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A vehicle has been driven into people in the Swedish capital Stockholm, injuring many

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Police briefing confirmed 4 dead and 15 wounded. One person, behaving suspiciously and matching the description, has been taken into custody. They are not ruling out additional suspects at this point.

No shooting has been confirmed at any of the previously reported locations.
 

Audioboxer

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Swedes seem to be disproportionally represented online.

No lies detected it seems

The Internet in Sweden is used by 94.0% of the population, the fourth highest usage rate in the world, behind only the Falkland Islands (96.9%), Iceland (96.0%), and Norway (95%). Sweden ranks 18th and 5th highest in the world in terms of the percentage of its fixed and wireless broadband subscriptions. It has the second fastest average internet connection speed in the world.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Sweden
 
Police briefing confirmed 4 dead and 15 wounded. One person, behaving suspiciously and matching the description, has been taken into custody. They are not ruling out additional suspects at this point.

No shooting has been confirmed at any of the previously reported locations.

I hope the wounded pull through
 

Nivash

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Swedes seem to be disproportionally represented online.

Well, we speak English well and come from a small country, so pretty much any English speaking forum is going to be much more active than our own. That's the reason I'm here, anyway. The only large-ish Swedish speaking forum around would be Flashback which is, well, kind of dominated by nazis right now.
 

Madness

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All of this is hyperbole. There's a bigger chance of slipping in the bathtub and killing yourself than dying in a terrorist attack.

I mean, did any of you live during the 70's and 80's? Because terrorist groups were having a field day back then across Europe.

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The only difference is that islamic terrorist tend to favour mass attacks that create more casualties in a single event, but it really feels like nothing compared to the continuous dripping of shootings and car bombs we had back then. I've never felt safer.

Sort of. Like you said, mass terrorist attacks were rare. Things like the Bataclan theatre attack and others have more deaths in a single event than dozens of small events. But it also ignores that a lot of terror attacks in the 60's and 70's and 80's were due to independence movements things like the IRA in Northern Ireland, Basque Separatists, political movements, Communist proxy attacks during the cold war etc. These days, Western Europe is now facing different terrorism in that it is non-European funded, non-European organized with the sole goal of no political change but death and chaos. Also, aside from Ander Breivik's terrorist attack, most have been Islamic radicalist attacks staged, planned from the Middle East especially Iraq, Saudi Arabia and terror cells now working in the country. Saying you've never felt safer is no comfort especially when your own graph is showing a massive increase again. Also, you have to account for the fact that American and European intelligence are much stronger than in the past. How many attacks are prevented by intelligence we don't know about?
 

strafer

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Well, we speak English well and come from a small country, so pretty much any English speaking forum is going to be much more active than our own. That's the reason I'm here, anyway. The only large-ish Swedish speaking forum around would be Flashback which is, well, kind of dominated by nazis right now.

Superplay had a large forum back in the day. Was a member there for the longest time until they shutdown and I found NeoGAF.

Flashback I try to stay away from.
 
Sort of. Like you said, mass terrorist attacks were rare. Things like the Bataclan theatre attack and others have more deaths in a single event than dozens of small events. But it also ignores that a lot of terror attacks in the 60's and 70's and 80's were due to independence movements things like the IRA in Northern Ireland, Basque Separatists, political movements, Communist proxy attacks during the cold war etc. These days, Western Europe is now facing different terrorism in that it is non-European funded, non-European organized with the sole goal of no political change but death and chaos. Also, aside from Ander Breivik's terrorist attack, most have been Islamic radicalist attacks staged, planned from the Middle East especially Iraq, Saudi Arabia and terror cells now working in the country. Saying you've never felt safer is no comfort especially when your own graph is showing a massive increase again. Also, you have to account for the fact that American and European intelligence are much stronger than in the past. How many attacks are prevented by intelligence we don't know about?

Do you have any source for the claim that most recent terror attacks had Islamic background? The second-biggest in terms of victims in Germany last year was the nationalist one in Munich for example.
 
horrifying and hits way too close to home, being Finnish and living in Turku which is on the other side of the "pond" from Stockholm.. going there next week actually on a cruise ship with some co-worker friends.

i read about this attack at work, in the main hospital of Turku.. i was on my computer upstairs from the trauma unit in the ER, and i couldn't help but think how it would look in there if this type of attack happened in our city... ugh, it would be too much.. they are already overwhelmed with regular trauma patients 24/7, if they had to suddenly deal with perhaps dozens of critically injured patients driven over with a truck... i can't even imagine. it would be a nightmarish scene in the ER. and i would have to go there too and see it all... i don't know if i could handle it to be honest. i'm used to seeing broken hips and twisted ankles and stuff, only rarely something truly bad..

this sort of horror can't keep happening. it just can't.
 

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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Fucking hell. Good friend of mine lives in Stockholm and I've heard nothing from her yet today. Granted, she's not huge on the social media, but it would be nice to know she's okay.
 
Sort of. Like you said, mass terrorist attacks were rare. Things like the Bataclan theatre attack and others have more deaths in a single event than dozens of small events. But it also ignores that a lot of terror attacks in the 60's and 70's and 80's were due to independence movements things like the IRA in Northern Ireland, Basque Separatists, political movements, Communist proxy attacks during the cold war etc. These days, Western Europe is now facing different terrorism in that it is non-European funded, non-European organized with the sole goal of no political change but death and chaos. Also, aside from Ander Breivik's terrorist attack, most have been Islamic radicalist attacks staged, planned from the Middle East especially Iraq, Saudi Arabia and terror cells now working in the country. Saying you've never felt safer is no comfort especially when your own graph is showing a massive increase again. Also, you have to account for the fact that American and European intelligence are much stronger than in the past. How many attacks are prevented by intelligence we don't know about?

Even if there IS a solid trend and we get back to the 70's levels, people lived happily back then too. 440 people killed in 1988? What was the population of western Europe back then (edit: apparently 177 million)? What was the murder rate? What was the traffic accident rate? What was the drowning rate? Terrorism was and is an extremely uncommon cause of death, and we shouldn't panic and change our entire society for the worse because of it.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Sort of. Like you said, mass terrorist attacks were rare. Things like the Bataclan theatre attack and others have more deaths in a single event than dozens of small events. But it also ignores that a lot of terror attacks in the 60's and 70's and 80's were due to independence movements things like the IRA in Northern Ireland, Basque Separatists, political movements, Communist proxy attacks during the cold war etc. These days, Western Europe is now facing different terrorism in that it is non-European funded, non-European organized with the sole goal of no political change but death and chaos. Also, aside from Ander Breivik's terrorist attack, most have been Islamic radicalist attacks staged, planned from the Middle East especially Iraq, Saudi Arabia and terror cells now working in the country. Saying you've never felt safer is no comfort especially when your own graph is showing a massive increase again. Also, you have to account for the fact that American and European intelligence are much stronger than in the past. How many attacks are prevented by intelligence we don't know about?
We are seeing spikes.

And intelligence back then was pretty damn good at times. Probably much better than it is now. ETA was leaking like a sieve for the old CESID, just to point one particular group. Then there is also the fact that old school terrorism was even more damaging since it created huge political rifts painting entire regions as terrorist havens whereas islamic terrorism has very little political and social support and is widely considered the work of monstruous savages. Local terrorist movements were hugely problematic and divisive in comparison. They did a fucking number on Spanish politics. Islamic terrorism is a much more black and white issue in comparison.

I was relatively near of the Atocha bombings and I've been close enough to an ETA car bomb to know that explosives smell like fireworks. My mother had her shop two blocks away from the location of one of GRAPO's ugliest attacks, not to mention that two of my relatives (a high ranking military officer and a judge) were under protection because they were potential targets for a number of terrorist groups.

I'm not scared of those chumps.
 

Madness

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Do you have any source for the claim that most recent terror attacks had Islamic background? The second-biggest in terms of victims in Germany last year was the nationalist one in Munich for example.

The Germany Munich attacker killed 10. In Nice, France almost 84 killed and hundreds wounded or maimed. Charlie Hebdo shooting France killed 12+. Brussels bombing killed 32+ and wounded almost 300+. The Paris Bataclan attacks killed almost 130+ in what was the highest death toll in France sjnce WWII.
 

Nivash

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Superplay had a large forum back in the day. Was a member there for the longest time until they shutdown and I found NeoGAF.

Flashback I try to stay away from.

Oh right, I was a member of Superplay for a while too. Totally forgot until now.

I was actually offered a moderator position on Flashback almost ten years ago. I was wasting my time debating racists on their politics board for whatever reason back then. Some admin - who apparently wasn't a fan of racists either - tried to recruit me. Shot that down right away, was already on my way out by that time. That place isn't good for your sanity.

Flashback is a scary place

No shit. Even the admin's recruitment message was creepy. He literally opened with "we have been watching you for some time now and like what we see". I wasn't sure at first if he was trying to recruit me, make me join a cult or seduce me.

EDIT: Right, kind of forgot what this thread was actually about. Sorry for the derail.
 
We are seeing spikes.

And intelligence back then was pretty damn good at times. Probably much better than it is now. ETA was leaking like a sieve for the old CESID, just to point one particular group. Then there is also the fact that old school terrorism was even more damaging since it created huge political rifts painting entire regions as terrorist havens whereas islamic terrorism has very little political and social support and is widely considered the work of monstruous savages. Local terrorist movements were hugely problematic and divisive in comparison. They did a fucking number on Spanish politics. Islamic terrorism is a much more black and white issue in comparison.

I was relatively near of the Atocha bombings and I've been close enough to an ETA car bomb to know that explosives smell like fireworks. My mother had her shop two blocks away from the location of one of GRAPO's ugliest attacks, not to mention that two of my relatives (a high ranking military officer and a judge) were under protection because they were potential targets for a number of terrorist groups.

I'm not scared of those chumps.
I think it also really depends on the region you live in. Countries like Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark for example have to my knowledge no large history with terrorist attacks like the UK or Spain had. Yet with the current terrorist strikes these countries might be a target tomorrow, or in the case of Sweden, today.
 
The Germany Munich attacker killed 10. In Nice, France almost 84 killed and hundreds wounded or maimed. Charlie Hebdo shooting France killed 12+. Brussels bombing killed 32+ and wounded almost 300+. The Paris Bataclan attacks killed almost 130+ in what was the highest death toll in France sjnce WWII.

The Berlin attacks had 12 deaths and 56 injuries. The Munich attacks had 10 deaths and 36 injuries. It's still the second biggest of last year here in Germany.

Sure, the other ones you listed are way bigger, but you still didn't answer my question. Do you have any statistics on hand that show Islamic attacks outdid right extremist attacks in terms of victims in Europe in the last years?
 

CoolOff

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Eh, painting Flashback as a scary place is doing it a disservice I think. I regularly visit the education/work/film/tv/food/finance/economics parts and they're just like any large forum, some parts are even really good.

Just hide the politics section and you are a-ok.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I think it also really depends on the region you live in. Countries like Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark for example have to my knowledge no large history with terrorist attacks like the UK or Spain had. Yet with the current terrorist strikes these countries might be a target tomorrow, or in the case of Sweden, today.

Yeah, I'm not going to deny this. But the fact is that we aren't living at the sides of some islamic terorrorist vortex ready to engulf the continent.
 
The way some expert explained it earlier it's in case of shootouts between police and suspects. They don't want any civilians around if it would come to that, so the best option is to shut everything down while the perpetrator is at large.

Aaah, this makes a lot of sense. Thanks!
 

Majine

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Apparently the guy they arrested has posted ISIS videos and liked photos featuring bloody people during the Boston terror attack on his Facebook.
 

littledipster

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Apparently the guy they arrested has posted ISIS videos and liked photos featuring bloody people during the Boston terror attack on his Facebook.

Where are you seeing this? I'm running in Boston this year and my whole family is coming to cheer me on...
 

berzeli

Banned
Man it's been a long and tiring day.

Swedish PM visiting the site of the attack:
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And a slightly brighter picture from today:
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M52B28

Banned
Where are you seeing this? I'm running in Boston this year and my whole family is coming to cheer me on...
I wouldn't worry. Security​ for many events has been stepped up ever since the bombings in Boston.

Also consider that Boston alone has stepped up their security quite the amount ever since the city was in the world's spotlight.
 
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