bigger. He's a big stupid jock with some sympathetic qualities in the comic. He's not as "cool" as this Negan. His language being so limited on the show also hurts as you don't giggle at him as often, if at all. His size and stupidity in the comic also makes him even more intimidating.
Sho_Nuff82
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It's conceivable that Eugene is pissed over the death of Abraham (and that he got someone else killed over his bullet forging) and is playing the long game here.
But I think, based on what we've seen, there's an equally good chance he's covering his ass in case Rick & co don't pull through. He is a pragmatist at the end of the day.
AngmarsKing701
Member
This.
Also, episode was funny af. Eugene's antics made Negan's fake menacing lame-ness moot.
SirClinksAlot
Member
Yeah, I mean from the beginning Eugene has always been about taking the path that just keeps him alive. Right now going along with Negan is whats keeping him alive.
Count me in at how stupid it is Negan got rid of that doctor. Just dumb.
hey_monkey
Banned
A grembleygrunk or something. And then having it in his pocket! That was so good.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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I am going to rewatch that episode, Eugene was awesome in it.
Red Liquorice
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Clearly Eugene is biding his time. He's a scaredy-cat not an idiot.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Why the fuck would anyone think Eugene would side with Negan after what he did to Abraham. Not to mention rick and co saving his ass multiple times. Eugene playing that long game, he knows how to con his way to victory.
Actually, leading actors are almost never as skinny as JDM is right now. They're usually built. Hell, he was built in Watchmen.
I have no idea why he's still so thin, actors put on size for roles all the time and this is his biggest role to date. Gaining weight is not difficult, and I can't imagine the showrunners think Negan is somehow more menacing being lanky. His whole persona is about intimidation.
Haven't you been paying attention to Eugene's character arc over the last few seasons?
The Silver
Member
Eugene is obviously playing the long game with Negan, but he's also prepared to live with Negan if Rick fails.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Actors usually put on or lose major weight for films roles where there is a lot of lead time before filming. Casting for TV means getting someone as is. That's why everyone is always trying slim down and tone up before pilot season.
And honestly...It does the job. I wouldn't have a guy his age trying to strenuously bulk up quick for this show, it's not that serious.
And honestly...It does the job. I wouldn't have a guy his age trying to strenuously bulk up quick for this show, it's not that serious.
But hasn't JDM been on the show for close to a year now? Takes a month or two tops to put on 20 pounds.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
I think if anything is gonna make you shed a few pounds in a few years it's going to be a walking dead like crisis. I mean I doubt there's a McDonalds in sanctuary.
Like I'm glad he's not a hulk with an unrealistic Kharl Drogo body. Everyone should be at least semi half starved at this point and he doesn't seem that much of a glutton.
I get Sanctuary probably does have the means but I dunno if pumping irons is gonna be the best choice of your time in the post apocalypse.
because hes a scaredy cat. hes close to shitting his pants whenever negan is around and knows exactly how big the saviors are now, its not that far fetched to believe he chose the winning team (for now)
edit: i bet he stashed the pills inside that stuffed monkey. i guess it could be possible that hes just waiting for the right moment but his behavior in negans presence doesnt suggest that
near
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I don't think Negan necessarily has to be big and menacing to be intimidating. I don't read the comics but I'd assume he'd be much bigger perhaps to aid the visual interpretation of he's ruthlessness. But I think the show does a good job at conveying Negan's intimidation through other characters, while JDM is also able to realise those characteristics with the way he executes he's lines and those bad ass monologues.
The Artisan
Member
of course i have. season 4 was his introduction, season 5 was his exposure & start to his redemption (saving Tara, helping Glenn,
so what am I supposed to think of him now? his development isn't really conclusive to the way his character has been built.
well, Tyreese managed to stay brolic all series long. Plus none of the main characters have yellow teeth. In fact there was that one episode with all the girls where this one chick had white teeth, they were so super white they were practically sparkling on the camera.
things like this really don't have a bearing on the "realism" the show goes for because it is all still fictional and fake.
I dunno man, I didn't even read the comics but for some reason I feel like Negan's mannerisms on the show aren't really a reflection of his comic roots. Other than the outfit and what others think about him there's not much of a resemblance.I don't think Negan necessarily has to be big and menacing to be intimidating. I don't read the comics but I'd assume he'd be much bigger perhaps to aid the visual interpretation of he's ruthlessness. But I think the show does a good job at conveying Negan's intimidation through other characters, while JDM is also able to realise those characteristics with the way he executes he's lines and those bad ass monologues.
But just based off of his physical appearance it's not convincing how he has gotten to intimidate all these other people but if he looked more like he was supposed to perhaps I would. As petty as that sounds.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
To quote game of Thrones (which is taken from the book, not the awful show script), "Power resides where men believe it resides. It's a trick, a shadow on the wall. And a very small man, can cast a large shadow."
Basically Negan is a charmastic, scary guy who bashes people's brains in with a bat. I'm sure the show is just waiting to give everyone that Negan backstory. In fact I think the comic is doing that right now. It will probably be shown next season and then finally the "complaints" about it can stop. Also for those claiming it's still unrealistic for a man like Negan to be in power...history has loads of examples of these type of people, it's not that much of a stretch to believe it could happen in a post-apocalyptic zombie world.
Basically Negan is a charmastic, scary guy who bashes people's brains in with a bat. I'm sure the show is just waiting to give everyone that Negan backstory. In fact I think the comic is doing that right now. It will probably be shown next season and then finally the "complaints" about it can stop. Also for those claiming it's still unrealistic for a man like Negan to be in power...history has loads of examples of these type of people, it's not that much of a stretch to believe it could happen in a post-apocalyptic zombie world.
The Artisan
Member
Indeed, but they obviously were not trying to depict Negan as a "very small man" casting a large shadow. JDM is 6'2", so really they should have gone the extra mile and made him lift weights.
not that it's unrealistic to see him in power, it's just that he physically just does not look that imposing, and that's a quality he does have in the comic
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I wasn't trying to really say he was small, just trying to explain, that his size doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter if he looks imposing or not.
The Artisan
Member
if there's a considerable amount of people complaining about it then I'd say it does. If it doesn't bother you and others that's fine, but I think it's a legitimate complaint, especially given how in the past there have been characters with mass like Tyreese
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
And Tyreese was a gigantic Teddy Bear. I just don't think Negan needs to be some huge linebacker. I like it better this way. He uses his charisma more than his strength in order to intimidate.
The Artisan
Member
my point with Tyreese being brolic is that this whole "lack of food/malnourished status should mean nobody has muscle" doesn't hold weight if there were characters with stature like that. If you like it better this way then great, you got what you want, but his charisma isn't enough for me to find his intimidation convincing tbh
Just watched last week's episode. That whole thing with the trash people was incredibly dumb. Bad CG, pushing Rick into the pit made me legitimately laugh, awkward dialogue, annoying Rosita, more secret-hiding to keep Carol a completely useless character 10 episodes into the season.
Ugh.
Ugh.
The Artisan
Member
yeah you summed it up pretty well but at least we know what's going on with Rick. In the most recent episode Rick isn't there at all.
Jacknapes
Member
Eugene most likely is biding his time. He's not as stupid as we think he is, after all he's suggested to Negan melting down metal and sticking the Walkers to the wall to prevent them from disintegrating. Either it's a smart way to stop them from falling to bits, or it's a smart tactic to get them staying still ready for a Rick and Co invasion. They know there's a Walker wall, Carl, Jesus and Daryll would have confirmed this.