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2011 NBA Playoffs |OT| Don't Compare Refs to Cigarettes
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Sho_Nuff82
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dIEHARD said:
This is pretty low even for you dIEHARD. Brother can't even do charity without being thrown under the bus for not being Deron?
LiveFromKyoto
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reilo said:
Since I & O are right next to each other on a QWERTY keyboard, we decoded ti just make them onterchangeable in the metric system.
ClovingWestbrook
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What is the mIRC chat address?
Check the OP.LovingSteam said:
http://netsarescorching.com/2011/04/25/kicking-the-knicks-when-theyre-down/#ixzz1KZOXaAVt
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reilo said:
Yes, better, because he's now a 3 point threat. Everywhere, he's the same except smarter.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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reilo said:
Telling fans to take injuries into account and then expecting a full season of Deron Williams for 2011-2012.
This was only the second time in Deron's career that he played less than 70 games -- and he played 65 and the other time he played 68.ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Deron playing 75+ games is far more of a reasonable prediction than Amare or Billups doing the same.
Black Mamba
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Your argument still makes no sense. Deng's rebounding dropped because of Boozer, Gibson, and Asik's presence on the glass. When you replace Brad Miller and Thomas with them, it's going to obviously be harder for Deng to rebound.
To fault Deng for playing with better rebounders is silly. Deng developed a 3 point shot this season which he shoots often. He hasn't declined in any facet of the game.
edit: And deng provides a lot more than Peja did. You are ignoring defense.
To fault Deng for playing with better rebounders is silly. Deng developed a 3 point shot this season which he shoots often. He hasn't declined in any facet of the game.
edit: And deng provides a lot more than Peja did. You are ignoring defense.
Sho_Nuff82
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I doubt a lingering wrist injury is going to take Deron out for any reasonable amount of time next year.
Either way (and I said it the day the trade went down) the Knicks would be bonkers to pick up Billups' option, even as tradebait. They have to be looking for Centers or PGs now with that money.
ryutaro's mama
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WHY IN THE BLUE HELL ARE WE DISCUSSING THE VIRTUES OF LUOL DENG?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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reilo said:
He's been limited for half the season in the last two years due to the wrist injury. The argument for the Nets is that they could easily become championship contenders if they A. Ditch Outlaw and Petro for expirings. And B. Sell Dwight on playing in Brooklyn with Deron. Neither of which is impossible in the slightest. Whereas the Knicks are locked into mediocrity for the next two seasons and then will suck afterward. And if the Nets fail, they'll have flexibility and will be picking high whereas the Knicks won't. Those are the arguments to be made, the others are hypocritical.
Plenty of good or even great rebounders have found themselves on teams with other great rebounders and not seen their rebounding numbers decline as dramatically as Deng's did. Pau and Odom come to mind immediately. Gerald Wallace being another.Black Mamba said:
That's not what the column said at all. Re-read it. Nobody even remotely made that suggestion, either.ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Knicks fans after they acquired Amare and Melo on the other hand...
LiveFromKyoto
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reilo said:
2011 NBA Playoffs |OT| of Remember that Knicks fans? When Stephon Marbury and Tim Thomas were your beacons of light?
ryutaro's mama
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thekad said:
kadme still chucking, like his hero, Kobe.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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reilo said:
I know the article said nothing about that which is why it was terrible. The Nets were an awful, terrible team this season and had more insane expectations so bashing the Knicks for going to the playoffs while the Nets finished as one of the five worst teams in the NBA is stupid. Nets fans arguing against the Knicks should only go for the higher upside argument.
It's a response to Knicks fans incessant trolling of the Nets this entire season. "Haha! We are back bitches! Look at you Nets, look at you now!"ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
A week later they get swept in the playoffs and there's huge uncertainty about their roster, coaching, and front-office. I'd say right now that the Nets have a clearer outlook/plan, but lower ceiling for the foreseeable future.
LiveFromKyoto said:
Marbury had the last laugh though, he knew his shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg
Dengs better now. He isn't taking as much of the scoring load, and they have a better bigs rotation. Along with lessening his scoring load has been putting him on the other teams best wing scorer. He's turned into a player that plays both ends. I hated on deng to start the season, and don't get me wrong, he's no Melo or Iggoudala, but he's better than he was.reilo said:
captmcblack
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Nets playoff games = 0.
Nets regular season wins = 24.
End of Nets discussion.
Nets regular season wins = 24.
End of Nets discussion.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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reilo said:
Nets fans trolled the Knicks all season long as well and ended up winning 20 fewer games. The dreams of the Nets making the playoffs after the Deron was more deluded than the dreams of the Knicks winning the title after the Melo trade as well.
I don't recall any Nets fans saying they were gonna make the playoffs.ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Besides, after they acquired Carmelo, the Knicks went 13-14, including a stretch where they lost 9 out of 10 versus the likes of Bucks (twice!), Pacers (twice!), Pistons, and Bobcats. That doesn't even include the two losses to the Cavs before that losing stretch.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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reilo said:
They did.
captmcblack
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Branduil said:
Whatever. This is the 2011 playoffs thread.
The only relevant Nets in the 2011 playoffs are the ones the Knicks couldn't get the damn ball into enough to beat Boston.
Sho_Nuff82
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captmcblack said:
The last time the Knicks won a playoff game I was a freshman in college, and I bet my roommate at the time that they wouldn't win a ring until 2020. My 10 year reunion is next year, and I'm still winning the bet easy.
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Who is "they"? My pre-season prediction was 25-30 wins.
ryutaro's mama
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Branduil said:
FUCKING.
SHIT.
Black Mamba
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reilo said:
1. Deng is not a power forward, those other players are (G-Wall plays it a bunch).
2. You're still wrong. It's a big issue among the stats-community because all evidence has shown that when you add a good rebounder to a team with another good rebounder, both rebounders tend to drop off or one significantly and the whole team feels a ripple effect (though not every player); there are large diminishing returns in rebounds.
Pau's rebounding % increased both years after Bynum got hurt. This year they went down after Bynum returned. Lamar saw biggest boosts from the injury. The biggest effects have been guys like Ron (2 worst years in LA).
Gerald Wallace is seeing no effect for 2 reasons. One, Charlotte was a slighty better rebounding team and two, Camby has missed games. Why would Wallace see a change in his numbers when teammates rebound the same on either team? It's no surprise that G-Wallace's worst year rebounding is the season Okafor and Nazr were playing together.
What's most hilarious is you claim great rebounders don't have as big a decline. But Noah, on Deng's team, had just as big a decline as Deng. Boozer has taken rebounds from him, too!
You know who else got worse? Boozer! Almost the same decline as Deng and Noah! All 3 of them declined.
There are only so many rebounds to go around. The more better rebounders you have the less valuable each one becomes on rebounds.
In fact, if you look at great rebounders changing teams especially (Rodmans, Cambys, etc) you will find that they negatively impact their teammate's ability to rebound (as a whole) every time. There is not a single example in NBA history of it not happening.
edit: it even happened to David Lee this year, and bigger than Deng. Suddenly he plays with Biedrens and Amundson and they all get worse. All 3 of them. It happens without fail.
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