Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (to...Hey guys, I found it!)
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Napoleonthechimp
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Their acting performance stood out in the episode, and I mean that in the worst sense of the word.
Hours Left
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Yeah, I didn't want to get into the other stuff, but it's pretty brutal.
I really hope he's gonna stay pretty hands off in this. Besides the one quote, he's never mentioned again in the Jed & Maurissa interview, so I'm hoping there were just name dropping to save face.
Red Arremer
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Yeah, Loeb is one of those people who is ruining the comic industry. He wrote a couple of decent Batman books and suddenly is glorified into oblivion by the industry, although the customers hate whatever he touches.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Loeb's obsession with spectacle is a nightmare.
The canceling of EMH was unforgivable to me. The reasoning was even worse. "To make it more in line with the movies."
EMH was already pretty in line with the movies. All you had to do was add The Falcon and change Hawkguy's costume. Instead, they canceled it to make a lesser version of the same show with worse animation and designs and changed Iron Man's voice over, who has been RDJ's official voice actor since 2008. You want to make it more in line with the movies, but you get rid of the guy that sounds just like RDJ?
EMH was already pretty in line with the movies. All you had to do was add The Falcon and change Hawkguy's costume. Instead, they canceled it to make a lesser version of the same show with worse animation and designs and changed Iron Man's voice over, who has been RDJ's official voice actor since 2008. You want to make it more in line with the movies, but you get rid of the guy that sounds just like RDJ?
Aye.
It doesn't help how they keep jumping around the world either. They need to stick to one location and start introducing some awesome mysteries or threads. The Smoke Monster in Lost really got people's interest in the starting episodes, AOS needs its equivient.
Screw the smoke monster, I was curious about a polar bear on a tropical island.
This episode had absolutely nothing to do with Thor 2.
What I remember of the episode: "I know Thor. Do you want to meet Thor? Have I already said I know Thor?"
SquiddyCracker
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Now that I think about it, I'm not sure why I'm even watching this show.
... what the hell is it even about?
Why Coulson went to Tahiti?
... what the hell is it even about?
Why Coulson went to Tahiti?
Escape Goat
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I'm not sure why I'm watching either. if it wasn't a marvel comics related show I'd have dropped it after episode 1.
I also remember the Portland reference!
GuitarAtomik
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I'm still amazed people think this will ever be a show about superheroes. It's not. It's called Agents of SHIELD. They will occasionally deal with them directly, but mostly they will be dealing with the cleanup after and large criminal organizations. That is what SHIELD does or more specifically what a small team in SHIELD would mostly be doing. Unfortunately they can't really do the more epic version of a SHIELD show that I'm pretty sure we'd all rather be watching because then we'd legitimately have to ask "Where are the Avengers?" "Where is Nick Fury?". It sucks but that's the constraints they're working with. It's up to them to make that work since it still could.
I say this all as someone who is a huge Marvel fanboy and thinks this show is just "OK".
What? Heroes did everything in it's power to NOT show most of the expensive power stuff. Remember the final battle of the first season between two multi-powered dudes that was basically a fist fight? Remember that epic battle in the dark future between Peter and someone else that happened entirely behind a closed door. Remember that other battle where one of the characters died that also happened entirely behind a closed door.
I say this all as someone who is a huge Marvel fanboy and thinks this show is just "OK".
What? Heroes did everything in it's power to NOT show most of the expensive power stuff. Remember the final battle of the first season between two multi-powered dudes that was basically a fist fight? Remember that epic battle in the dark future between Peter and someone else that happened entirely behind a closed door. Remember that other battle where one of the characters died that also happened entirely behind a closed door.
Escape Goat
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I don't think anyone wanted the show to be about superheroes. The agents in the Agents of SHIELD are boring. Everything rings false for me. The lighting makes the show look like its lit by a guy they hired off some sitcom. The actors aren't convincing in their roles except for Coulson and maybe Mei. I wish they would make the show a little more grounded in how it is presented. Its too fresh and hip and fun for the whole family for its own good.
Dance Inferno
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Caught up on the last two episode...man, this show is pretty shitty huh.
To clarify I do like the main cast a lot, but the plot lines are just dull as dishwater.
To clarify I do like the main cast a lot, but the plot lines are just dull as dishwater.
Indeed. This could've been Fringe in MCU, instead we get a show that tries really hard at convincing us they're in the MCU and by doing so, forgetting to actually make some sense.
The show cannot stand on it's own yet. That's it's biggest flaw. Take away the MCU and you're left with a show that would've been canceled since day one. I'm still watching, just because of the MCU.
Exactly, so it's perfectly possible to work around a TV budget and still have some superhero related stuff.
It's like when Game of Thrones knocked out Tyrion to avoid shooting a battlefield scene with hundreds of extras. Or showing the aftermath of a battle by having it be talked about by Robb and Catelyn instead of actually showing the battle. Sure, you might consider it a cop-out, but that's a whole lot better than just changing the show premise to be as boring as possible and ignore the whole mythology of the universe the show takes place in.
Byakuya769
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I enjoyed the last three episodes or so. Hope they keep it up.
Back in august. Ahoy
EDIT: Holy crap she's 49!
Ming Na fans should check out the sex scene she did with Wesley Snipes.
Snipes: Shh, you'll wake the kids.
Ming Na: FUCK THE KIDS, I'M CUMMING!
What.
Edit: Looks like its from One Night Stand, a movie that also had RDJ in it. Huh, the more you know.
I was disappointed that Hiro didn't essentially turn into Dio Brando when he was so supposedly obsessed with him. We could have had all these time stop shenanigans, but no, TV budgets got in the way of that.
phazedplasma
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And the complete lack of any effort in set design.
GuitarAtomik
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You can go back 2 pages and see someone wanting this to be about superheroes. There's at least one or two that mention it after every episode. Other than the fact that I'm enjoying most of the characters more than other people, I pretty much agree with everything else you said.
No, those were examples of how they didn't have the budget to properly show superheroes. Your GoT example is a good example of saving money but GoT is an EXPENSIVE show and that episode also includes
a pretty huge ship battle with explosions
And that's exactly why it wont last. It doesn't have the writting chops to get away with not being a superhero show. Maybe they should call in writers from ncis. I'm not kidding.
And FYI, heroes looked way more expensive than this show. pathetic.
Hereoes had the opportunity to do something massive. They should have cut the entire first season cast except the company guys but you know, tv shenanigans. The first season is still one of the best seasons of TV ever.
GuitarAtomik
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I agree. There's a way to make this work, but whatever that is, they're not really doing it right now.
Almost every show does right now and it baffles me. I don't know if it's a budget issue or the intended style, but when I watch a show like Almost Human and it practically looks like a movie with a modest budget, or Arrow which at least has a good sense of style and direction, I wonder what the fuck is going on at ABC with one of their most important shows on TV right now.
You would think a show based on one of the most successful movie franchises would carry some weight but nope. Looks like they were going for maximum profit.
Heck, lets take a look at the casting for a minute. The movies went outside the box and casted people like RDJ and Samuel L jackson who weren't known for things in this particular genre. Why wouldn't the tv agent's of shield do the same? Besides the casting of coulison(right move) and probably may, the casting choices here are just dumb insane for such a Low risk, high reward show. I don't know man.
dead souls
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I've been down on the actors on this show but I think this is fair. It's really hard to tell how good/bad an actor is when the material they're given to work with is so terrible.
Agreed on both counts. I'm constantly amazed that the fluffy procedural I watch (Bones) has better writing in its ninth season than SHIELD has managed so far.
Numerous genre shows looked significantly better than this show, even some on channels like SyFy, so you know it's not a budget issue since those shows do more with less.
Honestly, i'm buffled how they keep up having different crimes every week for almost a decade. Each being it's own puzzle and situations. Really an underrated feat from network tele.
Heroes didn't have to deal with the scope of being a SHIELD show. I would be prohibitively expensive to do both unless some characters just had some lame powers that left people unsatisfied anyway, and Heroes had lame fights and went out of its way to not show powers as much as it could.
Tim the Wiz
Banned
That's a good comparison, actually. W13 is okay but not something I'd watch beyond catching a repeat on (ugh) SyFy. Procedural shows generally do nothing for me though.
That crap was really annoying. They actually had a good opportunity to tie it into Thor 2 as well and they didn't take it. By that I mean
the portals that were opening during the final battle of the film They could have easily used that as an excuse to have items and/or people from other realms falling to or being pulled to Earth.
Am i really the only one who noticed the cinematography and lighting was so much better in the prologue and kinda taken aback by the switch to norway. No one seems to have mentioned it
Ignis Fatuus
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Does Joss actually do anything on this show?
Serious question.
Serious question.
BlackNMild2k1
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Am i really the only one who noticed the cinematography and lighting was so much better in the prologue and kinda taken aback by the switch to norway. No one seems to have mentioned it
Actually it was mentioned earlier
And as far as tie ins, there was also the
ice beast that was left chasing birds at the end of Thor 2.
fallengorn
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No. He helped write the pilot and maybe parts of the second episode. He's too busy working Avengers 2 at this point.
Looks like we've finally got some returning guest stars on the 10th December!
J August Richards as Mike Peterson and Ruth Negga as Raina will be back for 'The Bridge'.
http://marvel.com/news/story/21555/declassifying_marvels_agents_of_shield_the_bridge
J August Richards as Mike Peterson and Ruth Negga as Raina will be back for 'The Bridge'.
http://marvel.com/news/story/21555/declassifying_marvels_agents_of_shield_the_bridge
Father_Brain
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Well, given my (and many others') criticism of how the show has handled its serialized elements to date, that at least sounds quite promising. Here's hoping.
Wish the same could be said for next week's, though... two bottle episodes less than halfway through the season? Oy.
Fred Norris
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Good Lord. I've finally resigned myself to the fact that this isn't going to get much better. They need to fire Loeb pronto if they want any hope of salvaging this show.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Jeph Loeb does not believe in overarching plots. He so utterly against it. He is in charge of Marvel tv, not just animation as we first feared.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Not sure the specifics, but he said in an interview he is in charge of all Marvel tv. Its why he could only last five issues on the tribute comic to his son.wait, is he overseeing all those Netflix shows?
I read the last two pages of the thread and I'm afraid from Tuesday night. What happened to this thread? It sounds like GAF is cancelling the show for good.
That's a bit of what I posted about the previous episode. So this was the Ward episode and once you cut out any expectations of Thor, it was pretty decent. It made Ward a bit more likeable, and it felt like what an average Shield episode should be. Mystery, a bit of stakes, and a character or two at the forefront of the plot that's trying to be better. If they keep with this momentum then they're going to have an episode about the Calvary next, and save Coulson for a little bit later.
My main complaint: the dialogue. Instead of a bit here or there, almost every character had a line that felt a bit too... chummy. Like when they figure out where to find the second staff piece and Coulson says "...let's dig in. See what I did there?" I think it the delivery bothers me less than the lack of character reaction since the lines were mostly used to punctuate scenes. Or maybe it is just the delivery. The characters managed to deliver them believably, as in if they were going to say that then that's exactly how they would say that, but it doesn't quite feel like something they'd normally say.
But overall, I liked the episode. It kept the average up.
That's a bit of what I posted about the previous episode. So this was the Ward episode and once you cut out any expectations of Thor, it was pretty decent. It made Ward a bit more likeable, and it felt like what an average Shield episode should be. Mystery, a bit of stakes, and a character or two at the forefront of the plot that's trying to be better. If they keep with this momentum then they're going to have an episode about the Calvary next, and save Coulson for a little bit later.
My main complaint: the dialogue. Instead of a bit here or there, almost every character had a line that felt a bit too... chummy. Like when they figure out where to find the second staff piece and Coulson says "...let's dig in. See what I did there?" I think it the delivery bothers me less than the lack of character reaction since the lines were mostly used to punctuate scenes. Or maybe it is just the delivery. The characters managed to deliver them believably, as in if they were going to say that then that's exactly how they would say that, but it doesn't quite feel like something they'd normally say.
But overall, I liked the episode. It kept the average up.
That man...I wish someone in the comics industry would have the balls to call him out on his shit. He is completely clueless as to why overarching plots are excellent, and flat-out lied to fans about Assemble being a sequel to EMH, and having a bigger budget. If Mark Waid leaves Marvel he needs to tear Loeb a new one.
#Chris Yost for Marvel TV President #BringBackEarth'sMightiestHeroes
As a Marvel fan you should know there are no straight SHIELD stories. Everything involves powers to some extent. Maybe some of the grittier Black Widow or Fury stories are straight spy caper. But the main characters are still established characters doing SHIELD missions. Not grunts doing grunt stuff. So I'm not sure why Whedon/Marvel thought doing this show was a good idea with no powers, no magic, no monsters and no heroes.
This is coming from a huge Marvel fanboy. There are now three network shows doing comics-style stories better than SHIELD.
A lot of fans feel Loeb gets a pass on everything at Marvel because of his son. Its kind of a shitty thing to say. But I really don't understand how he keeps getting work over there.
Auron_Kale
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Was an interesting tie-in to Thor 2, though I still enjoyed the ep. For me, it keeps improving as the series moves along so I'm looking forward to every new episode being put out.
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