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2013 Feb NBA Season lOT| Controlling it like a man, bruh

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giri

Member
Zeus Molecules said:
Its just a rumor but I don't think its that bad of a trade though when you consider the Suns are looking for a regular season spark and the Knicks need a playoff roster. I could give reasons but who really wants to debate jared dudley vs Novak with Copeland as a kicker?
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It's a testament to how little you know about bball outside the knicks that you think novak and dudley are even remotely similar just because of their salary.
 
B

Black Mamba

Member
DY_nasty said:
Not only do you overvalue your unwatchable trash, but you don't even know how far you're off regarding Dudley's pricetag.
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Can you really blame Knicks fans, though? After a decade of being bitch-slapped in trades, they think it's the normal operation of these things.
 
G

giga

Member
LMAO

piml+
 
M

MorisUkunRasik

Member
Suns have no reason to get marginally better. It's either young guys with potential or picks.

Shumps/Novak might be enough but they really have no reason for these kinds of moves.
 
Z

Zeus Molecules

illegal immigrants are stealing our air
DY_nasty said:
Not only do you overvalue your unwatchable trash, but you don't even know how far you're off regarding Dudley's pricetag.
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Hey not everyone plays for the bobcats

giri said:
It's a testament to how little you know about bball outside the knicks that you think novak and dudley are even remotely similar just because of their salary.
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I admitted Jared was a better player. I never said hey Novak and Jared is a fair deal. What I said was it wasn't that bad of a trade when you look at the situation of both team.

Jared being better doesn't do much for the suns, he's not a game changer, he's just a good player on a good deal. Jared being there or not the sun's are a bum team that needs to rebuild and they know it. Until they can become a good team (through the draft cause they apparently said no to a trade for a star) it seems they just wan't to stay under the cap and get people to buy tickets (something Dy would know a lot about as a bobcats fan).

Novak doesn't hurt there plan and if he wins that 3 pt contest (and become a fan favorite like he is here in NY) hey more reason for Sun's (a shitty team) can use him to try to sell ticket. Also in the regular season Novak has proven to be a commodity who can score fast with few minutes. The only reason the knicks might be looking to move him is in preparation for the playoffs where they can't risk Novak not being on during a game.

As for Copeland same deal he can score and likely take the role of Frye (A big who could shoot the 3) and he has a team option on a cheap deal and youth.

Now with all that shit said about a trade rumor ya'll can EAD
 
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MorisUkunRasik

Member
The best reason for Phoenix to pull the trigger on the trade is 'why not, we're no good anyway.' Jared is a fan favorite in addition to being on a good value deal. Sarver loves him some bang for his buck.
 
G

giri

Member
Zeus Molecules said:
I admitted Jared was a better player. I never said hey Novak and Jared is a fair deal. What I said was it wasn't that bad of a trade when you look at the situation of both team.

Jared being better doesn't do much for the suns, he's not a game changer, he's just a good player on a good deal. Jared being there or not the sun's are a bum team that needs to rebuild and they know it. Until they can become a good team (through the draft cause they apparently said no to a trade for a star) it seems they just wan't to stay under the cap and get people to buy tickets (something Dy would know a lot about as a bobcats fan).

Novak doesn't hurt there plan and if he wins that 3 pt contest (and become a fan favorite like he is here in NY) hey more reason for Sun's (a shitty team) can use him to try to sell ticket. Also in the regular season Novak has proven to be a commodity who can score fast with few minutes.

As for Copeland same deal he can score and likely take the role of Frye (A big who can shoot the 3) and he has a team option on a cheap deal.

Now with all that shit said about a trade rumor ya'll can EAD
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In this post, your defense for trading a good player for a bad player is because salaries match.

There's not a single valid legitimate point in your entire rambling.

I know you've watched the knicks be a the shit-stain on most trade papers over the years, but here's a general rule, you don't trade a good player for a bad player just because and expect to get better.
 
R

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
"Give us your good player because they're on a shitty team and we are the Knicks!"

STFU. This isn't baseball.
 
H

h3ro

Member
reilo said:
"Give us your good player because they're on a shitty team and we are the Knicks!"

STFU. This isn't baseball.
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The trade makes no sense, I agree. We're not gonna get Dudley for a guy like Novak.

But if you're gonna mention baseball, then know that the Yankees are always asked much steeper prices in terms of prospects they give up and salary they are expected to take than what the teams eventually end up accepting from other teams, regardless of where they play (Mets with the Johan Santana trade).
 
Z

Zeus Molecules

illegal immigrants are stealing our air
giri said:
In this post, your defense for trading a good player for a bad player is because salaries match.

There's not a single valid legitimate point in your entire rambling.

I know you've watched the knicks be a the shit-stain on most trade papers over the years, but here's a general rule, you don't trade a good player for a bad player just because and expect to get better.
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reilo said:
"Give us your good player because they're on a shitty team and we are the Knicks!"

STFU. This isn't baseball.
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lol please shitty deals happen all the time in the NBA. If this happened this wouldn't even be the shittiest trade of the month. You guys can ead for acting otherwise.
 
T

The Frankman

Banned
Zeus Molecules said:
lol please shitty deals happen all the time in the NBA. If this happened this wouldn't even be the shittiest trade of the month. You guys can ead for acting otherwise.
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This. Just look at last summer, full of shitty signings/trades. Face it, with the new CBA looming I expect to see maybe 1-2 more weird deals. Hell, people were saying Memphis ain't even done.
 
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Black Mamba

Member
Most shitty deals happen because a team overvalued a player.

The Suns do not overvalue Novak nor undervalue Dudley.

If the Suns part with Dudley, it's going to be for some young prospect or a potentially good draft pick, not Steve Novak.

Bad deals happen doesn't mean every bad deal can happen.
 
D

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Zeus Molecules said:
lol please shitty deals happen all the time in the NBA. If this happened this wouldn't even be the shittiest trade of the month. You guys can ead for acting otherwise.
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"I know its shit, but all of it together weighs as much as that gold over there"
The Frankman said:
This. Just look at last summer, full of shitty signings/trades. Face it, with the new CBA looming I expect to see maybe 1-2 more weird deals. Hell, people were saying Memphis ain't even done.
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All of the one way deals last summer involved picks or young players.

Novak ain't young, and Copeland isn't even Stephen Graham good.
 
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MorisUkunRasik

Member
The Frankman said:
This. Just look at last summer, full of shitty signings/trades. Face it, with the new CBA looming I expect to see maybe 1-2 more weird deals. Hell, people were saying Memphis ain't even done.
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Yea but Phoenix is under the cap, gonna get a good pick and don't need to get worse.

Unless NY gives up shump/copeland or picks there's zero reason under the new CBA for the deal to go down.
 
T

The Frankman

Banned
I'm not even talking about that hilarious pipe dream w/ Novak and Dudley. I'm wondering what team will be next to try and shed some salary:
Code: 
                    [U]2012/13          2013/14        2014/15       2015/16[/U]
1. LA Lakers 	  $100,087,153     $78,186,630    $9,701,000            $0
2. Brooklyn 	   $87,577,676     $89,549,044   $77,896,864    $72,817,518
3. Orlando 	   $85,000,938     $73,919,649   $22,757,300     $7,750,000
4. Miami 	   $83,558,532     $85,600,797   $76,248,000    $65,785,000
5. Philadelphia    $80,748,933     $46,193,356   $26,761,995    $20,721,740
6. New York 	   $80,474,660     $76,404,547   $75,194,936     $8,290,000
7. Boston          $76,033,399     $69,954,194    $52,050,000    $14,875,000
8. Chicago 	   $74,638,230     $73,202,613   $56,812,876     $42,793,064
9. Portland 	   $73,463,681     $61,715,189   $52,943,338     $11,860,750
10. LA Clippers    $72,861,475     $28,883,088   $16,890,123      $5,675,000
11. Golden State   $71,549,736     $74,885,328   $25,641,213    $26,864,466
12. San Antonio    $70,102,467    $41,042,756    $26,886,446        $0
13. OKC Thunder    $69,787,657    $66,119,439    $59,362,920    $50,216,068
14. Cleveland 	   $69,152,851    $32,594,120       $0               $0
15. Detroit        $68,807,497     $35,172,720      $5,590,000      $0
16. Dallas         $68,552,089    $48,489,849     $7,798,000      $0
17. Denver         $67,970,254    $72,002,276     $46,905,628     $35,963,720
18. Atlanta 	   $66,598,487     $18,483,800     $17,450,000    $12,000,000
19. Toronto 	   $65,940,638    $65,887,884    $49,317,326    $9,500,000
20. Indiana 	   $65,705,130    $48,998,027    $30,398,938    $27,514,031
21. Minnesota 	   $65,640,185    $49,399,415    $20,238,563    $16,744,219
22. Utah           $65,551,445    $25,696,809    $0                      $0
23. Washington 	   $64,878,342    $67,353,043    $21,471,339    $13,000,000
24. Milwaukee 	   $63,909,521    $40,016,331    $18,962,576    $7,900,000
25. New Orleans    $63,880,914    $34,957,332    $23,390,438    $24,014,031
26. Memphis        $62,013,740     $60,467,539     $52,254,702      $9,680,000
27. Sacramento 	   $58,136,455    $43,640,740     $23,693,750    $6,431,250
28. Charlotte      $58,082,382     $40,420,327     $11,388,430    $0
29. Phoenix        $58,056,596     $51,272,380     $36,617,500     $11,750,000
30. Houston        $47,520,563     $39,739,473     $51,032,819      $15,719,062
Now that I see the current figures, Memphis really shed a ton of salary. What FA obligations do they have at the end of the year?
 
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