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and you said this:
Your saying Lebron's supporting cast 2 years ago is worst than Kobe's today which is true, but is a pointless comparison, considering Lebron was playing with a better cast last year and still lost.
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2012 NBA Playoffs |OT3| If he dies, he dies *wink*
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and you said this:
Your saying Lebron's supporting cast 2 years ago is worst than Kobe's today which is true, but is a pointless comparison, considering Lebron was playing with a better cast last year and still lost.
MiamiWesker
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This GOAT talk is kind of pointless. Its Jordan, it will be Jordan for a long long time until someone incredible comes along. Honestly if there has to be a discussion about it, that person is not better than Jordan.
Let James have his own career. What he does is incredible, more skills than almost anyone that has ever played. He will win one eventually, hopefully this year and probably more than one. Whether he hits the final shot or not I don't care, teams are still needed to win championships. Just play well and we should have a great chance to win this year.
Now lets get game 1 and end this series in at least 5.
Let James have his own career. What he does is incredible, more skills than almost anyone that has ever played. He will win one eventually, hopefully this year and probably more than one. Whether he hits the final shot or not I don't care, teams are still needed to win championships. Just play well and we should have a great chance to win this year.
Now lets get game 1 and end this series in at least 5.
darkside31337
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AmericanAirlines Arena jumbotron just explained the H-E-A-T t-shirts concept. If you're wondering, you put the shirts on and spell HEAT.
Heat culture.
AmericanAirlines Arena jumbotron just explained the H-E-A-T t-shirts concept. If you're wondering, you put the shirts on and spell HEAT.
Heat culture.
Hahahaha...........NO!
iamshadowlark
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yes?
Skills? He has the one of the most Athletic body any one that has ever played has had, NOT skills. C'mon! His game looks terrible, but it works due to his size. I'll give you passing. He is nowhere near kobe level.
First of all, I was was saying that his supporting cast throughout his time in Cleveland was worse than the Lakers cast today. Much worse.
Secondly, I'm not absolving him of his play in the Finals last season. He choked.
I do think it's a bit harsh to criticize Lebron for not having multiple championships at this point in his career when last season was the first one where he had a team capable of winning a championship around him.
The again, maybe he is Oscar Robertson 2.0.
Your overrating Jordan and underestimating Lebron's greatness.
ClovingWestbrook
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Lol.
Fair approach, and the right one.
TheKaeptain
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You're getting athleticism confused with skill.
DeathbyVolcano
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Heat by 10, but it'll be close most of the game. Heat in 6.
iamshadowlark
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Passing, ball-handling, defense, rebounding, a decent jumper, insane finishing at the rim with both hands, etc.
Pretty much the only thing he doesn't have is a back to the basket game and he works on that.
LBJ can give you decent minutes at any position 1-4. There are probably less than 10 guys in the whole game who could say that.
ClovingWestbrook
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You mean you were NERDing it up! Dork!
Grimm Fandango
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mysticwhip
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Heat in 4
yup
yup
Hahaha. Ball handling? Wade is better. Jumper? Wade is better. Defense? Good but not the best out there. Rebounding? Athleticism, Finishing at the rim? Athleticisim. LOL For his position and size, all i'll give you is passing. That's it.
And on the positions he plays, AGAIN, only because of his athleticism. Not saying he is not a great player, but he is far from the most skillful player that has ever played.
Factually incorrect.
I hope Lebron and Wade don't have to constantly score 65+ together to win this series quickly. They're gonna need to average that in the finals to beat OKC or the spurs. I don't think if they exhaust themselves against the Celtics that they can do it again.
Pending the raptor.
Pending the raptor.
ClovingWestbrook
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Spoelstra never says ANYTHING but "Stay the course!". thats all he ever says. Really? Thats all it takes to coach the Heatles? REALLY?
DeathbyVolcano
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oh fuck this entire post. are you crazy?
iamshadowlark
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Of course there are players who do things better but nobody can do them all.
Your comment about wade having a better jumper already discredits your opinion severely, but go tell Kidd, Rondo, or Amare that rebounding is about athleticism.
What do you mean crazy? Lebron is the best player in the NBA right now but his athleticism plays a big part of why he is great not having the best skills, guy can't even post up to save his life. My response is to some saying lebron might be the most skilled player ever.
So let me get this straight, you mean to tell me having a big body does not help a rebounder?
DeathbyVolcano
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LOL at Wilbon thinking this series goes 7.
iamshadowlark
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What say you Amare?
My question is if a good athletic body helps you be a better rebounder.....Yes or No? Lebron is blessed with big hands, Larger body frame and is really quick. Those attributes combined with his above average skills make him a very good basketball player. But give him the skill set of a person like kobe? He'd be unstoppable.
ClovingWestbrook
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Oh look, LeBron dancing. SHOCKING!
iamshadowlark
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In the NBA it gets you almost nowhere on its own.
TheKaeptain
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Celtics in 5
ClovingWestbrook
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Truly a man before his time.
Does it help? That's my question.
friskykillface
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lol if Wade pulls Rondo down at all this series there will be a fight
Who are these players who were skilled while being horrible athletes?
The Insane Dufresne
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Don't care who wins the series. I just want this series to be watchable.
Heat in 6
That's not a hard list to make at all.
Kevin Love's rebounding skills are not hindered by his lack of athleticism.
The Chosen One
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Yeah, Jordan basically broke the game. He won every single individual award. Won three straight championships. He had done everything imaginable that he got bored with the game of basketball (while in his prime) and quit to play baseball. He then came back and won THREE more championships in a row in his 30s. Basically when Jordan was on the court, no other team was going to win a championship in the 90s.
No current superstar comes close to that dominance. Not Lebron, not Wade, not Duncan, and not Kobe.
For their ever to be another legit GOAT, they would have a dominate almost a full decade with winning championships in addition to the individual awards. They have to break the game. They would have to become the new unquestioned standard which all future great players are measured by.
ClovingWestbrook
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Damn does it seem like you eat like shit. We need you here for years man!
But yea, Chicken McNuggets from McDonalds is my weakness
Are you kidding me?!
Giri, I agree with you. Although I think Lebron needs at least 5 to be in the conversation with Jordan. Jordan got 6 and 6 Finals MVP's...he's not passing up Jordan because he rebounds better...my opinion anyway.
Also, The Dirk comparison isn't totally apt because Dirk winning one championship in the manner he did is somewhat over-achieving for him. The guy came into the league is nothing more than a jump shooter, Lebron came into the league as the Savior of basketball.
But overall I agree, once Lebron gets one, some of the backlash will fall off and he'll realize that he really needs 5-6 and he's late to the party.
As much as it hurts - that's absolutely true.
Also, The Dirk comparison isn't totally apt because Dirk winning one championship in the manner he did is somewhat over-achieving for him. The guy came into the league is nothing more than a jump shooter, Lebron came into the league as the Savior of basketball.
But overall I agree, once Lebron gets one, some of the backlash will fall off and he'll realize that he really needs 5-6 and he's late to the party.
As much as it hurts - that's absolutely true.
Ehhh...people always say this. But shitty supporting cast doesn't give you back to back 60 wins seasons.
iamshadowlark
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No, not if you don't have the skill.
Athletic body man. Let's see him rebound that well as he get's older.
Yeah. No one man show locks up homecourt twice in a row.
Err.... not really. Guys like that stay great rebounders throughout their career. He doesn't even jump half the time. He's all about positioning. Skill. Rebounding is a skill. And lark was actually dead on when he threw out the Amar'e pic.
Plenty of guys are Kevin Love big. They don't grab 30 boards in one night.
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