7950x3D is now at the top of the food chain for gaming!

Poppyseed said:
But in 5 years time the games will be different anyway. I don't see the logic, at all. If no benchmarks ever show me resolutions that people spending this kind of money actually use, how would you ever know when to upgrade? One can't just throw an i3 CPU in with a 4090 and call it good for 4K. There's value to the high resolutions.

All I'm really getting from review of games at 1080p with expensive hardware is this: don't upgrade your CPU.
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I still don't think you understand how this works lmao. So what would be your suggestion to "fair" CPU testing?
 
64bitmodels said:
Honestly I don't think I will be leaving am4 soon with the Temps of the new ryzens, however it's nice to see amd doing so well
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Same here. I'm mostly playing single player games so anything above 60fps playing at 4K is fine by me and in most cases my 5600X is fine as my 4080 is doing most of the work.
 
Magic Carpet said:
My intel 13700F is almost $200 cheaper and performs a bit more. What does this chip do that mine can't? Power usage?
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The 7800X3D and 7950X3D are faster than the 13700F By almost 10%. While using half the power in games.
The 7800X3D has a similar price to the 13700F.

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Great news for the 3 guys playing at 1080p on a 4090.

0.01% over a 13700k at 4k (but 60% more expensive) or equal to a 13900k with PBO max and undervolt (and 6% more expensive).

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winjer said:
For several reason. The main one is to know which CPU is the best for games. Running at 4K means all results will be similar.
Processing high amounts of pixels strains the GPU. Not the CPU. And it means the GPU will often become a bottleneck.
Another reason is that we usually upgrade the GPU more often, than the CPU. So a mid range GPU in a few years, will be more powerful than a current high end GPU.
Another reason is that the most used resolution is still 1080p. And the monitor class that is most sold today is 1440p. Few people are playing at 4K.
There are probably more playing with 1080p or 1440p screens with very high refresh rates, than at 4K. Especially for competitive games.
Another reason is that minimum FPS are still very important. So knowing which CPU cand deliver the best performance, is important to get a smooth gameplay experience.
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I'm glad to see this post (and many others) that actually understand why. It's been the standard for a long time simply because it works.

I play at 4k and have now about a decade (got my 4k monitor in 2014). When I move to a platform I typically plan to keep it a while. My 4790k lasted me till 2020... if kept using the FX-9590 I had prior or *gasp* went with an i5 4690k as hyper threading on the i7 was a "waste of money" I'd have had to upgrade years earlier. In that same time I went from a 290X > RX580 (needed the 8gb vram) > Vega 56/64 > Radeon VII. I only upgraded in 2020 to an i9 10900 (and then 11900k as I got it in a bundle with a new z590 board for $300 as I needed a second rig). I plan to keep this 11900k rig for at least another GPU upgrade over my current 6900XT.

Long story short, I heavily rely on these low res cpu benchmarks to see where a cpu will be at in a few years. At 4k, even my 11900k is only like 15% slower than the 14900k / 7800X3D which means in reality with CPU heavy titles or when I get a much faster GPU (I'm not upgrading to anything less than 7900XTX / 4080 / 4090 performance) my 11900k is going to need replacing after that if I want to upgrade again.

And at this rate, it looks like AMD will be getting my money again.

Magic Carpet said:
Newegg
13700F $344
7950X3d $581
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7800X3d is only $356 on newegg right now. It's a no brainer if your main focus is gaming.
 
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SoloCamo said:
I'm glad to see this post (and many others) that actually understand why. It's been the standard for a long time simply because it works.

I play at 4k and have now about a decade (got my 4k monitor in 2014). When I move to a platform I typically plan to keep it a while. My 4790k lasted me till 2020... if kept using the FX-9590 I had prior or *gasp* went with an i5 4690k as hyper threading on the i7 was a "waste of money" I'd have had to upgrade years earlier. In that same time I went from a 290X > RX580 (needed the 8gb vram) > Vega 56/64 > Radeon VII. I only upgraded in 2020 to an i9 10900 (and then 11900k as I got it in a bundle with a new z590 board for $300 as I needed a second rig). I plan to keep this 11900k rig for at least another GPU upgrade over my current 6900XT.

Long story short, I heavily rely on these low res cpu benchmarks to see where a cpu will be at in a few years. At 4k, even my 11900k is only like 15-20% slower than the 14900k / 7800X3D which means in reality with CPU heavy titles or when I get a much faster GPU (I'm not upgrading to anything less than 7900XTX / 4080 / 4090 performance) my 11900k is going to need replacing after that if I want to upgrade again.

And at this rate, it looks like AMD will be getting my money again.



7800X3d is only $356 on newegg right now. It's a no brainer if your main focus is gaming.
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Pretty sure the thread title says 7950X3D
 
It blows my mind that anyone would get the 7950 when the 14900 is literally almost double…
 
winjer said:
Did you even read my post. I said 7800X3D and 13700K.
Newegg
7800X3D 369$

For games, it's the best bang for the buck.
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Sory, Yes I see now that you are makeing the comparison to the 7800X3D
Bang for buck, yes I see that now.

I'm trying to compare my 13700F with this new 7950X3d. and wondering if it's worth the 200 dollar price difference. What can the 7950X3d do that my heat producing 13700F can't?
 
Magic Carpet said:
Sory, Yes I see now that you are makeing the comparison to the 7800X3D
Bang for buck, yes I see that now.

I'm trying to compare my 13700F with this new 7950X3d. and wondering if it's worth the 200 dollar price difference. What can the 7950X3d do that my heat producing 13700F can't?
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Are we talking only about games? Then why go for a 7950X3D?
The 7800X3D is just a fast and cheaper.
And just like I have already told you, it's faster and much more power efficient than the 13700F.
It also has a big trick that yours doesn't have: AM5.
While socket FCLGA1700 will have no more CPUs releasing for it. AM5 will have support for several more generations of CPUs.
This means that when Zen5 or Zen6 releases, users can just buy the new CPU, without having to buy a new motherboard and memory.
Meanwhile, you have to buy a new motherboard to do a new generation upgrade.
 
I don't know if it's what OP intended but this thread just kind of makes buying the 7950 seem silly when you can have performance that is practically the same in the 7800 for a substantial reduction in price. Also, the 7800 was faster in Cyberpunk, so it's not even an across the board win.

In my mind, the 7800x3D is still the winner, as the additional performance of the 7950 in some scenarios does not at all justify the price.
 
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Magic Carpet said:
Newegg
13700F $344
7950X3d $581
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Canuck here, best price:
13700KF - 459$ (or 498.94$ for the K if you need onboard)
7950X3D = 797.50$.

Best prices out of Vuugo, amazon, newegg, canada computers, best buy, shoptbot, pc-canada.

Even with the prices you quoted the 7950X3D is 69% more expensive. the 13900k is 499.99$ (with code 422PAXE) at newegg, so you're paying 20% more for less performance at 4k.
 
poodaddy said:
I don't know if it's what OP intended but this thread just kind of makes buying the 7950 seem silly when you can have performance that is practically the same in the 7800 for a substantial reduction in price. Also, the 7800 was faster in Cyberpunk, so it's not even an across the board win.

In my mind, the 7800x3D is still the winner, as the additional performance of the 7950 in some scenarios does not at all justify the price.
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Some just want the best (in average )no matter the price.
 
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OverHeat said:
Some just want the best no matter the price.
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That's silliness when you're paying 55$ per frame. You'll never notice the difference in performance, and hell even in the video he concluded that the 7800 makes sense for most people over the 7950. I get what you're saying, but that's just dick measuring behavior. The 7800x3D is the current king for gaming in terms of CPU's, and hell it even outperforms the 7950 in quite a few applications, making the 7950 not even a straight up win, it's kind of more of a lateral move. I mean, everyone can do what they want with their money, but if anyone has a 7800x3D, there's absolutely no need to upgrade currently if they're just gaming on it. Good on AMD though, they're killing it lately. Always happy to see price drops too, might be time for me to upgrade my aging i7 9700k..... we'll see.
 
Euler007 said:
Canuck here, best price:
13700KF - 459$ (or 498.94$ for the K if you need onboard)
7950X3D = 797.50$.

Best prices out of Vuugo, amazon, newegg, canada computers, best buy, shoptbot, pc-canada.

Even with the prices you quoted the 7950X3D is 69% more expensive. the 13900k is 499.99$ (with code 422PAXE) at newegg, so you're paying 20% more for less performance at 4k.
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Yep, this is why Winjer is talking about the 7800X3D is a much better option.
I don't see why anyone would want the 7950X3D for anything more than bragging rights.
 
There is a 7600x3d? I missed the memo on that!

My 7600x gives me my 110fps avg target so no need for the cache. Happy for the bros that can use the extra cpu headroom on the x3d parts.
 
Core for core Zen5 is >40% faster than Zen4 in SPEC. (c) Kepler

So people can choose AM5 or dead end intel platform
 
Draugoth said:
How does it compare to the 14900K? I was planing to get it by the end of the year
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Depends. If the game doesn't care about the 3D cache its just numbers that you won't notice in real life. Pretty big difference if the game does make use of it though.
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MikeM said:
There is a 7600x3d? I missed the memo on that!
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No. It's a hypothetical CPU.
They disabled one of the 7900x3D's CCX (the one without x3D cache) turning it from a 12core/24thread CPU into a 6core/12 thread CPU a "7600x3D".
 
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samoilaaa said:
my 3900x is still good enough considering that 60 fps is enough for me , i hope i wont upgrade for another 5 years
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If you have a newer GPU then your frametimes will be taking a hard beating in modern games even if you're only targeting 60fps.

Just grab a 5700x3d if you can.
 
samoilaaa said:
my 3900x is still good enough considering that 60 fps is enough for me , i hope i wont upgrade for another 5 years
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GHG said:
If you have a newer GPU then your frametimes will be taking a hard beating in modern games even if you're only targeting 60fps.

Just grab a 5700x3d if you can.
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That's a good, cheap upgrade. I'd jump on that and sell the 3900X on ebay and recoup a third to half the cost.
 
Magic Carpet said:
Yep, this is why Winjer is talking about the 7800X3D is a much better option.
I don't see why anyone would want the 7950X3D for anything more than bragging rights.
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The 7950x3d is for when you want a good gaming CPU but you also need the extra cores for your non-gaming PC usage.
 
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Codeblew said:
The 7950x3d is for when you want a good gaming CPU but you also need the extra cores for you non-gaming PC usage.
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I'm in a qundry.
Back in November I bought a prebuilt OEM lenovo legion with a 13700F. I find out it's a dead end of life motherboard.
All I have to do is stick an rtx 5000 series in it to last me several more years. By then the AM5 will be dead end of life motherboards.
I guess I'm out of shopping around till whatever is next on the horizon.
Would be nice to have more umph in my PC right now though.
 
Can we get benchmarks for how people actually use their PCs? Like playing a game with a dozen chrome tabs on another monitor, with a YouTube video going.
 
amigastar said:
How is it possible that a Ryzen 7 7800X3D is better than the Ryzen 9 7900X3D? Shouldn't be the latter better?
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7900x3d (12cores/24threads) and 7950x3d (16cores/32threads) use two ccds with half the cores on each. 7950x3d has one ccd with 8cores and one ccd with 8cores+3d cache. The ccd without 3d cache can turbo clock higher, but the ccd with the 3d cache is usually better at gaming. For non-gaming software, the 7950x3d is better at utilizing all cores for great performance.

The 7900x3d has the same setup, but fewer cores (12 total) so each ccd has only 6 cores. One has 6cores and the other has 6cores+3d cache. Similar to the 7950x3d, but in gaming applications the software will usually just utilize the ccd with 6cores and the 3d cache.

The 7800x3d is an 8core/16 thread cpu. Unlike the other two it has just one ccd with all 8cores+3d cache. It's great for gaming as software will just utilize everything available without issue. Has fewer overall cores than the other two, so non-gaming performance won't be as good. It is basically has the same performance as the 7950x3d (if you disable the non 3d cache ccd), at a much cheaper price.

As far as 7800x3d vs 7900x3d, well for gaming it is basically a 8/16 3d cache cpu going up against a 6/12 3d cache cpu, which is why it performs better even though the 7900x3d costs more.
 
Draugoth said:
14900K is considerably cheaper in my country, I will have to go for it :/
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Intel's 14900K is a great CPU, don't worry. Compared to the 7800X3D, it's only a 5% difference at 1080p, according to HUB's tests. At 4K, it's basically the same.



The main considerations are the following -

You can most likely upgrade the CPU in the future if you get a 7800X3D since AMD will continue to use the same motherboard configuration in their next generation of CPUs. If considering the 14900K, Intel is probably going to release a new motherboard layout for their 1500 series of CPU, so if you want to upgrade, you'll have to get a new motherboard too.

If you care about heavily multithreaded productivity applications as well as gaming, then the 14900K is the better choice. The Intel chip has a large advantage for productivity applications, while experiencing only a small disadvantage at 1080p gaming, and not much difference at 4K gaming.

If you like to overclock your memory, you will have more headroom with the 14900K and could probably get better performance, especially in the 1% lows. However, that also requires that you know what you're doing and that you are willing to buy expensive RAM.

TLDR if the 14900K is cheaper for you, then getting it is a fine option.
 
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64bitmodels said:
Most people don't have 2 monitors.
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I have two, 28" 4k and a 24" 1080p. However, I also actually focus on my games when I play them and don't watch a movie/video at the same time (what's the point because a game that allows you to watch something else while gaming seems like a snorefest?) That said, I actually use the second monitor to monitor gpu / cpu / system clocks & temps.
 
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