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[Audioboxer]

No point in that, if you want to jail the person for life just have them executed. Prison is supposed to be for rehabilitation.

Some people are still lunatics even after years, if not tens of years of attempts to rehabilitate. You don't just kill them in that case. Sometimes life behind bars is the safest thing for society, and most humane way to deal with someone inhumane.

The only debate should be around how much of a danger you need to be/pose to be given life, and whether or not a life sentence at the time due to severity can be cut back if the best psychologists and other minds can aid in rewiring your brain/thoughts.

We tend to be talking about tiny percentages of people here, and no, the answer isn't just to kill them. At least not as seemingly casual as that statement you made as if all life sentences should just be executions?

 

[jiiikoo]

One of the people involved has been apprehended according to Aftonbladet!

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/8arMQ/en-man-gripen-i-norra-stockholm-sa-sig-vara-garningsman

– Vi bekräftar. En person är gripen för nån form av inblandning i det hela, säger Lars Byström, presstalesperson vid polisen, vid 20.30.
– Vi bekräftar också att tolv personer är skadade och fyra personer är döda.

 

[Funky Papa]

Things have been worse, sure. The chart shows small numbers of terrorism deaths aside from Madrid in 2004 and then giant spikes in 2015 and 2016 (which isn't pictured)

Just because things were once worse doesn't mean there hasn't been a significant uptick in the past few years.

Largely singular events followed by a lot of nothing.

Go out, have a beer, enjoy life and carry on with your day. Otherwise they have won.

 

[Benedict]

New press conference in about 15 minutes.

According to a spokesman for the Stockholm Police, Lars Byström confirms 4 dead and twelve injured. 1 arrested for involvement in the crime.

A spokesman for the hospital, Johan Bratt says 1 person has died in hospital, 15 injured, adults and children, 9 seriously wounded.

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/live/dad-i-stockholm

Swedish Prime Minister will have a press conference in about 40 minutes, 21.30 CET

 

[StormKing]

I wonder how Germany prevents incidents like this from occuring? They should share whatever they're doing with Sweden.

 

[Nevasleep]

I wonder how Germany prevents incidents like this from occuring? They should share whatever they're doing with Sweden.

After 19th December 2016?

 

[Lashley]

Pictures floating around of victims' bodies torn completely apart, be careful if you don't want to see that kind of thing.

Sadly just seen this, I hope they didn't suffer.

WTF is wrong with people photographing this though? Disgusting

 

[shira]

Rip

 

[Rösti]

The Swedish Police will hold a press conference at 21:00 local time (8 minutes from time of writing). You can follow it here: https://www.facebook.com/polisen/

Swedish Security Service will be there as well.

Source: https://polisen.se/Aktuellt/Nyheter/Gemensam-2017/April/Polisen-haller-presskonferens-/

 

[strafer]

Sadly just seen this, I hope they didn't suffer.

WTF is wrong with people photographing this though? Disgusting

Does it really surprise you? Everyone and their mother have a camera phone, taking pictures is part of human nature, I would take pictures too, to preserve and document.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Does it really surprise you? Everyone and their mother have a camera phone, taking pictures is part of human nature, I would take pictures too, to preserve and document.

Call it old-fashioned, but I think it's wrong to take and distribute pictures of dead pedestrians. Respect the innocent victims.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Largely singular events followed by a lot of nothing.

Go out, have a beer, enjoy life and carry on with your day. Otherwise they have won.

Yup

 

[Fbh]

Fuck, again?. One tends to worry about how they will get weapons or explosives but in the end all it really needs is some asshole on a vehicle.

Was there a few months ago with a friend, I even recognize the streets. Lovely city and really friendly people.

My thoughts go out to the victim and their families.

 

[Lashley]

Does it really surprise you? Everyone and their mother have a camera phone, taking pictures is part of human nature, I would take pictures too, to preserve and document.

Of a body ripped apart? Yeah, I want loads of pictures like that.

It's completely disrespectful imo, imagine a relative seeing that?

 

[chromatic9]

All of this is hyperbole. There's a bigger chance of slipping in the bathtub and killing yourself than dying in a terrorist attack.

I mean, did any of you live during the 70's and 80's? Because terrorist groups were having a field day back then across Europe.

The only difference is that islamic terrorist tend to favour mass attacks that create more casualties in a single event, but it really feels like nothing compared to the continuous dripping of shootings and car bombs we had back then. I've never felt safer.

How many in the 70s and 80s were just people gunned down in a night club, stood on a promenade, walking around a city centre and how many were somehow related to the factions of Ireland and the Basque region, politicians and soldiers outside of the Panam flight. If most are centred around two specific regions then it' s a lot different to the whole of Europe anytime anywhere.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Does it really surprise you? Everyone and their mother have a camera phone, taking pictures is part of human nature, I would take pictures too, to preserve and document.

Unless you work for the authorities or are a journalist, this is useless. Your photos are crappy, it serves no purpose and sharing it is disgusting to the relatives of the victim.

 

[Kyzer]

Of a body ripped apart? Yeah, I want loads of pictures like that.

It's completely disrespectful imo, imagine a relative seeing that?

You must hate museums? So much disrespect

 

[Lashley]

You must hate museums? So much disrespect

oooo thats me told

"Your relative's mangled corpse is all over the web"

"Oh, that's fine. For the museums."

 

[Pancake Mix]

You must hate museums? So much disrespect

You've got to be kidding me.

A coroner will document the scene.

Maybe ordinary people could not blast graphic pictures of deceased, innocent loved ones over social media? It's not like there'll be a shortage of pictures in the modern age where virtually everyone carries a camera around. Show some respect.

 

[Muffin1611]

It's like some of y'all didn't watch that Black Mirror episode.

 

[Benedict]

You must hate museums? So much disrespect

As an archaeologist and working with culture heritage I must say you have a very wrong image of how a museum works and how exhibitions are planned.
images of people and human remains are a very complex matter.
It's not as simple as you think, many ethical issues we deal with.

 

[Basketball]

Fucking savages

What's with this whole truck stuff
Terrorist love to use

 

[Frankfurter]

How many in the 70s and 80s were just people gunned down in a night club, stood on a promenade, walking around a city centre and how many were somehow related to the factions of Ireland and the Basque region, politicians and soldiers outside of the Panam flight. If most are centred around two specific regions then it' s a lot different to the whole of Europe anytime anywhere.

RAF/Germany comes to mind. I also seem to remember some deaths in Italy back in the 70s.

 

[Iriscomeback]

Some of the pictures going around.... fuck. I wish I never saw them...

I can't believe there are website posting that shit on their front pages. Have some fucking respect. :-(

 

[Lashley]

Fucking savages

What's with this whole truck stuff
Terrorist love to use

Harder to prevent

 

[Lashley]

Some of the pictures going around.... fuck. I wish I never saw them...

I can't believe there are website posting that shit on their front pages. Have some fucking respect. :-(

Yeah, it's really upsetting. I've seen the dog one and the one of the person dead

 

[Horp]

Swede here.
This is horrible.
This is the time to come together. We cant cower in fear and we cant be swallowed by anger. The best way to fight this, the most powerful weapon, is being together and accepting of each other.

 

[Audioboxer]

Some of the pictures going around.... fuck. I wish I never saw them...

I can't believe there are website posting that shit on their front pages. Have some fucking respect. :-(

I know. Here's some pictures of bodies that will still be warm, or people possibly in the process of fighting for their lives *mass retweet/post all over news sites*.

You can't stop it on twitter these days but it's incredibly distasteful when news sites do it.

 

[chromatic9]

The graph also excludes 2016

Just did a quick rough count and it's around 256 (maybe a lot more) with France having the biggest attack on its soil since WWII. These are all everyday people.

So we have 2015 and 2016 back inline with the 70s and 80s, don't think it's reason to be chipper about.

What also seems to be omitted when people claim you're more likely to fall of a ladder so don't concern yourself with terrorist attacks and Islamic extremists is the amount that get stopped and the billions spent, it's a huge undertaking every minute.

 

[Benedict]

Yeah, it's really upsetting. I've seen the dog one and the one of the person ripped in half.

please don't describe the pics...

 

[Funky Papa]

How many in the 70s and 80s were just people gunned down in a night club, stood on a promenade, walking around a city centre and how many were somehow related to the factions of Ireland and the Basque region, politicians and soldiers outside of the Panam flight. If most are centred around two specific regions then it' s a lot different to the whole of Europe anytime anywhere.

Germany and Italy also had to deal with their own terrorist groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Cells_(German_group)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)

 

[amanset]

Right. We've been drinking in the office and playing Rocket League. Now going to go and see if anywhere is open to get food and/or go home.

This could take some time.

 

[| Praxis |]

Fucking savages

What's with this whole truck stuff
Terrorist love to use

Easy to get, takes little planning and hard to defend against. Became popular in Israel.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

Largely singular events followed by a lot of nothing.

Go out, have a beer, enjoy life and carry on with your day. Otherwise they have won.

This. Can't wait to go back shopping in Stockholm soon. Great city aside from it being a bit too crowded for my tastes every once in a while.

 

[lazygecko]

Just got back home after spending a 3 hour walk getting out of the city. I was contemplating not going to work today due to not feeling well but eventually decided against it, which I regret now. And my legs are probably going to regret it even more after waking up tomorrow.

 

[Paganmoon]

Largely singular events followed by a lot of nothing.

Go out, have a beer, enjoy life and carry on with your day. Otherwise they have won.

I'm about a 100 meters from where it happened, in a hotel after my train was canceled, having a beer.

Still feels like these fuckers are winning. Everything just feels slowed down, even the cars on Sveavägen seem to move slower than usual.

Then again, someone just walked by with dancing steps, so anything can happen I suppose.

 

[Audioboxer]

Right. We've been drinking in the office and playing Rocket League. Now going to go and see if anywhere is open to get food and/or go home.

This could take some time.

Driving home or public transport? Public transport might be restricted.

On another note I didn't know Swedish-GAF was so populated. There's literally dozens of you.

 

[protomouse]

Press conference is starting.

 

[Liljagare]

Nice to see the calm, instead the wild calling for blood.


Still alot of posts on FB of people offering help, now people volunteer to drive folks home whom might have missed connections.

 

[kinoki]

Driving home or public transport? Public transport might be restricted.

On another note I didn't know Swedish-GAF was so populated. There's literally dozens of you.

Public transport is operational.

 

[Paganmoon]

Public transport is operational.

Minus the central station if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Liljagare]

Public transport is operational.

But again, suggested to find other means of transport, and nobody is recommended to go into central Stockholm.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

I'm a bit confused by these security lockdowns. Do these attacks tend to happen as a chain of events or is this just standard procedure regardless of actual follow-up threat levels?

 

[CoolOff]

Minus the central station if I'm not mistaken.

Just went through it with subway, the commuter trains might still be standing though. Had some great beer and pizza with some friends just now, fuck the terrorists, rest in peace to the victims.

 

[830920]

I'm a bit confused by these security lockdowns. Do these attacks tend to happen as a chain of events or is this just standard procedure regardless of actual follow-up threat levels?

The way some expert explained it earlier it's in case of shootouts between police and suspects. They don't want any civilians around if it would come to that, so the best option is to shut everything down while the perpetrator is at large.

 

[kinoki]

Minus the central station if I'm not mistaken.

But again, suggested to find other means of transport, and nobody is recommended to go into central Stockholm.

Yea. The two most central stations are closed down.

Right now everything is closed and the police needs to do their job. So let them. Keep away if possible.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Obviously don't feel bad about using public transport if that's the best way for you to get home.

 

[spuckthew]

This is some really scary shit. First Nice, then London, and now Stockholm. You can ban all the weapons you want (or make them incredibly hard to obtain), but a normal vehicle? You can't pre-empt that shit and you can still cause massive damage and loss of life. I mean, being realistic, it's still less scary than a couple of guys mowing down people in a nightclub with assault rifles (for example), but cars and trucks are infinitely more accessible and it could just seemingly happen out of the blue.

RIP to the victims.

 

[eot]

Driving home or public transport? Public transport might be restricted.

On another note I didn't know Swedish-GAF was so populated. There's literally dozens of you.

Swedes seem to be disproportionally represented online.

 

[Tovarisc]

Obviously don't feel bad about using public transport if that's the best way for you to get home.

You say that like using public transpory is something to be ashamed about