ryutaro's mama
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Ace, you know good and well, this is different than saying Kobe/AI/VC/Hill/Penny could be the "heir apparent" and making comparisons of LeBron to Jordan as the potential new GOAT.
Before winning a single championship.
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2013 NBA Finals |OT| The "Big 3" looks to hang another banner... against the Heat
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Ace, you know good and well, this is different than saying Kobe/AI/VC/Hill/Penny could be the "heir apparent" and making comparisons of LeBron to Jordan as the potential new GOAT.
Before winning a single championship.
Blackace
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This just flat out isn't true
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I am laughing my ass off right now.
Just correcting illogical revisionist history by showing another clear example.
Same with the Magic. Look at Rashard, Jameer, HEDO, Alston now.
Trying to act like the drop off from 2009 Cavs players to 2013 Cavs players is because Lebron made all his teammates better is silly because that's the case across the board for most teams.
Much of those teammates who were battling in the Finals or CF are hot garbage right now.
Same with the Magic. Look at Rashard, Jameer, HEDO, Alston now.
Trying to act like the drop off from 2009 Cavs players to 2013 Cavs players is because Lebron made all his teammates better is silly because that's the case across the board for most teams.
Much of those teammates who were battling in the Finals or CF are hot garbage right now.
ryutaro's mama
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Blackace
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I know good and well that all those players were GOAT just like LBJ and Melo were Magic and Bird for NO reason
It's just for ratings
Hate LBJ for the DECISION whining flopping not being able to use a screen or for weak footwork
Not for the media
Blackace
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No you are not...
Go back and look at the rosters of the Magic, the Nuggets, the Suns, the Lakers and compare those players to how they are now.
90% of those players are either out of the league or irrelevant like Lamar or HEDO. The fact that people only think this way about the Cavs teams isn't anyone's fault but their own
ryutaro's mama
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I have never heard the media say any of those guys (AI/VC/Kobe/Grant/etc) were the GOAT before winning anything.
If you want to compare LeBron's passing to Magic, that's one thing but to start a conversation about GOAT when you were swept in the Finals and lost to Dirk and the Pips?
I remember last year, when LeBron finally won, ESPN was ranking how dominant that Finals victory was and how it ranked against Jordan's victories.
It was must see TV.
Ffs Cavs had HC and were the havy championship favorites going into the postseason both those years.
In 3 years when Wade and Bosh are busted role players someone's gonna say "look at this shit Lebron played with in 2011 it's a small wonder he carried that team a far as he did"
In 3 years when Wade and Bosh are busted role players someone's gonna say "look at this shit Lebron played with in 2011 it's a small wonder he carried that team a far as he did"
Still better than Cloudy and his posting of Vanessa's tweets
Blackace
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The fact Lamar isn't as good as he once was doesn't change the fact that the Cavs were hot trash
Bam Bam Baklava
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You'll be hating him too when he leaves the Heat.
Blackace
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This might be the stupidest thing I have read in here
ryutaro's mama
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Or commenting on the "cuteness" of questionably aged girls.
4 - 40% 3 point shooters.
Shaq coming off of All Star season
Jamison coming off of All Star Season
Mo coming off of All-Star season
Verajao who was one of the best defensive bigs in the game
You're crazy if you think that's a bad team in 2010.
You just wait. There's already "Lebron needs help" posts and articles on ESPN
Shaq coming off of All Star season
Jamison coming off of All Star Season
Mo coming off of All-Star season
Verajao who was one of the best defensive bigs in the game
You're crazy if you think that's a bad team in 2010.
You just wait. There's already "Lebron needs help" posts and articles on ESPN
ryutaro's mama
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Ok, Vahagn....
The year after Jordan left in 1994: Bulls had 50+ wins. Not a shit team.
The year after LeBron left Cleveland in 2011: Exactly.
Staph it, brah.
The year after Jordan left in 1994: Bulls had 50+ wins. Not a shit team.
The year after LeBron left Cleveland in 2011: Exactly.
Staph it, brah.
Blackace
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Mo forced on the all-star and Shaq clearly a shell of his former self Jaminson as well
Yeah great points
You just showed how little you know! Awesome
And Wade chipped without LBJ and if anything is overrated
BadAss2961
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Vahagn is actually right about this shaming of the Cavs bullshit. They were a solid team of role players built around LeBron's game.
Blackace
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Where is Scottie Pippen NOW?
Blackace
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They were a solid defensive team but that's it
Claiming they were good because Mo Williams was an all-star is sad
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They were good enough to dominate the regular season, and good enough to be favorites among championship contenders for a couple seasons. Now people literally talk about them like they were a joke. And LeBron is a bitch for going along with it.
Also, the media is already succeeding in shaming Wade and especially Bosh to protect LeBron. The insiders like Stephen A who suck up to the superstars don't want to piss off Wade, so they let him off the hook with his phantom knee excuse. But they're just teeing off on Bosh. lol
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Vagh,
Question: If Kobe had led the Lakers to this year's championship while winning NBA Finals MVP where would you have ranked him all time?
Question: If Kobe had led the Lakers to this year's championship while winning NBA Finals MVP where would you have ranked him all time?
Zeus Molecules
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He's imposing his will on Best GAF.... vag is truly in his prime right now.... in a few years he might not be around so this conversation is pointless..... but still
Psychological Intellect
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what have you done
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It's a valid question. If Kobe had led the Lakers to this years chip he'd have 6 championships and 3 NBA Finals MVP's. Since some folks are counting the Kobe 2nd option championships as much as they count MJ's 1st option championships, then...
Vag is working hard to maintain his lead on you.
LOL @ Pau wasn't amazing. Kobe age always likes to shit on Pau despite all the great things he's done for the Lakers ever since he's been here.
One Kobe argument a day keeps the sanity away.
devious.one
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Y'all got serious reading comprehension issues.
1) No one said the Cavs supporting cast were as good as Jordan's Bulls (also didn't 3 Peat) or that Mo was as good as Pau
2) I pointed out that judging the Cavs supporting cast by how they are now, instead of forgetting how good those players were then, in that system is stupid. And skews the issue. Just like comparing 2013 version of the 2009-10 Lakers, Nuggets, Suns, Magic teams would do the same thing. I'm right on this, no one can say that Lamar, Farmar, Vujacic, Ariza, Bynum, Shannon Brown, Channing Frye, Jared Dudley, Hedo, Rafer Alston, Jameer, Etc. are leaps and bounds better this past season than Jamison, Verajao, Mo, etc. SOME OF THOSE GUYS a little better? Sure. Leaps and bounds better? No. So I don't wanna hear about how crappy Mo is on the Jazz. That's irrelevant cuz rafer fucking Alston ain't even in the league no more.
Kobe, Dwight, Lebron, Wade - none of those guys were on a team with multiple HOFers...the league was so spread out back then you could get away with one real true HOF player. We can get into Pau all day long. Suffice it to say if Pau was used then like Pau or Bosh are used now. He wouldn't be as great.
3) Bolton. I don't think Kobe 6 = Jordan 6. But I'm consistent. I know that Bird, Magic, Kareem, West, Shaq, Timmy...none of those guys won Finals MVP every year they chipped either. You seem to only use that argument against Kobe. Kobe 6 with 3 finals MVP's is better than Bird 3 with 2. Or Duncan 4 with 3, or Shaq 4 with 3. Or Kareem 6 with 2. Same Finals MVP's, more chips right? Makes objective sense?
I don't know where he'd be. Easily above Shaq and TD and Dream. Probably 6th all time.
1) No one said the Cavs supporting cast were as good as Jordan's Bulls (also didn't 3 Peat) or that Mo was as good as Pau
2) I pointed out that judging the Cavs supporting cast by how they are now, instead of forgetting how good those players were then, in that system is stupid. And skews the issue. Just like comparing 2013 version of the 2009-10 Lakers, Nuggets, Suns, Magic teams would do the same thing. I'm right on this, no one can say that Lamar, Farmar, Vujacic, Ariza, Bynum, Shannon Brown, Channing Frye, Jared Dudley, Hedo, Rafer Alston, Jameer, Etc. are leaps and bounds better this past season than Jamison, Verajao, Mo, etc. SOME OF THOSE GUYS a little better? Sure. Leaps and bounds better? No. So I don't wanna hear about how crappy Mo is on the Jazz. That's irrelevant cuz rafer fucking Alston ain't even in the league no more.
Kobe, Dwight, Lebron, Wade - none of those guys were on a team with multiple HOFers...the league was so spread out back then you could get away with one real true HOF player. We can get into Pau all day long. Suffice it to say if Pau was used then like Pau or Bosh are used now. He wouldn't be as great.
3) Bolton. I don't think Kobe 6 = Jordan 6. But I'm consistent. I know that Bird, Magic, Kareem, West, Shaq, Timmy...none of those guys won Finals MVP every year they chipped either. You seem to only use that argument against Kobe. Kobe 6 with 3 finals MVP's is better than Bird 3 with 2. Or Duncan 4 with 3, or Shaq 4 with 3. Or Kareem 6 with 2. Same Finals MVP's, more chips right? Makes objective sense?
I don't know where he'd be. Easily above Shaq and TD and Dream. Probably 6th all time.
jobber
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so salty after getting dat broom
why don't you take a break until the draft...oh yeah the Suns have your pick right?
MorisUkunRasik
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This thread was actually decent for a while earlier....the fuck guys?
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Good god Vag nobody gives a fuck.
Zeus Molecules
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Damn vag they got you writing paragraphs..... lmao
I chuckled
jobber
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meh...If the rumors are true, Minnesota will waste that pick on some guy that won't be in the league in 2 years.
I don't have console loyalty. Video games are starting to suck. If it wasn't for PS+, I wouldn't turn on my ps3.
Zeus Molecules
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What are the rumors?
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Kareem 6 chips 2 Finals MVPs is more
Impressive than Kobe 6 chips 3 finals MVPs. Why? Kareem won 6 MVPs, was the first option on 3-4 of the chips, and more dominating. I'd say that Hakeems 2 rings are just as if not more impressivs than Kobe's 5 since Hakeem pretty much did it alone. Shaq's 3 chips with Kobe are more impressive than Kobe's 5 (2 being without Shaq).
If LeBron were to win 4 chips but be the dominating player on those 4 teams it's more impressive than Kobe's 5.
When Kobe does it, I'm not impressed
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Kobes amazing, possibly a top10 player but he had the luxury of Shaq. Hakeem didnt have that. TD has never had that. LeBron doesnt have that.
MorisUkunRasik
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Vahagn has used the word 'kobe' 40+ times in the past 24 hours....go ahead...check it out.
Gordon0Freeman
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Game 5 will be epic since the series will be tied at 2-2
jobber
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Kevin Love going to Cleveland for draft picks and scraps.
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Not sure whats worse, him using it 40+ times or you counting....