And here I thought Kevin Pelton was one of the good ones.
2011/12 Dec/Jan NBA Season |OT| "Shannon Brown is not walking through that door."
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And here I thought Kevin Pelton was one of the good ones.
Black Mamba
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http://weaksideawareness.wordpress....cy-of-predictions-for-wins-in-nba-in-2010-11/
Hollinger was actually #1 individually, with the top spot going to a hybrid of Hollinger, Pelton, and Dwyer for last season. They actually beat Vegas!
lol @ Wins Produced stupidity.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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If the Spurs amnesty Jefferson and Duncan takes a pay cut or retires, the Spurs could sign Dwight, lol. Dwight-Manu would be a pretty unbelievably good fit even though Manu is really old. Has a better chance winning with San Antonio than LA 
. No shot of happening though. Warriors could sign him if they find a sucker for Biedrins and they have Monta who Dwight really likes. Boston could trade Rondo and Pierce for decent supporting players and then sign Deron and Dwight. None of those options are that viable, but they could still be sleepers in the Dwight free agency.
. No shot of happening though. Warriors could sign him if they find a sucker for Biedrins and they have Monta who Dwight really likes. Boston could trade Rondo and Pierce for decent supporting players and then sign Deron and Dwight. None of those options are that viable, but they could still be sleepers in the Dwight free agency.
Reave
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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RAPM now ranks Millsap as a top 15 player in the league, officially the best stat ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uxf7XboLkOU
ha..hahahhaa...haha come on LeAirball
ha..hahahhaa...haha come on LeAirball
Black Mamba
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The Mavs can't sign both to a max contract, though. Can only get close if they trade for one of them. What assets can they possibly give either team that would make it worthwhile to wait right now?
Well, not a max contract, but pretty close. Basically everyone except Dirk, Marion, and Haywood does not have a guaranteed contract. If they can trade Haywood, they can amnesty Marion, leaving only Dirk, basically. And the new CBA has a provision where you can renegotiate existing contracts downward per year up to 40% so long as the total money is the same, by adding extra years to the contract. So it wouldn't be easy, but it's definitely possible for them to get to where their payroll next year would be Dirk at about $13 million. That would be enough for both.
Black Mamba
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That won't work with Dirk as much because of the over 36 rule would still be in effect for his contract. Any money past the age of 36 is considered to not be reached and therefore added into the years prior to turning 36, so if they renegotiate Dirk's salary that way, the over 36 rule re-negotiates is back for cap purposes so nothing changed except Dirk earns less per year. In fact, if Dirk extends his current contract right now, next season's cap hit rises.
Also, you are assuming they trade Haywood for nothing but expirings or a TPE. I highly doubt that happens even if they take less salary back. Who is taking on that massive contract for fun? Or if it comes back with picks this season, more salary added. And Beaubois is going to have his option picked up. Same with Jones. And Odom counts as $2.4 million if they waive him.
Then there are minimum roster cap holds. If they amnesty Haywood and waive Odom, they are at around $42 million in cap holds. If they trade Haywood for let's say $6 million in salary per year and amnesty Marion, they are at $38-39 with a $58-60 million salary cap, most likely. Again, only room for 1 max.
Even in a miracle situation with no haywood, marion, and Odom waived and keeping the rookie contracts, that leaves them with at most $28 million in cap space, not enough for 2 max contracts (I believe Dwight and Deron's max would start at $17+ million).
Miami's big 3 was different because Wade was a UFA so he could take less money. Dirk is at $21 million, $6 million above where Wade was. That's $6 million less starting point. Also, Dirk can't defer money later because of the over 36 rule, so there's no way around it with a contract renegotiation that I know of.
Realistically, they will make room for 1 max and 1 bit above MLE player size contract while keeping Marion and Beaubois and Jones.
WTF, when did Pierce get hurt?
Justin Timberlake
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If the Spurs amnesty Jefferson and Duncan takes a pay cut or retires, the Spurs could sign Dwight, lol. Dwight-Manu would be a pretty unbelievably good fit even though Manu is really old. Has a better chance winning with San Antonio than LA
ItWasMeantToSetMeUpForDisappointment...
CommonSense
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Look like Chris Paul, Ball like Chris Paul?
Or
How does I throw lob?
Go Cavs! Let the tanking for Barnes begin!
PhoenixDark
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Another season of average play from Kobe, MVP numbers from LeBron, and bitter tears
Tell me, how many rings do Lebron and Nash got?
CommonSense
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As much as I hate on Lebron as any Ohio man should, Jordan didn't get his first ring until he was what? 27.
How old is Lebron?
Give him some time.
What does age got to do with it?
Shaq and Jordan were working on their first three-peats by their 9th year in the league.
In other words, Jordan had won 2 rings before he entered his 9th year in the league. And he missed almost an entire season, too.
AgentChris
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I hope he never wins a championship. Dude is scum for leaving his hometown like that.
CommonSense
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At first Lebron left, and we hated him.
Then he pulled his typical Houdini exit, and we laughed at him.
Finally, we drafted Kyrie Irving to start forgetting about him.
Cleveland, we are a factory of sadness.
PhoenixDark
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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True, but David Robinson was significantly better statistically than all but a few players in NBA history (like Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, maybe Russell, maybe LeBron, maybe Malone, maybe Shaq, maybe the Big O, but definitely top 10 in regular season stats) and that didn't lead to him winning any titles as the best player on his team.
CommonSense
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$DWade, MegaBosh, and Battier, + a nice PG in Cole =I still can't say it, fuck the Heat$ #Antichrist #HGH
PhoenixDark
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He was unfortunately enough to play in the Jordan era. While Kobe was fortunate enough to play during the Shaq era.
lol.
Hey, did Hillary win the nomination for the DNC for POTUS?
Hey, did Avatar flop like you said it would?
Hey, did Lebron James win a ring like you said he would?
What about Lebron playing in the Kobe era then?
Now that the rookies are available I bought NBA2k12 and started an association, kept existing teams, and traded Bynum plus some other pieces in a multi team deal to get Beasley and Rubio, plus picked up Brook Lopez.
Starting lineup is Kobe/Lopez/Pau/Beasley/Rubio. So glorious!
Also, Brandi, stop pretending that your team wasn't 1st round fodder until they got Chandler. Now they lost Chandler. Your team gets respect for winning in 11, not for being good enough to be a lock for 2012
Robinson played against Jordan so many times in the Finals yo! The Jordan era argument only applies to superstars in the east (Reggie Miller, Ewing) and to superstars who made the finals against him (Barkley, Stockton, Malone) Not to people who never had to face him in a playoff series. gtfo with that lazy argument.
Starting lineup is Kobe/Lopez/Pau/Beasley/Rubio. So glorious!
Also, Brandi, stop pretending that your team wasn't 1st round fodder until they got Chandler. Now they lost Chandler. Your team gets respect for winning in 11, not for being good enough to be a lock for 2012
Robinson played against Jordan so many times in the Finals yo! The Jordan era argument only applies to superstars in the east (Reggie Miller, Ewing) and to superstars who made the finals against him (Barkley, Stockton, Malone) Not to people who never had to face him in a playoff series. gtfo with that lazy argument.
Did you sleep through the past decade where a Dirk Nowitzki-lead team got out of the first round 7 out of 11 times?
PhoenixDark
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What Kobe era?
Post-2006 = ??
Or are we in the Lebron era? Please tell me you think we are in the Lebron era.
I beg you. No, I dare you.
TheKaeptain
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Stats don't mean shit. Results>stats
CommonSense
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The one where he started out as a kid off the bench who was firmly committed to carrying shaq's jock and ended as one of the best runs in NBA history, bar none?
For the record I think it went like this;
Jordan
A quick stop off at Shaq
A flirt with Tim Duncan
Kobe
Lebron for now with Durant and Air Blake staring him down. He needs that title now.
ThisWreckage
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People always forget this. Not to mention that he has more help than ever right now.
What does 2001-2006 have to do with it? That's like me saying "Did you sleep through the decade where Kobe led his team to the finals7 out of 11 times"?
The Mavs have been first round fodder since basically 2007 until they got Chandler. Now they lost Chandler. They're definitely good enough to make a deep playoff run, and maybe even win, but they sure as hell aren't a lock
No no - Heat should be favored to win this year. If they don't do it now, they should be mocked forever.
I just think its funny to say that LBJ still needs more time when he's spent that time looking for other guys to make winning easier and keep him from taking the last second shots.
That being said, I'm still putting money to Heat this year.
Justin Timberlake
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Lebron not being able to win against Dirk + scrubs with DWYANE WADE CHRIS BOSH UDONIS HASLEM MARIO CHALMERS BIG Z MIKE BIBBY AND MIKE MILLER on his team is a far cry from what Jordan and Robinson had to work with early in their careers..
People need to just stop being mesmerized by his stats and look at what he is actually accomplishing on the basketball court. He is not even close to as valuable as the greats everyone feels compelled to compare him to.
People need to just stop being mesmerized by his stats and look at what he is actually accomplishing on the basketball court. He is not even close to as valuable as the greats everyone feels compelled to compare him to.
ThisWreckage
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Personally, I think it's absolutely embarrassing that the Heat didn't win last year. You know, given their talent. If they don't win this year it's going to be hilarious because Pat Riley will be beside himself.
Seriously... If Miami doesn't win, they should be a running joke around the league.
completely agree with everything here. Although I give craploads of credit to Dirk and that team. Dirk basically ended all criticism of him permanently with one insane postseason and validated an MVP he earned in 2007 all at the same time.
PhoenixDark
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LeBron has been the best player in the league since the 2007 season, I'd say it would be fair to call that his era. Has he won anything? No. But neither did Jordan by this time. I'm not a LeBron fan, hell I like Kobe more, but there's no question LeBron has been the better player for some time. Or will you disagree with that fact?
ThisWreckage
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Well, Dirk has always performed well in the playoffs. He's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Look at his playoff stats in complete wonderment. Also, he should have been the MVP last year.
Jordan was the best player in the league since the day he stepped foot on the basketball court, and if not, then definitely the best from 87-on. Does that make the mid to late 80's the Jordan era?
Also, no. Lebron has been the best player in the league since his first MVP. He's been the darling of stat geeks before that. But he wasn't the best player in the league in 2007 or 2008. He didn't even play defense back then.
i still remember when my friend called me up all excited about us getting chris paul. i told him it was nice but i was only going to get excited once i knew for sure we had him. he was real excited and talking about getting dwight as well. i told him shit like that rarely happens for the lakers. i really hate being right this time. 
Justin Timberlake
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bu bu bu Derrick Rose barely led the Bulls to 60+ wins in one of the weakest divisions of all time! That is such an accomplishment!
Its so silly watching media heads justify that decision all the while claiming that Rose isn't even top 3 in his position or top 8 in the league. Like how does that even make any god damn sense.
Paul and Billups are smart enough to offset a shit coach. Add Deandre, Beast Griffin, Blackhole Caron and their decent bench, they'll be in the playoffs for sure, probably as high as a 3 or 4 seed.
Phil looking like he sells bean pies up in Harlem.
CommonSense
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This just in, DeAndre Jordan has fucking large ups.
Good god that team is going to rack up a lot of air miles this year. I'm excited to watch them.
As for Lebron, it's probably his era, but mostly now that the fanbase switched from titles to swagger. New age casual nba fans are dicks.
Good god that team is going to rack up a lot of air miles this year. I'm excited to watch them.
As for Lebron, it's probably his era, but mostly now that the fanbase switched from titles to swagger. New age casual nba fans are dicks.
All true. Including the MVP story. But Dirk missed 9 games. It proved how valuable he is that they went 2-7. But Rose played like every game and they had the best record and over achieved. I'm ok with Rose getting the MVP although Dirk easily deserved it too.
ThisWreckage
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Even Dwight Howard would have been a better choice. I guess at least Dirk won Finals MVP.
As someone stated earlier, the media loves their storylines. I'm also so sick of the media playing up the whole "Rose is so humble. Look at how humble that kid is." I get the feeling that he's more stupid than he is humble.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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How was the fact that Robinson never played Jordan not mentioned by BEST-GAF already?
Suns without Nash were 1-6.
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